I hate Sundays in Germany

@Timmeh. ask Hazza, he said it was still a great day to catch up with friends.

I agree, then again, I do not shop at the weekend. I use those fre times in the evening to during the week to do my shopping. A whole weekend relaxing - I recommend it.

@Hazza, this isn't about people being special. As you said earlier in the thread, its about shops being open for people on Sunday who either cannot plan a whole 24 hours ahead or have little time during the week to shop.

Little time in the 10:00 - 21:00 shop opening time (20:00 in some places) - you work too long, why should anyone else work Sunday just to fit in with with your long hours?

All the people you mentioned could get another job if they decide they would rather not work Sunday. I expect the jobs there have weekend work as part of the conditions of the job. The people in the supermarket do not have it as part of their working conditions.

Just because some people have to work does not mean everyone has to.

As all those people working the jobs you mentioned work Sundays, I guess they will do their shopping on their day off during the week. So that's a whole group of people who do not need the shops open on Sunday.

It seems that people are saying that because they :-

Work long hours - no time to go shopping
Cannot decide what to eat on Sunday
Have nothing else to do
Because some other people have to work on Sunday
Just think its a good idea

That people who have to put up with being spied on, low wages, crap career prospects should have to give up their Sunday.

If you want shops open on Sunday, how about you volunteer to work in one.

I used to own my own business and I worked countless Sundays...

Let me get this straight, Hazza...we agree on two things? amazing.

I work most Sundays, tourists don't care what day it is...

Erm, that's because Germany blatantly is not a free market. Atall.

I'm as surprised as you are.

my dentist closes fridays 12 o'clock, so seems like you're working in the wrong office and I'm going to the wrong dentist

My dentist routinely makes 19:00 and even 20:00 appointments. Even better, I've found that a lot of doctors open at 7:00, so I can have a check-up and still make it to work.

My local HL is open until 22:00 Mon-Sat. The US state where I grew up only ditched its "Blue Laws" in the late 1980s, and only last year started allowing beer sales on Sundays. Here, one could always pick up a crate at the gas station 24/7. Worst case, the Hauptbahnhof and/or the Flughafen are always there 24/7 for other things.

Things are gradually changing in the classic German fashion .. without great fanfare.

I must admit, he idea of "big box" Wal-Marts etc. fully-staffed, lit and A/Ced 24/7 just in case someone wants to make an impulse shotgun purchase at 3:00AM on a Sunday just never set right with me anyway.

I have canaryman on ignore, but my curiosity got the better of me this time and I had a look.

Oh and it's as banal as ever. I guess if staying alive was all looking out for, then we wouldn't need any internal plumbing either, or paved roads, or even supermarkets at all, we could just grow our own food. We also won't die without computers or TV or cars or...hang on, why am I even dignifying this post with a response?

The gun section generally closes at normal hours anyways, last I chekced - you can't get a shotty at 3 am on a sunday. Of course I can only recall two occasions of ever going into wall mart since i was 16 years old so I could be wrong..

that's just great, everything is open 24/7 but you can't even get the most import things (guns and beer)

@ hazza . You sir are an idiot that cant read . I went hiking on Sunday as i wrote , and yes , it DID rain . Also your comment about shops being not open is brain dead . All i wanterd to say is that if you are active , you can always find ways to occupy Sundays . A little bit of rain never hurt anyone . Try getting out and about when the weather is not perfect . You might even enjoy it ! Failing that , try getting a life .

It seems that you are the idiot who can't read.

Yes, it did rain, but it didn't "chuck it down all day", did it? I don't know about you, but I don't enjoy hiking or cycling or much anything else when it chucks it down all day. I would imagine that most other people don't either. If you're the exception, well then bully for you.

Secondly, you failed to respond to my question: "are you trying to suggest that if the shops were open today, that you wouldn't have done exactly the same thing? That you would have somehow have been compelled to go shopping?" The purpose of this question is to suggest that shops opening on Sundays should have no effect on your very active lifestyle. Perhaps you missed that?

And Thirdly...

Who's the idiot, I wonder?

*I see the "Get a Life" link isn't working right now. Check it out when it's up again.

Strange , in the first line of your first reply you state quite clearly that it did not rain . However , in your second reply you state quite clearly that it did rain . Hmm , problems witn basic English ?

I hate Sundays too. I can't find my car keys since yesterday. I blame Sunday.

Great - you really are an idiot.

