theGman

  To that I would only say that, regardless of whether he himself will change his views, the discussion is public and a public discussion of opposing views is, in my opinion, a good thing.

  Would you rather he disappeared over to an AfD forum? If Brexit/Trump/Covid has taught me anything it's that everyone living in their own bubble and not exploring/soundboarding outside of their own circle is dangerous. I'd rather he hang out here where we immigrants can try to educate him on life as an immigrant in Germany.   I wouldn't say he is being accepted here. He is being shouted down to on a very regular basis. I would be uncomfortable with shutting down discourse completely.

OK, I'm guilty of pouring scorn on Jeba but I welcome the dialogue. For what it's worth, in my opinion, Jeba is not a troll (unlike other recent members). He has his beliefs and shares them. I may disagree with him on many things but I defend his right to say it. It's a slightly odd forum to be expressing these type of views but he's hardly alone in the world having these views (think Brexit).   I said that he was saying the quiet part out loud and I meant it. In the dark, primitive areas of my brain I probably hold some similar views. Hell, when I was a kid, reading the bible in school assemblies surrounded by other middle class white kids, I definitely entertained prejudiced thoughts.

  For me this is very much the quiet part out loud. I mean, fuck me. "They" can come over here, plough our fields, stack our shelves, pay taxes and pay into my pension coffers but screw them if "they" want to vote.   Racist much? Every heard of the phrase "taxation without representation"?   It'd be bad enough to hear this from a "local", but hearing this from a guy currently living in a foreign country...posting on an expat forum...

  Yea, I have to say, I think otherwise. This for me is the first Brexit positive I have seen. Sure, one has to be very careful, but GE (we are not talking GM) crops are well worth looking into. Climate change and an ever increasing population means we need to be exploring and exploiting any tools we have available to better nourish ourselves and protect the planet. We need to be open to anything that can produce crops that require less chemical pesticide, are more nutritious, less subject to damage etc etc. And we need to be doing it yesterday. In this regard, the EU can definitely be too cautious and slow moving at times.

  Ah, then yea, definitely German then too. Same as my kid.

   

  It's not logical to me. I have many family members with dual citizenship (some with three). A bit of googling would leave me to believe that Germany is one of only a few western countries where this is the case.

  Sorry, I should have made myself clearer. I understand the rules and how they were applied to myself and the other cases on here.   My point was that it was discussed in the Brexit Einbürgerung threads and I was led to believe that, after the Nazis treatment of peoples citizenship's, that it was enshrined in German law somewhere that citizenship couldn't be removed. I was clearly wrong on this. Apparently, on a daily basis, the state is stripping Germans around the world of their citizenship (often without the person even knowing). Protection of German citizenship is not as sacrosanct as I once thought. So what's to stop it being stripped from me at some point in the future? Only needs a small tweak of the existing laws. My status as a German citizen seems suddenly a bit more vulnerable to me than it did this time yesterday.   I didn't realise that when we were all rushing to get citizenship before Brexit happened that Germans on the UK side were rushing to do the same.

  Now I remember where my belief came from. Exactly this. What's to stop Germany stripping me of my citizenship now that the UK has left the EU?

  OK. Above you wrote "apply" in bold so I assumed you explicitly meant that the act of applying was enough to potentially lose German citizenship. It makes sense you can only lose it once another citizenship has been received.   Still, mental. Funny Germans.

Mental. I thought I'd heard here several times that once you got it you were safe. Especially in reference to the whole Shamima Begum debacle. I thought it was part of German law or some such shit.     Wouldn't that leave someone potentially stateless?

  Well, just to be clear, once you have German citizenship, they cannot take it away from you. If you go on to collect multiple citizenship around the world afterwards, they cannot stop you. The only thing they can do is withhold giving you citizenship in the first place.

  No formal letter. We just brought it up friendly but clearly in the email exchange we were having. I find it (sometimes) helps when dealing with Germans to not ask questions or solicit a response. We were apologetic and all that but we simply stated that legally, he was not allowed to keep out kaution that long and that he should transfer it to us immediately (and provided our bank details again). Not a question. Just a statement of something he must do.   I dunno, just wondered if it was worth trying before getting a lawyer involved.

  We had something similar in our last place and did exactly this. Our landlord said he was still waiting for the nebenkostenabrechnung and some other quote or other, but we just said that's his problem. We said give us our money back according to BGB 548 and if and when the time comes that he needs some money back then he can approach us then. He transferred the money to us and we never heard form him again.