BadBob
Jul 9 2008, 1:19 pm
Bell, you can't vote anyway.
Conquistador
Jul 9 2008, 1:21 pm
BTC, you might want us to think only Obama's comments are relevant (guess he'd prefer to insult other Americans, e.g., the "bitter" comments) but I think the tenor of the comments coming from Iranian politicians and spokespeople that is reported internationally is very relevant. I guess you, as a defender of Iran, are ruffled by the fact I have pointed out that what comes from them is a whole lot coarser (whether it's a joke or not). Are you prepared to condemn Iranians who say "Death to America"? Probably not.
Bell the cat
Jul 9 2008, 1:26 pm
actually Conqy, I do and have condemned Iran for the words of some politicians - particularly Ahmedinejad who is an odious populist who uses statements of racial and religious hatred to distract from his complete failure as a leader for Iran.
But please explain to me why the words of a failing Iranian leader who is on his way out are in any way relevant to a US elecxtion campaign?
BadBob
Jul 9 2008, 1:37 pm
Here's NObama's latest
"joke"...
QUOTE
At his Georgia town hall meeting, Obama cautioned kids not to drop out of school to pursue a far-fetched dream. Addressing a mostly African American crowd outside Atlanta, Obama joked, “You can’t find a job unless you are a really, really good basketball player. Which most of you brothers are not. I know you think you are. But you’re not. You are overrated in your own mind. You will not play in the NBA. You are probably not that good a rapper. Maybe you are the next Little Wayne, but probably not. In which case you need to stay in school.�
I guess he is telling them,
"No you can't!" Pitiful and pathetic.
Conquistador
Jul 9 2008, 1:38 pm
It shows that a lot of unpleasant things get said that should not be uttered when it comes to US and (especially) Iranian politicians speaking in reference to the other country.
Anyway, as for Obama gaffes, well there have been a few. As regards Iran, it appears the Euro-beloved Anointed One has ruffled Eurofeathers will his ill-advised desire to meet without preconditions with that nut job Dini or some other Iranian leader (presumably Khamenei):
QUOTE
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...8062101658.htmlEuropean officials are increasingly concerned that Sen. Barack Obama's campaign pledge to begin direct talks with Iran on its nuclear program without preconditions could potentially rupture U.S. relations with key European allies early in a potential Obama administration.
Imagine that- Eurodissatisfaction with the Democratic darling himself. Who woulda thunk it? So much for that new leaf in US-European relations.
Janx Spirit
Jul 9 2008, 1:46 pm
I’m a backwater hick with a first cousin as a mother,
my balls in one hand and a six-pack in the other.
I ain’t no liberal, no commie or spic,
I speak my mind, don’t take any shit.
I got the right to bare arms and bitch slap my wife
And hold ethnic minorities to the point of a knife.
I spit on the homeless, tell bums get a job
But in my own four walls I’m a regular slob
I eat donuts for breakfast, coffee with sweetener
Super-sized at Wendy’s with diet coke by the litre
I drive a pick-up with a gun rack and a rear fender sticker
It says McCain for president and Obama for vicar.
I’m a cunt and I know it, got the brain cells to show it
Gotta porn mag and a load, I’m ready to blow it
Gotta an enemy, a victim, who knows I own it
Gotta pitchfork and line, I’m ready to toe it
BadBob
Jul 9 2008, 5:46 pm
QUOTE (eurovol @ Jul 4 2008, 11:42 pm)

Political speeches and gatherings have been going on at the HB for how long now?...I think Hitler was the last one actually. Now wonder they ran you off!
BadBob
Jul 10 2008, 8:52 am
QUOTE
The Rev. Jesse Jackson said Barack Obama is “talking down to black people� during what Jackson thought was a private conversation before a FOX News interview Sunday. Jackson was speaking to a guest at the time about Obama’s speeches in black churches and his support for faith-based charities. Jackson added before going live, “I want to cut his nuts off.� His microphone picked up the remarks.
Jesse's son has now dissed his Dad and condemned his remarks. Ironically, Jesse's comment was in reference to NObama's Father's Day speech.
See,
I told you so.
Video
BadBob
Jul 10 2008, 12:02 pm

Jesse Jackson says he wants to cut Barack's nuts off!
Sanwald
Jul 10 2008, 1:48 pm
QUOTE (krostitzer @ Jul 9 2008, 11:53 am)

