German pensioner shoves Greek girl against U-Bahn

miwild, you fucking waste of oxygen, go the fuck away already! The hit & run in the US was clearly a jaywalker in the middle of the street when something happened to cause a driver to swerve. It was not intentional (not the "hit" part, anyway, and the "run" bit is common in panic situations).

This incident was an intentional attempt to push a child into an incoming train which would most certainly have killed her. I have doctor-type friends in NYC hospitals and know full well what happens when people slip and get caught between the cars of an incoming train. Depending on a couple factors they are either killed instantly by being dragged into and under the wheels, or their bodies are twisted along the platform. In the latter case they remain conscious (and in a lot of pain) and have about 20 minutes to live. You have to decouple the cars to get them out and as soon as that happens, the pressure that was preventing the massive hemorrhaging is released and the bleed out internally.

Now go crawl back under your rock you denialist piece of shit.

woof.

Regardless of whether the incident in Hartford and Munich are related, it is a bit ridiculous to follow something like that happening with a statement "oh that is because they are German / American / Martian" or "no surprise, they're German after all" or "what do you expect with the German attitude of so-and-so", how long do you people have to live in other countries to stop blaming things that happen or don't happen on someone's nationality. You'd think you could expect better from educated expats who have experience with living in other countries.
But anyway, glad this pensioner is being charged with attempted murder. I think for a lot of people the guy's age is more relevant when it comes to defending what he did than the girl's nationality, but 70 year-olds can also be assholes. They should not get an exception from the law, and this case should be treated as seriously as the u-Bahn incident a few months ago, maybe even more seriously, because there is no way that pensioner was somehow still an adolescent who couldn't foresee his actions. What a sick thing to do!

And you show nothing to wit. You overstated something and are simply fucked because you can't twist words or post a thousand links to back up your idiocy.
Face it, there was no "German bashing" and you got caught in your own double speak and you refuse to admit you were wrong!

Next; I am done with this character!

As usual, eurovol (now shown to be a male chauvinist) you are wrong. Go back and read for comprehension- if you can!

BTW, it's often the case that I post links to expose the lack of logic in others' statements.

The post obviously had nothing to do with this thread and that was a waste of O2. The hit and run however was a tragedy of speeding fuckers trying to pass someone not speeding and the consequences are what one would expect. I almost posted that this belonged in the "Woo is me, I got done for speeding" threads. Speeding is reckless driving and they should go to jail just as the asswipe that tried to kill a kid by shoving her into a moving train. In both cases, one is with intent and the other is without care. I have no respect for either. They are both a menace to society.

Hilary Clinton once tried to push Barack Obama away from the speaker's lectern.
Could Conq. and Eur. please comment.
Attempted political murder?
I think we should be told.

If you read all of my posts on this thread, you'll realise that I'm more inclined to be supportive of the girl's stance, not the bully. I don't like people trying to twist my words.

On another note (regarding other digressions on this thread), it's a shame that good discussion on this site often sinks into slanging matches . If folk don't want to take the time to read a thread thoroughly and make an effort to understand each contributor's stance, then perhaps they shouldn't post. I always think twice before posting on this site, because I always have a sense of dread that some wanker is going to get arsey and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. Why can't you all play nice, eh?


That doesn't surprise me.

I have a theory that frustrated people who get arsey for no reason are not getting enough how's-your-father. When someone gets all blob a dob with me (internet or supermarket) I comfort myself with the thought that I can have an orgasm later. I truly believe that if there was more humping in the world, folk wouldn't be so inclined to get narked. Orgasms are wonderful things. Why spend time getting riled, when you could be having one?

Okay, so I'm digressing. I shall bugger off and have a lovely weekend. I'll catch you lot when I've replenished my lurv hormones.

It seems his wife scolded him roundly and he said about the girl "She deserved it".
Once he'd seen his picture in the media he was torn between turning himself in and not leaving the house. He chose the latter. Now, of course, he is very contrite and glad that the girl is ok. Well, sorta. She's shit-scared to use the U-Bahn.

I think the moral of the story is that people need to have Rücksicht and use common sense in such situations. No one should be pushing anyone anywhere near a train track even if their intent is not to push the other person onto the track or between/under a train.

The concept of community, that EVERYONE has a valid role in society and NO ONE is a "untermensch"
needs to be pushed amongst the self styled "Aryans" on the MVV.

As a German friend said to me tonight:

DEUTSCHE RENTER INS BOOTCAMP

Conq., might I point out that it is not possible to "have Rücksicht". Try to use one language or the the other properly. Cease and desist this ludicrous ameoscoposity at once!

Rücksicht = Consideration.Now what the fuck does consideration have with trying to kill someone?He pushed a girl in to a train for crying out loud.When her family beats the shit out of him what will the German community be saying then?Racism against Germans?If you look at it all she was a way away from the train so an incidental push does not come in to it it was done on purpose with intent.Attempted murder

In dubio pro reo. Unless they can prove intent to kill, he won't be done for attempted murder.

By my estimate will probably end with StGB §224, "Gefährliche Körperverletzung". Characteristics: injury brought about in a sneaking, insidious way; through an act endangering her life.

Up to 10 years, 5 years if minderschwer (could be argued that this is the case here). Since she was barely injured, he'll get 6 months to a year probably.

Its not the injury but the intent.Versüchte Mord.Anyway if he des not get a long stretch the Greek community is gonna get him later

huh?

Here's the latest on that story:  http://www.thelocal.de/12343/20080607/

Sidthespid, I agreed with most of what you wrote which is why that one comment of yours stuck out like a sore thumb and caused me to react. That particular comment didn´t seem well thought out. Hope you are having a nice orgasm.

