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  1. Brexit: The fallout

    That greased piglet talk is not figurative. It's some fcuking Eton thing I'm sure.
  2. Brexit: The fallout

    No worries John. Take care of that eye!
  3. Brexit: The fallout

    From Twitter:Tory strategy "The forest was shrinking, but the trees kept voting for the Axe, for the Axe was clever and convinced the Trees that because his handle was made of wood, he was one of them."
  4. Brexit: The fallout

    The fact we speak English as does someone in Bumfuck Alabama does not make us culturally closer to the Bumfuckian than the Frankfurter who probably speaks better English than the Bumfuckian.   Europe shares the important things like seeing the need for a social welfare system to provide a safety net for those unfortunate enough to need it. We don't let people die young because they couldn't afford healthcare. We typically don't believe in your right to carry a handgun around in your sock. We are culturally much more alike (and that includes our British friends!) in the EU than you may realise. Culture goes way beyond a superficial thing like language.   As for your second point...well it seems you think people should be free to voice racist opinions under the guise of freedom of speech. Racism isn't unorthodox. It's wrong.
  5. Brexit: The fallout

    If I looked in the dictionary for the definition of appalling person I wouldn't be surprised to see a picture of frogface himself there.
  6. Brexit: The fallout

    If the DUP abstain they can claim they didn't support the deal. Then Johnson has a real chance of getting this through. If there's another bung for the DUP then it could be all over...until the FTA negotiations begin. They will take many years IMO. I will be amazed if there is no extension to the transition period requested/granted.
  7. Brexit: The fallout

    What does it matter what the satisfaction rating is based on? In reality it's based on multiple factors. Ireland has a long connection with continental Europe going back centuries. Why do you think so many Bavarian kids are called Killian? Irish monks went over to Europe to spread Christianity (and knowledge) during the dark ages after the fall of Rome: -   The Irish are much more politically engaged than very many in the EU! Just turn on the radio during the day time in Ireland and Germany and compare the amount of political discussion v music in both countries. Martin Schulz' comments were widely reported in Ireland. I distinctly remember it in fact. There has been significant public debate in Ireland about "where Europe is going" because we have had so many referendums on European integration!   I think you are exaggerating the level of anti-Eastern European sentiment (racism) in Ireland but I accept it is there and vigilance is important to see that it is contained. There is no place for it and the Irish should know better than most about what it feels like to be discriminated against!  
  8. Brexit: The fallout

    It's worse than May's deal from a remainer perspective for sure, much worse. If I was an ERG type though I might see Brexit itself slipping away and might be motivated to vote for this just to get the UK out of the EU and then regroup later. The ERG are looking like voting for it (bar perhaps one or two extreme extremists like Owen Patterson).   It looks like it's going to be closer than I first assumed however. Labour are clearly worried about defections as they have introduced a three line whip on the matter and apparently anyone voting for it will face deselection. There are however still some Labour leave constituencies according to polling so those MPs will face a Hobson's choice.
  9. Brexit: The fallout

    On the whole it's what Ireland wanted out of the negotiations if Brexit had to happen at all. Border in the Irish sea effectively. Land border remains invisible.   We have no right to look for any more than these things from the UK. What GB does is none of our business. NI is different going back to the Anglo Irish Agreement and of course the GFA.   Clearly Ireland would have preferred May's deal. Johnson's means a hard Brexit for GB which is projected to cause almost as much damage as no deal to the UK economy, which will clearly have knock on effects on Ireland.   I don't see how Johnson gets it through the HoC though.
  10. Brexit: The fallout

    There are tens of thousands of "poor expats" in Spain who managed to make a better life on the costas as their sterling pension went further. Those people will have no choice but to return home as inflation eats into their (now weak and in future also frozen) pensions.
  11. Brexit: The fallout

    Sorry not quoting you just need to clear the quote.   We are close to the original proposal from the EU just about 2 years ago. But this is a hard old Brexit for GB. Hard to imagine a deal much harder than May's will get through the HoC.
  12. Brexit: The fallout

    The remain campaign was indeed utterly pathetic. It's like it was taboo to actually praise the EU for its achievements. Everything was phrased in the context of trade and markets on the remain side. The leave side appealed to abstract feelings like sovereignty. The remain side should have been much more positive about the spirit of the EU and about being part of Europe for hundreds of years.   The leaders of the remain side were of course Messrs. Cameron and Corbyn who are both self confessed eurosceptics so I'd argue the good ship Remain was holed below the waterline before it even left port. It's only now we are seeing more impassioned language about the UK's place in the EU.
  13. Brexit: The fallout

    The leave campaign presented a Brexit for all seasons so nobody knows the exact breakdown of reasons for voting to leave. For sure a good chunk of leave voters don't like foreigners and don't like FoM but not all and definitely a minority of the British population as a whole.   I think anti Eastern European sentiment in Ireland is confined to a small minority of the kind of people who never work and complain about the foreigners taking their jobs and benefits all at the same time.   Satisfaction with Ireland's membership of the EU remains stubbornly high for the handful of Eurosceptics there. It's consistently at around 90%. 
  14. Brexit: The fallout

    The last Eurobarometer says you are simply completely wrong about this:   FoM is very popular and even in the UK it has a 63% popularity rating.
  15. Brexit: The fallout