McCain's sense of humor belies a lack of professionalism. I don't think he is funny at all. In fact I think he's probably a senseless asshole when it comes to presenting an image and dealing with international powers. Apparently for him, like with Bush, politics is just a big, sick fucking joke. Elect this old choad as president of the US? Couldn't the republicans do any better than this??
LA Times I thought it was pretty funny and well delivered.
Jules Winnfield
Jul 10 2008, 5:27 pm
Maybe we will have a woman running for president once Jackson is through with him...
Crawlie
Jul 10 2008, 5:29 pm
Blimey. A woman President AND a woman Vice-President? Sounds interesting.
Jules Winnfield
Jul 10 2008, 5:31 pm
AND a First Lady!...
Crawlie
Jul 10 2008, 5:53 pm
Bloody Nora. If it carries on like this we will be seeing the Whitehouse painted Pink before too long
Punchbear
Jul 10 2008, 6:01 pm
I doubt he'll be having the painters in.
cinzia
Jul 10 2008, 7:22 pm
Jesse is bitter that he won't be the first black president.
Crawlie
Jul 10 2008, 7:26 pm
So is Obama
BadBob
Jul 10 2008, 9:28 pm
Yeah, like I said, they ran him off for trying to hold the 1st political event in HB since Hitler.
krostitzer
Jul 11 2008, 11:34 am
Lorelei
Jul 11 2008, 11:50 am
What's the point of campaigning for an American president in a foreign country? I don't get it.
eurovol
Jul 11 2008, 12:48 pm
There are over 5,000 US Citizens in Munich alone. In 2000, Gore led Bush by 527 votes before the absentee ballots were counted. The absentee vote put Bush over and the chads and Jews voting for Buchanan didn't help. Now we know the importance of absentee voting and people need to register now at
Vote From Abroad! It is the most patriotic thing to do next to serving in the military!
kwenga
Jul 11 2008, 12:49 pm
QUOTE (BadBob @ Jul 10 2008, 10:28 pm)

Yeah, like I said, they ran him off for trying to hold the 1st political event in HB since Hitler.

get the facts right, Hitlers 'political events' took place in the Bürgerbräukeller and the Löwenbräukeller, not in HB
RainyDays
Jul 11 2008, 2:05 pm
The Obama daughters Malia and Natasha spilled the beans a few days ago in an improvised familiy interview for
Access Hollywood. They come across as nice and very normal. Seven year old Natasha says about her father's speeches: "bla bla ..."
BadBob
Jul 11 2008, 2:31 pm
QUOTE (kwenga @ Jul 11 2008, 1:49 pm)

get the facts right, Hitlers 'political events' took place in the Bürgerbräukeller and the Löwenbräukeller, not in HB
Try doing a little more research...
Here, I'll even help.
Conquistador
Jul 11 2008, 2:42 pm
QUOTE (eurovol @ Jul 11 2008, 1:48 pm)

There are over 5,000 US Citizens in Munich alone. In 2000, Gore led Bush by 527 votes before the absentee ballots were counted. The absentee vote put Bush over and the chads and Jews voting for Buchanan didn't help. Now we know the importance of absentee voting and people need to register now at
Vote From Abroad! It is the most patriotic thing to do next to serving in the military!
There's a good reason why Bush won the absentee vote in 2000- many, if not most Floridian voters were military serving overseas. Although I am sure it wasn't your intent to do so, please be careful not to single out Jews as a voting bloc for Al Bore's defeat (or appear to do so).
cinzia
Jul 11 2008, 2:43 pm
QUOTE (eurovol @ Jul 11 2008, 1:48 pm)