I first posted that yesterday (Sunday). So on that day, "yesterday" referred to Saturday. But then, when you accused me of not being able to read, I requoted that post, so in that post, "yesterday" still refers to Saturday. At the top of the quote box is says:


That should make it clear. Obviously you've spent too much time hiking in pouring rain and your brain seems to have suffered from frostbite or something

And this is class:


Always, always, always make sure that your English is perfect when you criticize someone else's English, or you leave yourself open to ridicule.

Begs the question why the hell you blather on about saturday in answer to a post where i was talking about a day out on sunday , Ever heard of logical reasoning ?

Actually it doesn't beg the question. Begging the question is a logical fallacy in which the proposition to be proved is assumed implicitly or explicitly in one of the premises. Ever heard of logical reasoning?

The phrase you were searching for is 'raises the question'.

Just for you, I'll explain it in simple words:

It's because all you people who are against Sunday trading pretend like there's no other day where you can go and enjoy yourselves outdoors, and pretend that if the shops are open, one is somehow forced to go shopping. So my point was that Sunday trading actually helps outdoors activity. When the weekend rolls around and you have shopping to do, but you would also like to go on a full day hiking trip, then it's shithouse if the weather is fine on Saturday and it pisses down all of Sunday. You'll have to choose whether to go shopping or hiking on Saturday, while Sunday turns out to be a complete write off in any case.

However if shops were also open on Sundays, you could check the forecast, see that it was going to be fine on Saturday and raining heavily on Sunday. You could subsequently go hiking on Saturday and enjoy the day outside, secure in the knowledge that you could do your shopping on Sunday. Understand?

First you accuse me of not reading your post properly, when it was actually you who didn't see the difference between "raining a bit" and "chucking it down all day". Then you accuse me of not being able to write proper English, whilst misspelling this accusation and it actually stemming from your ignorance of how the quote function works. Now finally you're unable to grasp or understand the concepts of a basic scenario.

I'm honestly eager to see what facet of your stupidity you're going to serve up next...

Now i might be being pedantic , but in your reply to me , you never actually stated "raining a bit" . As i said in my post , it actually threw down one hell of a storm just as we got to the summit , if you want , i can post pictures . As for your comment about hiking saturdays , i usually work , therefore for me Sundays are perfect to get out of the city and away from the hustle and bustle . As i said , a bit of rain never hurt anyone . Finally , i made a typo , shock horror ! Also i made a mistake with the quote function ! If thats the best you can come up with , then go and play in your local kindergarten . You will find people of a similar mental age !

Oh man...

I've posted the quote here once more so you can see what I wrote. This time the important bit is in italics and the really important bit is in bold.


But the point is - go hiking whatever day you want. If you can only go on Sunday, because you work on Saturday, then fine. My point is that you wanting to go and enjoy the outdoors should be irrelevant to whether the shops are open on Sundays or not.


It's not so much that you made a typo or that you were unable to use the quote function, but more that you accused me of stupidity whilst it was actually you who got everything wrong and fucked up. Otherwise, I wouldn't give a shit. Also, that your reply to my post was unneccessarily aggressive. I didn't say anything in my initial reply to you that attacked you in any way personally and your response was to call me an idiot who can't read and braindead and that I should "get a life" (see below). You should expect some sort of retaliation to your unwarranted and unprovoked abuse - especially if it turns out that you're the one who's fucked up.

Someone with grammar skills as poor as yours cannot really afford to call themselves pedantic...

And, at the end of the day, it is all about choice. Give people the choice to go out shopping on Sunday and they can decide to take it or leave it. Being Germany, I am sure they will have the unions and other legal bodies write up some 2000 page document explaining in mind-dumbingly miniscule detail just what the retailers can and cannot do with regards to getting people to work. If you find Sunday shopping evil then you don't go - it really is as simple as that. If the move to open on Sundays does not prove finanically viable then the retailers will, most probably, prefer to stay closed. Is it really that difficult to comprehend?

This is why so many people in Germany and mainland Europe have bidets... no loo roll on sunday - no problem!

So let me rant in the opposite direction. :-)
You can get alcohol on a sunday, since there are 24/7 Gas Stations in most places.

In Connecticut though you couldn't buy alcohol on a sunday, even though stores were open.
I was in a Supermarket that normally sold alcohol, Freezers were covered with big blue blankets.
I thought 'weird', anyway took the blanket aside and got me a case of beer. The cashier was so
confused about my act, that she sold it to me, but ran after me when i was in the door. "Sorry Sir, we can't sell it".

No problem with CT, just saying, there are similar oddities other countries. There are even dry counties.

Now here is someone trying to make an irrelevant point and trying to be clever . Could you please show me just where i posted something that even suggested that i had a problem with Sunday shopping ?

I bought two large packages of Charmin toilet paper today. 16 rolls each. That's 32 rolls. I figure I should be good for this Sunday.

