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That's all fine and good experiences as long as you were single and not supporting children and/or a family. You have certainly lead an interesting life.

How do you find and post on these threads? I can't search anymore.

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YYZ is the airport code for Toronto Pearson International Airport. PS- AMS is Amsterdam, MUC is Munich.

Coolest queen rocking up Oxford this evening. OK bugger, the save and post thing not working for me. But a heads up from me for Kathleen Stock.

I worked as a carer for a London council for years as a student. Got 2 hours with each client. Some once a week, some twice, the most needy every day. So a (very) quick clean, shop, make a simple meal for evening. Change bedding. Sometimes combined also to launderette (ha remember them). The same service today is max 30 minutes. Which is mad. Why the previous service was considered too expensive is a mystery to me. It was nothing. Even the bad tempered clients seemed to appreciate it, and I also really enjoyed it. Some places were totally filthy, but you did your best. Kept them reasonably independent.

Sure, it can work well. When I picked fruit in NZ and Australia the costs for accommodation were really tiny. Set work hours, and the farmer would come out with tea and cake in the morning and afternoon. Ditto at the fruit factories. The owner would serve food up in the canteen. Dorms were really cheap. Same in France, from friends who picked grapes. Huge meals, free wine in the evenings. Lots of seasonal workers and students. Now it is all different.

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Free housing and food here but paying same for family in Poland. Unless it was a single woman with no family.

@karin_brenig "anything I could do too, but really prefer not to." And there's the rub. Just like at the other end of life's journey, child care poses many of the same issues,

OK working as a carer in Germany for a person from a less rich country is probably earning-wise attractive. But these are probably adult women, likely with their own families back at home, possibly husband and young children, which are left behind for the sake of earning a living for the family. The decent earning these folks make are definitely very hard earned. Not saying that "they earn 1300 netto per month, which is very good compared to the average earning over there" is nonsense, but for sure it ignores other points, which are extremely significant.

My Mum, a nurse, now retired, worked years as a 24/7 carer. She earned hugely more than the numbers written here. From what I heard, the job was brutal: for several weeks in a row she had like 30min a week when she could leave the premises and see her partner. The person employing her had to be very well off, in fact they were often rich. And they were near the end of their life. These points combined brought some unexpected very unpleasant aspect: my Mum was witnessing the string of relatives all queuing and fighting for their share of fat inheritance.

He's doing it just for me.

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The care taker gets between 1.950,- € and 2.250,- € per month (Brutto, before taxes) depending on their level of experience and language skills. Also free housing and food while they are in Germany. Considering the average salary in Poland, where most of these women come from, is 1.300,- € per month - it looks like a win-win situation.

I am a bit curious how much the carer actually get out of the 3600.

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I organized one of those live-in-housekeepers for my parents (now only mom is alive). They're employed by a company in Eastern Europe, with full health insurance and pension in accordance with their country's laws. Their employer sends them to live and work in a house in Germany, with the person who needs help, for six to eight weeks at a time. After that the care taker has six to eight weeks off, while another colleague of theirs takes over. This service costs 3600,- € per month. The arrangement works well for everybody. The caretakers tell me they make really good money, compared to what they could earn doing the same service in their home country. My mom doesn't really need "medical care" yet. Just the basics, preparing meals, helping her get up, get dressed, keep her company, push her around in a wheelchair for a walk outside, do laundry, get groceries.... anything I could do too, but really prefer not to.

24/7 is 24 hours per day and 7 days per week. Of course there is down time but the responsibility is always there. I'd say 3k is pretty cheap considering the insurance/pension costs that snowing mentioned. It is true that the majority can't afford such care. Just like everywhere else, rich people get better health care. My mom's care home was $9 k ++ per month.

Well I hope the carer has some time off. I mean it is not actually 24/7? And self employed must organise tax and health insurance? Health insurance can be pricey if you are not an employee. Though I guess they could be working on the black. Which can work as long as nothing goes wrong.

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A friend just told us she is paying now 3000€ per month for a foreign lady to take care of her mother, 24/7. She has no medical experience. Although I'm glad people are getting well paid for it, it's quite a lot of money for the vast majority of population.

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