The DA sees his pushing her against a moving train as using a potentially lethal weapon.


(my bold)

I would not be surprised, however, if the judge sees the deed as gefährliche Körperverletzung (greivous bodily harm) and the guy gets away with a slap on the wrist as the minimum punishment is under one year and can therefore be subject to probation. He should be sentenced to being pushed against a U-Bahn.


(my bold)

EDIT: From the quoted thelocal article


No, there aren't any


See above
@ thelocal, please get your facts straight.

Makes one wonder who is the shover and who is the shovee at home.

This is pretty sick.

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Interesting to hear from Mr. Baldi that it's not possible to have consideration [for others]. That explains a good deal about his antics.

At any rate, at least the Gaelic language was not butchered, right Garibaldi?

What are my "antics"?
I think we should be told.

I've been trying to ween myself off German bashing because a: my girlfriend is German, and b: they aren't all the same, but when it comes to old Germans you really start to wonder if their irascibility is down to just being old, or being old intolerant bigots. I can think of more than a dozen occasions now where i've seen over 50s in Berlin and elsewhere up to all sorts of hijinks, including racially abusing people with darker coloured skin, telling people off for walking on the wrong side of the pavement, hitting people who they accuse of queue jumping and generally being fucking obnoxious twats. I can't help wondering when I see them behaving like that what role they had in either: organising Hitler youth daytrips or informing the Stasi of suspicious activities of their neighbours.

I do agree that many old people seem bitter, rude and nosy, but I think it's far more likely that they are bitter because they are unhappy and thus try to make others unhappy to make themselves feel better, or that the time in which they grew up simply made them bitter.
This guy was 15 years old when the 2nd world war ended. I doubt he had much to do with organizing anything during the war. And the whole Stasi thing would only be an option for those who are from East Germany, which is the minority of all old people.

Edit, I wonder if people will still try to blame the behavior of old people on the nazi inside them in 10 years... really, try a little harder.
And read Why are old people in Germany so aggressive? by zee on a topic about why old people in Germany are so aggressive.

Well said Mari and it's the first time i've read Zee's post but what a brilliant insight into seeing how the senior generation see things.

That's a load of shite based on cod psychology. So they had hard lives? So they grew up in a time where rules and customs were more conservative? So what? So did my grandparents in England, so did other people of their generation in other european countries, but do they act like this? As a general rule the answer is no. They were occupied with fighting a war, and in the last years of their lives all they want is peace, which doesn't seem to be true for this select band of Germans. I'm an in no way tarring all German people over a certain age with the Nazi brush, but when I see them being racist anti social idiots I have no sympathy.

in 1955 ...

I just saw he is 69 years old, for some reason I thought he was 78 years old. So yeah, even more unlikely that he was organizing anything during the Third Reich.

Well if you saw Hellboy, they said the occult wars went on well beyond 1945

I think they should take a look in that guys cellar! You never know!

Whoever he is,whether German,Englishman or whatever,he needs to be caught and punished for this. His pensioner status does not excuse his actions. I am a foreigner and I tell you each day as i wait for the Ubahn,i make sure to stand as far as possible from the tracks and only move forward when it arrives.

So if you are a foreigner and your looks give it away as in my case...am African, take care and watch your back especially at the Ubahn station. We would like to believe the world is changing and ones colour and origin are trivial but well...i think that will happen in several centuries.

Am glad the young girl survived.

Funnily enough most of us are foreigners on here. You can't protect yourself from the random nutter. You can however get paranoid about it and think that all Germans are going to push you off the platform.

It would indeed be excessive to think that all Germans are going to push you off the platform ... but it only takes one random nutter - and there seem to be enough of them around. Once is already once too many.

I also stand away from the platform at a safe distance. Because it doesn't even take a nutter. A girl from my high school (in 2001) was killed by an S-Bahn at Ostbahnhof because she was playing on her Gameboy and fell backwards over her backpack right in front of the train. (I was standing on the same platform but didn't see it, as I was looking another way, and it was quite crowded. Only later did I find out it was a girl from my school.)

It doesn't take a nutter.

It just takes a nasty bitter German xenophobic racist.

Yah M.T. i will back you up there matey

Sounds like a good description of a nutter to me!

Yes, after I posted, I thought again - it doesn't have to be a nutter - 2 or 3 neo-nazis and a crate of beer will do the job nicely. Possibly also a single neo-nazi sans beer, but he might not have the guts on his own.

What if you're a foriegner and your looks don't give it away? I mean, in my case, I often march around sporting a handlebar moustache and some very dodgy skin-tight lederhosen but even then sometimes that gives away that I may just think fuck it and then push someone off the platform, especially if someone pisses me off in an U-Bahn...grrr...

Many Germans might have this attitude, but so do many people all over the world.

The DA has now filed a suit against the culprit for attempted murder. According to an expertise the victim would have been killed if the attack had taken place just fractions of a second later. The culprit tacitly accepted this fact and pushed the girl against the train in a surprise attack from behind. He is possibly facing several years in jail.
Süddeutsche Zeitung online:

Just want to defend the Germans quickly... I was on my way to the airport about a year ago and an older fella getting of the train fell and trapped his leg inbetween the platform and the train door (you know the gap im talking about!) Before i could even react there was at least 10 People running to his rescue one even jumped in the almost empty train and pulled the emergancy stop lever staight away! The poor old geezer had obviosly broken his leg but was pulled to saftey very quickly, so there you go, not all German people just ignore somthing if it doesnt directly affect them! .... unless it was all people going to the airport and back home to their own countries... hmmmmmm.

Oh, please. All Germans are obviously murdering bastards. How much more evidence do you need? I mean, don't you remember that guy Hitler?

who was not even a German but an Austrian guy...