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In our case it's relatively expensive (ca. 250EUR pro qm) hence why we're trying to get a loan.   We're told the high cost is a consequence of the building sale price being way above what the Genossenschaft, and the Stiftung that stands behind it, would usually seek to pay.    The whole process and the status of the Anteile is actually a bit involved, and while I believe I understand the gist (we'll pay a Pflichtanteil which is effectively just the Kaution, at the kind of amount you'd expect, and then on top we pay the big Anteil, which we get back if we move out) there are more details that I'm concerned I would mess up in trying to explain.   In a commercial setting, the suggestion you make (basically, securing the loan with the Anteil) would likely be the smart solution, but unfortunately given the context and the values we're talking here I doubt the bank nor the Genossenschaft will want to get involved with any sort of contractual structure that deviates from the norm.

Really, there is nowhere one can go on the internet without encountering people's simplistic political opinions. We truly live in an age of idiocy.

Has anyone had a successful experience of applying for KfW support to buy a Genossenschaftsanteil?   I live in an apartment block that's being sold. It's located in a Milieuschutzgebiet so an interested Genossenschaft can with our consent take over the purchase, thus giving us security of tenure. Happily we have found such a Genossenschaft. We need to fund part of the purchase through buying Genossenschaftsanteile. We want to make this happen, albeit a few of us would need credit to afford it. That's where KfW come in: they provide "Nr. 134 KfW-Wohneigentumsprogramm – Genossenschaftsanteile: Kredit für den Erwerb von Genossenschaftsanteilen für eine selbstgenutzte Genossenschaftswohnung"   There are two ways to get it – both through a consumer bank rather than KfW, who have no branches nor other customer-facing apparatus apparently. The first is to have a Wohnberechtigungsschein, which we're applying for but think we won't get. The second seems utterly Kafkaesque. IBB have advised, through two different people today, and separately to the Genossenschaft, that without a WBS they will happily provide the credit but only if the borrower sends the bank the money first. Yes, you read that correctly. The bank will only offer the credit under the condition that the borrower pays the bank the money beforehand, as "security" (Sicherheit). They added that in the end no-one ever takes them up on this offer. (What a shocker!) While my German is decent enough, in this case my native-German speaking partner spoke at length with the bank, as did the Genossenschaft, so this is not a mistaken translation.    Unsurprisingly, I'm loath to believe that what we're being told could possibly be correct. Does anyone have any conflicting experience or knowledge here? My assumption is of course that the bank are either idiots, or are pretending to be so they don't have to go through the hassle of handing out low-interest credit when they could be doing something more financially productive. Regardless, it would be great to hear any leads on this matter...! At least in part so I don't have an aneurysm.   ps. we have tried other banks (in my partner's case Sparkasse, who just said, no, we don't do this, but would you like to buy a financial product from us), but not *every* bank. I can't say categorically now, but if I remember correctly IBB was the one suggested by the Genossenschaft originally. Before hearing about the policy noted above, obviously.

@Sir Percy B thank you!

Ok folks, time for a stupid question from me. I already have an unbefristetes Niederlassungserlaubnis, issued in Berlin in 2019. Do I need to register online (again) and fill in a form (again) and apply for the new card? Even if I don't have to, would it be advisable? 

An update in case anyone is interested:   I sat the B2 TELC exam, not entirely a piece of cake but fairly sure I ought to have passed it. Collated and organised all of the necessary documents, filled out the Einbürgerungsantrag, signed it and delivered it to the Amt by hand on Wednesday. Knowing that I only had the LiD test to sort out, was feeling pretty accomplished, not to mention relieved that I'd somehow managed to sort everything out in time after my previous ridiculous delays.   Unfortunately, when I went to the Sprachschule on 18.12–although they's confirmed the day before the test would still go ahead– the LiD test was cancelled, as were all LiD tests in Germany. We were literally sitting at our desks in the exam room when the news came through to the school from BAMF HQ. So, pretty gutted now. I'll write a letter to the Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde asking them to be nice given the circumstances (I had a confirmed spot for the test before the end of the Brexit transition phase, it was completely out of my control that it was cancelled by BAMF due to the lockdown). Can't say I'm feeling especially confident however.

    This, basically. Plus I just have the feeling that, if I can swing it, there's no downside.

I'm a British citizen, who moved to Berlin in 2013. Due to various factors – mainly my own idiocy – I had not realised that with B2 German ability, 6 years residency would be enough for Einbürgerung. I'm now rushing like mad to send an application in before the end of the transition period on 31.12.20 to try and secure dual citizenship.   The main issue I'm facing is that it appears to be impossible to get a place for an Einbürgerungstest, or alternatively a Leben in Deutschland test, this year. None of the Volkshochschulen have spots, neither (it appears) do any private schools. As I understand it BAMF require the test centre to have registered participants four weeks in advance, so it's not a case of asking nicely/begging for an exception to get a spot. One school has told me they might have a spot on the 18.12, which I will certainly take them up on if it turns out to be real, but given the BAMF rules I don't see how I can count on it. So:   1. Does anyone know whether some alternative evidence can be given to the Einbürgerungsbehörde, to satisfy §10(7) of StAG – i.e.proving requisite knowledge about German legal, societal and living conditions? An Einbürgerungstest is, according to the legislation,"in der Regel" (which I interpret as "ordinarily") the way to prove it. But I wonder if there have been any divergent cases here.   2. The Brexit-Übergangsgesetz says at 3(1) that in order to qualify for dual citizenship, having submitted the application by 31.12.20 is sufficient provided that, as at that date, all the other conditions for naturalisation have been fulfilled. I interpret that as meaning, the test must have been passed by that date. Has anyone been told differently by an Einbürgerungsbehörde, for example that simply having registered for a test in the new year would be enough? I know that usually you just need to submit an Anmeldung for the test with the initial application.    I'd be grateful for any help here. I'm well aware that the main thought on this might be that I should've just dealt with this earlier.