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I'm surprised passport services has not responded to your email. But, yes to get a passport, you have to send in proof of citizenship or your other passport.   By the way, it's consulates-general

Well, if you feel German, good for you, but the majority will not see you as such. THEY would rather you say 'bin ich jetzt wirklich deutsche Staatsburger geworden?' But, as far as I'm concerned, du bist jetzt Deutscher unless you prefer to be called otherwise. Herzlichen Glueckwuensch.

You don't have to leave Germany. You have residency here. Some people with residence, myself included, also get stamps sometimes. It doesn't mean anything.

You're not taking into consideration the importance of a strong opposition in a legislative assembly. The second largest party ought to play the role, as opposed to a grand coalition with only fractured opposition parties. It is healthier this way (except in the US, where it's all over...).

And the US has the opposite - a diversity lottery where every year 55000 individuals/families from countries that do not send enough people to the US can get permanent residence, and all they need is a high school education. It really pisses off the MAGA-ssholes.   https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity_Immigrant_Visa

jeba's opinion is not rare or novel. It's likely his opinion is held by the majority in most countries.

Thanks, but it is not fixed. If you look at the language (https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Acquisition-US-Citizenship-Child-Born-Abroad.html#:~:text=A%20person%20born%20abroad%20in%20wedlock%20to%20a%20U.S.%20citizen,person%20was%20born%20(INA%20301():   'A person born abroad in wedlock to a U.S. citizen and an alien acquires U.S. citizenship at birth if the U.S. citizen parent has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the person’s birth for the period required by the statute in effect when the person was born'   The entitlement applies from birth, i.e. they are automatic citizens, if the parent has met the requirements to transmit. Of course, without a piece of paper, this is hard to prove, but if the claim by the Germans is that they would be 'applying' for it, that is patently false. They would be applying for the consular report of birth abroad, which is merely documentation of citizenship acquired automatically at birth.

If you meet the qualifications to pass citizenship on to your kids, they are US citizens whether or not you apply for proof. Of course, without a US birth certificate they can likely go through life never having exercised their US citizenship and most if not all will not notice, including US immigration. You can go this route if the future obligation to file taxes irrespective of their place of residence is the issue for you. However, it isn't THAT big of an issue, and if the want to renounce in the future, let them, so I suggest getting the CRBA and possibly a letter from the consulate stating that the child is automatically a US citizen, and that the CRBA/passport is only proof of this.

Fair enough. You're consistent so we know where you stand. At least you're keeping your calm, so you get a couple of points for that. I still think that even though you say naturalization should be made more difficult (I assume like it is in Switzerland), you'd really be happier if only those with blood ties to Germany can be citizens.

Ok i didn't realize Jeba is a known quantity. I don't keep that close an eye on all the characters here. But, yeah I agree it's his right to express his views here. It's useful for foreigners to know what some people here think of them. Keeps one grounded 😋

Eh, this is hardly surprising. Immigrants who benefit from their ability to immigrate sometimes tend to want to raise the drawbridge once they've crossed it.

Huh? This is how you feel? Then how the fuck would it suit you if these people just gave up their former citizenship and became German? They'd still be from 'different backgrounds', have different 'norms and values', and have 'tolerance for genital mutilation'. You make no sense, and you're clearly a bigot. There's no point in responding to you with sound arguments, because with these views, I doubt you'd be convinced otherwise.   If I understand correctly, naturalization should not be allowed. Does that sum it up? Moron.

Once again, I could give up my US citizenship and become just German, jeba. This would be FORCED upon me. But, I do want the right to vote here, as I live here, and my family are also German (though my traitorous disloyal kids are German and American). However, this would not turn on a loyalty switch in my head. On the contrary, I could resent the state for making me choose to renounce the right to visit, and possibly care for, my parents, who live in a country with difficult immigration rules, and where a former citizen doesn't have an easier route to residency (as is the case with Germany). So, your claim of loyalty is hollow. It doesn't work like that. Don't forget that spies are also often citizens of the state on which they spy for another state, of which they are not a citizen. Most of us AREN'T spies, of course, but the point is that tying loyalty to citizenship is simpleminded and populist. Any cases of disloyalty in times of war, or with spying, can be dealt with by the justice system.

Why does it always have to do with loyalty? Maybe Fritsen just wants access to the other country. As do I. I want to be able to see my family whenever I choose, and not have to go on a visa that could be rejected for any reason. And, it's also just stupid to give up a passport unless there are huge disadvantages to keeping it. Unless, of course, this abstract notion of loyalty is important to you. Germany doesn't give a fuck about you, and the United States doesn't give a fuck about me. They want your labor, taxes and votes. That's it.

What about no loyalties at all  ? There are a lot of people who are basically non-nationalists who couldn't give a hoot about 'patriotism and loyalty'. Blind nationalism is horrible, and a lot of us know it and stick to being rational about the benefits and pitfalls of citizenship. I'm sure no state wants such people as citizens. The state needs blindly proud people to maintain cohesion and legitimacy, and these are exactly the people who do not want dual citizenship to be allowed.