U.S. Presidential Election 2008

Your simpleton moranic-reasoning (egal whatever you mean by outsourcing) is that by decreasing a companies bottom line will somehow stop them outsourcing? More likely the opposite. You need to pass Economics 101 before you can even attempt Economy 201.

You are a true partisan.

Power of the purse = Congress. From 1981 (97th Congress) until 2008 (110th congress) the Republicans controlled Congress 8 times and the Democrats 6. Also during that time the US had all Republican Presidents except the 8 years under Bill Clinton. And the only one to blame is Reagan. This is why no matter who is elected nothing will change.

Here is an old pilot saying " Things that are useless to a pilot - the runway behind and the sky above"

Things that are useless to solving the current energy issue - blaming a President elected 27 years ago and the oil we've burned since then.

Who cares how we got where we are today. We have an energy issue now - real problems require real solutions and leaders to implement them. Let the historians find blame.

Power of the veto = President and Congress has not been working across lines since forever it seems. Theory and reality are two inconvenient facts and blaming Reagan for stopping progress on clean and safe energy is the same as blaming the Reps ever since that worship the ground Reagan walked on and have towed the same stupid Reagonomics line of false priorities. We use 20 million barrels of oil a day and rising. 1 billion barrels of oil is less than two months supply to feed our growing appetite. We need to make a billion barrels last 6 months, not go out and destroy the environment to get the last drops of a finite resource. We need to start belt tightening now and not put it off on our kids and our kid's kids where the impact will be exponentially greater. We have lost nearly 30 years and we can't lose any more time. If you don't get that, then you are stuck in a corporate driven bottom line loop of get what you can now and screw the future. Americans need a taste of what Bush and Iraq have cost us. Those arm chair chicken hawk war mongers need to pay through the nose with their rah rah überpatriotism. Let them be gung-ho at the gas stations and think a bit about why they really are in the situation they are in.

I thought your contention was always that we went to Iraq for oil. That the evil Bush just wanted the oil. Well, where is it? Does Bush have the gazillion barrels stored on his Texas ranch or something? Now your contention seems to be that we have less oil because of the war. Why can't you just make up your mind for once and stick to it? Oh, i forgot, you're a liberal.

The Iraqi oil is underneath the terrorist training camps created by Bush policies! There is less oil on the market because of the war and the prices are higher because of the war and we are in the war because of idiots who support Bush!

Euro, you are a very confused little man.

Iraqi oil production is now at pre-war levels...

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More crap from the war apologist. Pre-war levels were 3.5 million barrels a day which are now down to 2 million on a good day.

No wonder this Democratic led Congress has the lowest approval ratings in history! Anyway, here's the story...Bush Urges Congress to Lift Offshore Drilling Ban

Barry is all hype. He doesn't know what to do now, so he has to turn to the Carter and Clinton Administrations for help! Same old Washington losers from a bygone era.

Pre-Gulf War production was at 3.5M (that's eighteen years ago!!) and dropped steadily throughout the 1990s! Production now is at 2.5M barrels, which is just about where it was, give or take 100K barrels, prior to the invasion in 2003. Whoops.

It was 3.5M prior to invasion in 2003! It is now at 2M. That is 1.5M and not some BS number you pull out of your ass. In Jan of this year, it was 1.9M barrels. Right now, there is great pressure from Bush create terrorists on the Kirkuk fields and the fields bordering Iran and Kuwait are stopped by Bush induced Diplomatic rankles with Iran.

Jules, euro is more like this...

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aairaqioil.htm


http://www.peakoil.com/modules.php?name=Ne...e&sid=39421

Jules the fool.


Either way, your statement was wrong whether it be half a million or a million and a half and you got fucking caught.

Oh yes, like I am going to trust US anything concerning Iraq. You are more of a fool than I thought if you think US figures from this Administration are worth anything at all.

Hillaryous!

But eurovol will completely trust an anti-US book.

@eurotwit
You take the Indo Asian News Service as your primary source, I'll take a US government agency...

Read the article, it is not an anti-US book, but it does fuck up Jules' inaccurate statement and boisterous blowhardism.

I'll see your fake numbers and trade you some Iraqi WMDs fool.

Are you nuts? My figures were right on the money. You came out of left field with some chickenshit article in which you misquoted a World Bank economist!?

1990:3.5M
2003:2.6M
2008:2.5M

End of story.

Come and listen to a story about a man named Jed
A poor mountaineer, barely kept his family fed,
Then one day he was shootin at some food,
And up through the ground came a bubblin crude.

Oil that is, black gold, Texas tea.

Well the first thing you know ol Jed's a millionaire,
Kinfolk said "Jed move away from there"
Said "Californy is the place you ought to be"
So they loaded up the truck and moved to Beverly.

Hills, that is. Swimmin pools, movie stars.

Well now its time to say good by to Jed and all his kin.
And they would like to thank you folks fer kindly droppin in.
You're all invited back a gain to this locality
To have a heapin helpin of their hospitality

Hillybilly that is. Set a spell, Take your shoes off.

Y'all come back now, y'hear?.

No misquote liar!

And you are nuts for continuing to believe anything the Bush Administration has to say about Iraq!