I was responding the the general discussion in the second part of my comment although your first post on this subject tended towards being against Sunday shopping and your little spat with Hazza aftewards backed up that point (your refusal to answer simple questions). The first part was very relevant to your post as it was littered with basic grammatical errors.

Which questions would these be ? Just a case of someome trying to stir shit maybe ?

@ Crawlie .Just where is my post against Sunday shopping ? Where are the grammatical errors ?

Actually, I believe you are the one who has questions still to answer

Those questions being ...?

Question from Hazza

If the shops had been open on Sunday , i would have still have gone hiking . My God , are you happy now that you have got the answer to this riveting question ? Has it made your previous tedious comments worthwhile ? If waiting for my answer bothered you so much , then you have my deepest sympathy .

Oh thank God. I can go to sleep now. 3 bloody days I have been awake waiting for the man to reply. 3 days... And, anyway, you totally misunderstood the question. It was referring to whether you would have switched your hiking to Saturday and shopped on Sunday if, a) the shops were open on Sunday AND you checked the weather forecast and saw perfect weather for Saturday and shit weather for Sunday..

You were more concerned with hurling insults around than answering simple questions (which, by the way is why insults were aimed at you, just in case you wish to address that as well)

Humps, don't worry about Crawlie, I don't

San Francisco and still posting here, summit's wrong like

What the hell does awak mean ?

Edit : nice edit of your post Crawlie . I can´t help fealing that you are fealing like a bit of a tit though....

Ah yes. I misspelled awake. Good catch there humphs. Oh! And our dear friend Astro Rabbit has joined us. Wonderful.


Yet you follow me around from topic to topic? Interesting.


Remember that post from Hazza suggesting that somebody of limited english ability should think twice before pointing out other peoples' mistakes?
Just wondering

Prehaps I could come to San Francisco one boring Sunday, especially on a long public holiday weekend where everything is shut, and maybe we could have a beer

Yes. That would be delightful. Now, if you have a complaint about the fact that a non-German resident is posting on this site then please raise that with the necessary management representative.

I have no complaints

Except that Sunday is Boring in most countries, even if the shops and malls are open.

Sundays in the States are anything but boring. You have the choice to do pretty much whatever takes your fancy. Want to go off on a hike in the pouring rain? No problem. Want to get those errands done that you could not do during the week? Simple. It's all about choice and it is comforting to know that I can re-arrange my plans at a moment's notice without having to consider whether draconian laws will prevent me from doing what I want.

Sundays in Germany were pretty boring but I still had plenty to do. They were also very annoying as there was often a time when I noticed I ran out of some food stuff or another and would have to do without. Very inconvenient I would say

Yep, Sundays in Germany are quite different than Sunday in the States. When I lived in the States I would party on Friday and Saturday and then shop on Sunday. At first, not being able to shop on Sunday in Germany was difficult for me to adjust to.

Now after eleven years I welcome Sundays with no shopping because it's more peaceful in the town and I find other things to do with my time to take care of myself that are more productive than shopping.

There's plenty of shopping on Sunday in Munich: Chinescher Turm, Augustiner, Hofbräukeller, Max Emanuel...

Same here. The best thing about it is the drop-off in traffic and noise to near zero.

Absolutely, I really enjoy the one day of the week in my small town where there seems to be some stillness and a break from the noise pollution.

Sundays are not particularly peaceful for many villagers when all the city folks come out to enjoy the countryside. Where we live, Sundays mean the golf course across the street is very busy, along with the restaurant/club house. My in-laws' village is a well known starting off point for hiking. To get to the parking lot, folks have to drive right through the village so the main village road has traffic all day Sunday. In winter, folks come for cross country skiing so the traffic stays high on Sundays in all seasons. The village is a dead end, so the cars have to go back through to go home. There's usually a traffic jam with cars coming and going on the main street every Sunday afternoon. And some hikers leave a lot of litter that the locals have to clean up on Mondays. No stillness or break from noise pollution (actually a lot louder, what with dogs barking at all the strangers, nordic walking sticks clacking loudly, people and children yelling, cars honking), plus added car exhaust pollution makes for quite the opposite from what you get LR.

Best days for a peaceful hike or exploring the countryside are Wednesday and Thursday. Best days to enjoy the backyard are Monday - Thursday.

Here's a practical solution I found at www.postsecrets.com for your Sunday toilet paper dilemma.

Damn, I just realized I ran out of sparkling water and I feel like having a glass. Why all the supermarkets are closed on Sundays? I hate Sundays!

Ha ha! I've done that! I thought I was the only one.