There are over 5,000 US Citizens in Munich alone. In 2000, Gore led Bush by 527 votes before the absentee ballots were counted. The absentee vote put Bush over and the chads and Jews voting for Buchanan didn't help. Now we know the importance of absentee voting and people need to register now at
Vote From Abroad! It is the most patriotic thing to do next to serving in the military!
There are also known to be quite a few American tourists who visit Munich every year.
I think the argument can be made that voting is even more patriotic than serving in the military, since you don't even get paid for it.
BadBob
Jul 11 2008, 3:26 pm
eurovol
Jul 11 2008, 3:35 pm
The Audacity of Listening.QUOTE
We have to have a talk about Barack Obama.
I know, I know. You're upset. You think the guy you fell in love with last spring is spending the summer flip-flopping his way to the right. Drifting to the center. Going all moderate on you. So you're withholding the love. Also possibly the money.
I feel your pain. I just don't know what candidate you're talking about.
Think back. Why, exactly, did you prefer Obama over Hillary Clinton in the first place? Their policies were almost identical - except his health care proposal was more conservative. You liked Barack because you thought he could get us past the old brain-dead politics, right? He talked - and talked and talked - about how there were going to be no more red states and blue states, how he was going to bring Americans together, including Republicans and Democrats.
Exactly where did everybody think this gathering was going to take place? Left field?
I listened, did you?
cinzia
Jul 11 2008, 3:56 pm
Gail listened, too, even though she was covering Hillary's primary campaign:
QUOTE
A year and a half of campaigning and we still haven't heard Obama's penguins, either. It's not his fault that we missed the message - although to be fair, he did make it sound as if getting rid of the "old politics" involved driving out the oil and pharmaceutical lobbyists rather than splitting the difference on federal wiretapping legislation.
(Same link as eurovol's, above.)
I do like Gail Collins. So much more calm, humorous, and even-handed than some of her other female NYT editorial page columnist colleagues.
Lorelei
Jul 11 2008, 3:57 pm
QUOTE
Why, exactly, did you prefer Obama over Hillary Clinton in the first place? Their policies were almost identical - except his health care proposal was more conservative.
His education proposals were also more conservative: he wants to retain the "no child left behind" policy that is so unpopular with teachers.
No, I don't think people should be surprised if they listened to what he said... because they would then also be aware of how much he
didn't say.
eurovol
Jul 11 2008, 7:18 pm
Sour grapes?
Obama on the Issues.QUOTE
No Child Left Behind Left the Money Behind: The goal of the law was the right one, but unfulfilled funding promises, inadequate implementation by the Education Department and shortcomings in the design of the law itself have limited its effectiveness and undercut its support. As a result, the law has failed to provide high-quality teachers in every classroom and failed to adequately support and pay those teachers.
He is talking about exactly what the teachers are saying is wrong with the legislation and pointing at how he wants to fix it.
QUOTE
Reform No Child Left Behind: Obama will reform NCLB, which starts by funding the law. Obama believes teachers should not be forced to spend the academic year preparing students to fill in bubbles on standardized tests. He will improve the assessments used to track student progress to measure readiness for college and the workplace and improve student learning in a timely, individualized manner. Obama will also improve NCLB's accountability system so that we are supporting schools that need improvement, rather than punishing them.
Only people who didn't bother to listen failed to hear.
krostitzer
Jul 11 2008, 8:12 pm
QUOTE
Only people who didn't bother to listen failed to hear.
Some would rather lick any old cowboy's boot than do that. It's a good article, esp. the "anti-dumb" slant. God forbid, if we actually had a president with some class and intellect.
... And look who just insulted the us by calling them a nation of whiners.
BadBob
Jul 11 2008, 8:42 pm
NObama is a bum. He is all talk and no action. All symbolism and no substance. Just look at how he is pandering to the right. Moving to the center they call it. NObama is a left-wing loon, just like the rest of them.
krostitzer
Jul 11 2008, 8:45 pm
QUOTE
All symbolism and no substance
No badbob, that's
you
John McCain -- 61 Flip-Flops and Counting
eurovol
Jul 11 2008, 8:53 pm
Shit, that is more than Imelda Marcos!
BadBob
Jul 11 2008, 8:55 pm
BadBob
Jul 11 2008, 9:05 pm
Top Obama Flip-Flops
1. Special interests In January, the Obama campaign described union contributions to the campaigns of Clinton and John Edwards as "special interest" money. Obama changed his tune as he began gathering his own union endorsements. He now refers respectfully to unions as the representatives of "working people" and says he is "thrilled" by their support.
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Top Obama Flip-Flops
