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That´s already where the nonsense starts. I´m not specifically speaking to Americans nor amd I telling you whether or not the killing oh Floyd was motivated by racist. I was merely stating that it didn´t loook like that to me and that I´m wondering whether it was. And even if I had been trying to tell you it wasn´t that would still not be an insult in my book. Especially as there seem to be Americans who disagree with you. Of course, you´re free to feel insulted. If you do you should google HALO effect. But rest assured it wasn´t my intention to insult anyone.  

What are you on about? Where did I insult someone?

I might not understand US race relations but I don´t think I ever insulted someone here.

I was there last year and didn´t like it. Even though I only was in "white areas", visiting my sister and daughter. But neither my daughter nor her husband from Ecuador ever mentioned being afraid of ploice.

If he had been black, looking middle class and wearing a suit and a tie I guess he might not have been perceived a criminal either.

I said that I´m not convinced that the killing of Floyd was due to racism (as I think it could have happened to a white criminal as well). I didn´t say there was no racism in the US. Can you see the difference?  

Listen to the video. The maths are explained there. She takes into account that blacks are only 13% of the population.

That would seem like racism. But how would authorites know whether they were meting out tickets to a black or white person? And how would she have known that she wouldn´t have received a ticket if she had done the offence? I´m more inclined to think that the reason why blacks are overrepresented amoung the criminal community is the same why e. g. poor people´s kids in Germany find the odds are stacked against them when it comes to education, carreer and income. Things like lack of role models, means for promotion and support (like e.g. private tuition, parents helping with homework) etc. It feeds a vicious circle because given that blacks are overrepresented in crime stats they are obviously regarded as more of a danger than a white person would be - all else being equal. That will lead to racism and the perception of being treated in a racist and unfair manner. Which will reinforce the vitious circle.

I wasn´t referencing the number of black people but that of black criminals. According to the video blacks are overrepresented in the group of criminals (e. g. black men, representing 6 % of the population account for 40% of murders) which is why the number of white criminals shot by police is higher than you´d assume when looking at the percentage of the population. My personal view isn´t that it´s a question of skin colour but of socioeconomic background. As I said before poor, uneducated people are more likely to commit non-white collar crimes like tax evasion than the average well educated millionaire - and the percentage of black people among the poor and uneducated is disproportionally high. To fix that you need to start with the education system and provision of social services (like healthcare for everyone or programs against unemployment).

There was another video showing that 2 or 3 (don´t remember) other policemen were kneeling on his back. None of the policemen seemed angry or raging. Just unconcerned. They weren´t in danger at the time the video was taken.

Yes, and last year it (or rather it´s police) took the lives of 19 white unarmed men but "only" of 9 black men. Your risk of being killed by US police as a white criminal is 25% higher than that of a black criminal (10:40 min of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtPfoEvNJ74). To me that seems to indicate that the murder of George Floyd was a reflection of a problem of police brutality rather than of racism.

 

As far as I remember I was wondering where the talk about murder came from because I remembered from "Sozialkundeunterricht" in school that murder implied intent to kill - which I didn´t see. I just didn´t know that "murder" couldn´t simply be translated as "Mord".

I didn´t try to teach anyone about US law - just to explain why I spoke of manslaughter rather than murder in one of my earliers posts (based on my German understanding of the term).

No. But that could be part of an answer to my question.

What bad advice have I given? And I lived in Germany for 48 years. Why are you asking?

No, but in a previous life I was a rat killer (when working in pharmacological research). Just in case you haven´t seen rats for some time.

I might have taught you something about the German legal system. Just so that you stop misinterpreting my posts as if I was defending police brutality.

Nonsense. I never said the actions of police are excusable. I´m just questioning whether they acted like they did because the victim was black.

As I pointed out in a previous post in German law murder requires intent to kill and murder of second degree seems to be the US equivalent to that.

Is that what you´d call substantiating your point?

Who are you to tell me to shut up? And helping with what? I was asking a sincere question as I´m not convinced it was a case of racism. It could just as well have been a case of maslaughter commited by police (without intent to kill - at least that was the impression I got from the video).

Where did I do that? Please point to it.

Are you insinuating that I said it did?

Are you trying to suggest there should be no trial in order to secure public order?