WMDs
Mission Accomplished
Bring It On
Last Throes
The World is Safer
Beacon of Democracy in the Middle East
The Surge Worked (but don't tell anybody about buying off the militias and giving them power in an unholy tradeoff)

Shall I go on fool?

I know you're trying to weasel your way out of some serious ownage, but just drop it. You got caught talking shit, about oil production this time, and I took you to the cleaners. Just stick to posting propaganda about O'Bama.

Sorry euro, Jules wins. You lost all credibility with your contention that all the oil is under terrorist training camps.

You are just so full of it. Not this time will you pull that shit.

Levels are not at prewar amounts! Ownage is thine sayeth the Lord fool!

But Bush has a plan for oil: Bush to take Iraq Oil

Euro, admit it, you are owned!

Self ownage I would say???

This one says just over 2.80mn b/d at the beginning of 2003.


Of course, there was all that oil being smuggled out that the US Gov. claims it didn't know about.

And again.


In 2003, Cheney predicted Iraqi output would return to 3 million barrels per day by the end of 2003.

Damn, all these numbers are substantially more then Jules' 2.6 million low ball US Gov numbers.

Two Muslim women were prohibited from sitting behind the podium at Barack Obama’s Monday rally in Detroit, apparently so their headscarves would not appear in photographs with him, according to a report Wednesday in the Politico.com.

Done by low level volunteers unbeknownst to the Obama campaign. Official statement from the Obama campaign; "This is of course not the policy of the campaign. It is offensive and counter to Obama's commitment to bring Americans together and simply not the kind of campaign we run. We sincerely apologize for the behavior of these volunteers."

Look for these ladies to be sitting behind Obama at a venue soon.

I won't be holding my breath.

Oh, please do.

@eurotwerp
As I said before, oil production levels are, give or take 100K barrels, back at 2003 levels. This is what I have maintained from the beginning using government sources to back up my statements, not press releases from the Whitey House, oops, I meant the White House (looks like I am starting to feel some Obamamania there). You have been throwing this this 3.5M barrel figure which you have yet to substantiate with a credible source.

has anyone seen my cat?

Why we fight...an article today in the NYTimes:
Deals With Iraq Are Set to Bring Oil Giants Back


And who gets to pay the externality of the war cost, the US taxpayer of course, who instead of new bridges, roads and schools has instead many happy oil executives who will of course let some trickle down.
As for the Iraq oil production...graphs are so much better, Iraq oil production peeked in 1990 at 3.7mbd, but this was not sustainable due to sanctions.Up to 2003 the average seems to be around 2.4mbp

from Monthly Energy Review, EIA 2003, via IraqiOil.biz: The Expansion of Iraq’s Oil Production Capacity: A False Prophecy Meets God’s Harsh Reality (gotta love the title)

but the relevant comparison is not to production many years ago, but to current capacity, and there Iraq has been lagging:
from the CSM: Iraq's oil production falls short of goals


The fact is that Iraq oil fields could easily produce much more oil, they should be at 5 or 6 mbd

You forgot to include who the four companies are: Exxon Mobil (US), Shell (Anglo-Dutch), Total (French) and BP (British).


Well, if that is the case, the coalition of the coerced don't seem to be complaining.

Just to put things in perspective (from the same NYT article):




Whose fault is that?

yours, quit wasting time and get back to work

"Low level volunteers" - look at those class distinctions within the Democratic party

His campaign seems to be using this statement more and more often.

They tried the same excuse after some "low-level" NObama people hung up a Cuban Flag with a superimposed pic of Che in the Texas Campaign Election HQ.

Anyone who still assumes action was taken in Iraq in 2003 for oil needs to do a cost-benefit analysis.

Saddam underinvested in Iraq's oil industry from the 1970s on, which is a major reason why it is not producing at peak capacity even at a time of record-high energy prices.

cost-benefit analysis? these clowns in the white house have assigned the costs to the us taxpayer, and the benefits to large government contracters, and probably made all sorts of ridiculous cost-benefit projections. This is not a free-enterprise system as was envisioned by libertarians. This is an oligopoly , perhaps differentiated? will have to think about it

Villager, don't you think it would have been easier to simply lift sanctions on Iraq and Iran if the sole goal was to increase output of oil? That's what I mean by a cost-benefit analysis.

Government contractors also did quite well in the Balkans in the 1990s with Bill Clinton in the White House. The point is, government is too big overall and accountability is de facto nonexistent.

hey, we can agree on that the government is too big.
approx. 500 billion in direct defense spending (excluding war expenses, e.g.l Iraq and Afgan..) per annum,
Iraqi war expenses estimated to be somewhere around 5 trillion,
there is a lot of fat to be cut, but this would require a direct frontal assualt on the military-industrial complex...

Can you imagine anywhere else you would want to see spending cuts, Villager?

The expenses for Iraq are a projection by people who are opponents of Bush, but the costs of military action in 2003 were a major reason I opposed it.

I do not see that there is much else that can be cut economically
interesting poster at http://trentinovation.files.wordpress.com/...h-and-taxes.jpg

Villager, surely you can think of something?