2. Public financing Obama replied "yes" in September 2007 when asked if he would agree to public financing of the presidential election if his GOP opponent did the same. Obama has now attached several conditions to such an agreement, including regulating spending by outside groups. His spokesman says the candidate never committed himself on the matter.
3. The Cuba embargo In January 2004, Obama said it was time "to end the embargo with Cuba" because it had "utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro." Speaking to a Cuban American audience in Miami in August 2007, he said he would not "take off the embargo" as president because it is "an important inducement for change."
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4. Illegal immigration In a March 2004 questionnaire, Obama was asked if the government should "crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants." He replied "Oppose." In a Jan. 31, 2008, televised debate, he said that "we do have to crack down on those employers that are taking advantage of the situation."
5. Decriminalization of marijuana While running for the U.S. Senate in January 2004, Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use. In the Oct. 30, 2007, presidential debate, he joined other Democratic candidates in opposing the decriminalization of marijuana.
Need I go on? OK, FISA. Campaign Finance. No Child Left Behind. Iraq. Iran. The guy is the biggest bullshitter on the face of the earth!
krostitzer
Jul 11 2008, 9:06 pm
one reason why i won't vote for the war monger. and one reason why i left the usQUOTE
The New York Times found 121 cases in which veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan committed a killing in this country, or were charged with one, after their return from war.
Read some of the descriptions. Scary shit.
BadBob
Jul 11 2008, 9:09 pm
Eat me TRAITOR. The percentage of returning vets committing crimes is even less than the general public.
BattalionBoy
Jul 11 2008, 9:13 pm
This Obama speech at the Brandenburg gate is going to be interesting. I mean he isn´t president yet. He might just be getting carried away with it all and could slip up real bad here.
BadBob
Jul 11 2008, 9:22 pm
I really doubt that Merckel will let NObama speak at the Brandenburg Gate. That is just a sign of NObama's arrogance and ego. Nothing more. He has a better chance of hooking up with Eurovol and making a speech at the Hofbräuhaus than he does in Berlin.
krostitzer
Jul 11 2008, 9:25 pm
The government doesn't do jack squat for returning soldiers. I've known a many of them who are seriously damaged. I've seen homeless vets on the street from the Gulf war. I've heard some hair-raising stories firsthand about what goes on over there. It's really sick. I'll gladly be counted as a traitor against that.
I knew a guy who made 12K per month as a security guy in baghdad. he was tellin' me about "patriotism." I have told former buddies to go fuck off because they want to go and kill the "ragheads." Go eat yourself badbob, maybe then you'll disappear.
Such people have no awareness of how totally fucked America has become over the last several years. It's like it doesn't even matter to them. Pull your head out from your ass and look around.
BadBob
Jul 11 2008, 9:27 pm
What branch of the Armed Forces did you say that you were in again?
eurovol
Jul 11 2008, 9:34 pm
Boob, playing Atari shadow ops doesn't count as serving. Quick claiming you served anything other than your self interests and delusional mind.
Bobby Jindal has signed a bill in Louisiana that allows ID to be taught under the guise of "academic freedom". What a joke!
BadBob
Jul 11 2008, 9:35 pm
Do you even know what you are talking about? Wait, I'll answer that. "NO" as usual. You want to attack my service? What a joke.
I got more time under canopy than you got in the chow line! 
krostitzer
Jul 11 2008, 9:42 pm
I would never make a decision to serve in the armed forces. I put my life's energy to use in other ways that are more in line with my beliefs (so wtf am i doing here!?).
I don't have anything against any soldier for the fact that he/she has made the choice. I take each person as he comes. But I also don't believe that a soldier's service makes them any more "American" than it makes me. But that's way off from your capacity of reasoning, bb. The military cons lots of naive kids from poverty stricken inner cities into getting involved. Not all, but many. And a lot of people sign up because they're bored, have no idea what to do, or just want to go and kill people. Then there are others with a genuine desire to serve their country, and they see the armed forces as the way to go. Which I can respect. Whatever, at any rate, being a soldier is a choice like any other and doesn't make one a better american.
BadBob
Jul 11 2008, 9:47 pm
QUOTE (eurovol @ Jul 11 2008, 10:34 pm)

Bobby Jindal has signed a bill in Louisiana that allows ID to be taught under the guise of "academic freedom". What a joke!
What? You don't believe in "academic freedom?" I
am shocked.
cinzia
Jul 11 2008, 9:48 pm
Man, it's a long time till the election. Is this what we'll have to put up with for four more months? Yawn.
Bell the cat
Jul 11 2008, 9:53 pm
@krostizer I read your whole post with an Arlö Guthrie accent and couldn't agree more!
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