    We'll agree to disagree. I believe most Europeans value our freedom of movement. I hear the stories of hassle my non-EU colleagues have getting their work permits and thank my lucky stars I'm an EU citizen.    The UK is going to be the odd man out in western Europe. Even non member states will have continued freedom of movement for their people. Only well educated and skilled Brits will be able to live and work in the EU. The "lower classes" will be trapped on their island. They will not experience life in the rest of Europe.
  16. Brexit: The fallout

    Like I said I don't have a problem with your opinions. I have a problem with repeating long since debunked stuff about the EU that simply isn't true.   I find you a hypocrite for the way you make full use of the freedom of movement you despise. You must admit this is hypocritical behaviour if this is really true.   Also I find it odd that as a nationalist from Ireland that you consider Ireland to have already won its independence. Any Irish nationalist I've ever come across would say the "occupied 6" say otherwise ;-)   Me personally I have no problem with the current constitutional position of NI.
  17. Brexit: The fallout

    Conservatism is fine. It's the re-iterating of long since debunked nonsense about the EU that irks.
  18. Brexit: The fallout

    Nope. Is the PM directly elected by the entire British electorate? What about the cabinet? They are "elected" by one constituency and most cabinet members are in totally safe seats which means in fact that their local party association are the only people making any decision as to them becoming MPs. Then the PM who is in the same position (safe seat) chooses the cabinet.   The European Commission is chosen by the President of the Commission BUT each commissioner must be approved by the EU Parliament! This is far far far more democratic than most equivalent national parliaments where the equivalent of the commission (the cabinet) does not have to be approved by the parliament itself.   The Commission can only propose legislation which they think will pass through EUparl too!   You are reading too much Daily Express and believing the lies contained therein.
  19. Brexit: The fallout

    BMurphy your argument seems to be that Brits can't trust their government more than anything against the EU. You could just as easily argue that post Brexit British governments could force people into a domestic army or indeed into all sorts of things they might hate but Brexit Britain will have withdrawn from the ECHR if the Tory right wingers get their way so there will be no higher court to appeal to.
  20. Brexit: The fallout

    Huh? Most EU states don't even have national service anymore! The EU will not conscript people into some vast standing army. If an EU army is ever formed (and I would prefer it if EU countries did have a common army but I understand that's not a widely held view) and the EU is ever at war it will not be thousands of infantry battalions going into trenches somewhere. Modern warfare needs far fewer actual people.   An EU army would mean vast sums of money being saved as we'd have standard equipment across the union. The cost of defence to individual states should tumble. I make no apologies either for wishing for the EU to be able to defend itself. I'm afraid our American cousins can't be trusted not to elect complete nutcases to the office of POTUS so blindly relying on NATO is unwise.
  21. Brexit: The fallout

    If Spain left and Catalonia made a UDI I suspect the EU would support the Catalans as Spain would no longer be a member state with which the EU would need to show solidarity.    This is similar to how I expect Scotland to be treated in the event it becomes independent and seeks re-entry into the EU if the UK has left.   Gibraltar is kind of neither here nor there. When Spain applied for EEC membership the EEC required Spain to open the land frontier as desired by the existing member, the UK.
  22. Brexit: The fallout

    The United Kingdom is quite simply a special case. Ireland would have the same problem if it was the other way around. Northern Ireland is unique in the EU.   If Hungary or Spain or the Netherlands voted to leave it would be done and dusted by now.    Hard Brexit is incompatible with the United Kingdom's obligations on the island of Ireland. The United Kingdom could nevertheless opt for hard Brexit and there's nothing the EU could do about it but it would not reward the UK with any sort of trade deal. 
  23. Brexit: The fallout

    The dogs in the street also knew that the government which called the referendum and which campaigned for a yes vote was at the time deeply unpopular due to austerity.   In the UK referendums are always advisory, no matter what the government calling one says. The parliament that sanctions a referendum can't bind a subsequent parliament to pay any heed to it. It's how the UK system works.   In Ireland it's totally different because our referendums are always about amending, deleting or inserting specific text in the constitution. We don't have advisory referendums. They always compel the constitution to be modified in some way. They cannot legally be ignored.   If a change in the constitution is to be followed by legislation to enable something or prohibit something then there is a public dialogue and the draft legislation is presented to the electorate before the referendum on the constitutional amendment. For example with abortion. It was not enough to simply remove the effective ban in the constitution. The electorate would likely not have sanctioned that without knowing what the legislation was going to look like afterwards.
  24. Brexit: The fallout

    Nissan have been much more forthright in their recent statement. If Brexit happens and there's a 10% tariff on their cars being exported to the EU then that whole business model collapses. The margins aren't there. Nissan would be losing 5% on every car sold unless they simply jacked the prices up to compensate but a Nissan is easily substitutable. It is a commodity product. Nissan Sunderland will close if there is a hard Brexit.
  25. Brexit: The fallout

    People protest against every election at the next one insofar as they campaign for the losing side from the last one.   Brexit has not turned out the way it was promised so why on earth is there such a big problem asking the people again?   If we applied your logic to Ireland, divorce which was banned in the 1937 constitution and which the people refused to legalise in the 1986 referendum would still be illegal today because it was the will of the people in 1986. Except by 1995 the people had changed their minds and voted to remove the constitutional ban on divorce.    Similarly with abortion being made illegal in the constitution and legalised again in 1983 and 2018 respectively.