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    ...and you will probably need the guest's passport number (international passport, not internal passport).

    Well, yes maybe. It really depends on the mood of the person in charge. We did Verpflichtungserklärung for a number of times for my relatives in Russia and I didn't have any idea about their passport numbers. As matter of fact sometimes the spelling of the name differ in the Verpflichtungserklärung and in their passports as well e.g. Natalia Nataliya Natalya etc. For some people it was a problem, for us not, probably we were just lucky.



    (international passport, not internal passport).

    jg, you scare Pepper to death with all these complicated details. :D Tell him now that if somebody ask his guest in German embassy for the level of income, the person should say real numbers, not those on the payroll slip.


  2. Pepper, you need to go to KVR at Poccistrasse and ask for Verpflichtungserklärung. Take your payroll slips for last three months and memorise the name, date of birth and address of the guest. It cost 25 euros and you'll spend more time finding the right room than actually making it.


  3. persik, you are actually moving to Berlin, aren't you? What a change. :o



    That may be too much at 8-10 am? But may be not we'll see...May be a currywurst once we are in berlin...

    Currywurst in Berlin is an utter shite, buy them döner - proper Berlin food, cost 1,99€. Best fast food I've ever had.


    Semmeln are called Schrippe in Berlin by the way. B)



    Welcome to Germany. The work ethic here is "The pen falls at five."



    off topic


    BD, weren't you just recently in Washington DC? Or is some other BadDoggie?



    Yes, we were considering that, but munich's wait-a-minute weather makes me nervous.

    I'd recommend a biergarten as well. We watched a game today at Nockherberg, really nice, not overcrowded, but it's far from Theresienstrasse. Have you checked the list of places where you can watch the games? If the weather sucks you can go inside, and the Wirtshauses have usually high ceilings, so smoking is not so disturbing.


    Max Emanuel is not far from The Readery.





    Natalia, you are misunderstanding Allershausen's point. His point is that many people are perfectly bilingual, he used the Turkish population as an example.

    And my point is that perfectly bilingual has a different definition depending on when you talk to me and when you talk to Allershausen.



    Bilingualism isn't really anything special these days, I'd even say that it's starting to be expected if you want to get a decent job, it certainly isn't indicative of intelligence

    In my opinion bilingualism is always special, though not so rare nowadays, don't mix it with knowledge of foreign languages, which indeed is expected when applying for many positions.



    No, you've missed the point entirely, I wasn't running Turkish kids down at all.

    Oh really, then I indeed misunderstood this statement of yours:



    Really, so all these turkish kids running around Munich are all above average intelligence are they?


    but my point is that you are making your statement that bi-lingulism, is that a word?, is a some sort of sign of intelligence whereas for a lot of people it is the norm.

    I think there is a difference between what I mean by bilingualism, and what you understand as bilingualism.


    What I mean is when a child has fully developed more than one mother tongue abilities, including all areas of language expertise: understanding, speaking, reading, writing, we can call him bi (multi)lingual. Yes I think that children with well developed two or more mother tongues learn other subjects in school also easier, which can be considered as a sign of above average intelligence.


    Whether it is a norm or not for multilingual families is in my opinion irrelevant to the matter. For me personally it is a norm, that my kids have more than one language as their mother tongue, whereas for other people it sounds amazing only when I start to count languages used in our family.


  8. Interesting point, which might turn the whole discussion.


    I don't know who you're refering to by all these turkish kids, but I assume you mean kids, similar to pupils of sadly known Rütli-Schule, asocial, aggressive, rude etc. etc.


    I don't know many of Turkish people, and none of those I know is of school age, so I can't say for sure, whether ALL children of Turkish origin are above average intelligence, but I do think that if they are trully bilingual the chances that they are very bright are high.


    Bilingualism is though rather complicated to define. It should never be taken for granted, that if one or both parents are foreigners, the child will be bilingual. Language ability should be developed, actually it is pretty hard work, which require devotion. I've always said that bringing up bilingual child is like a full-time job. In order to become fully bilingual the child has to read A LOT, his parent has to spend a lot ot time with him, they have to visit their relatives in foreign countries and do many other things, which require A LOT of efforts from their parents.


    Now, I don't think that children with behavior problems, regardless of whether they are mono- or multilingual spend much time with their parents and seriously doubt that they read anything in any of the language(s) they know.


    So coming back to foreign kids with the behavior problems, I'd call them half-lingual, who can't speak properly neither mother tongue of their parents nor dominating language of the country they live in. Again, I don't talk about Turkish youngsters, because I haven't ever talked to any of them, but I did have couple of times a conversation with teenagers of Russian origin in Germany and can say you that their knowledge of Russian is just enough to realise how poor it is, and I'm afraid it makes them even more frustrated, which leads to even more problems.


  9. I LOVE bowling. I was waiting for the thread like this for ages. I prefer Isarbowling, but any place would go actually though not today, has to work in evening and not tomorrow, becuase I'm going BOWLING with Russians tomorrow, want ot join us?


  10. It's normal, don't worry, some children do it later. You should make him spend more time with other children, that he'd really need to talk. He doesn't need to talk to you, becuase you know even without words what he wants and needs.


    My older son was late with talking. At the age of 2,5 he was saying just few words in two languages, but he started to talk a lot after he got to kindergarten at 2 years and 10 months.