U.S. Presidential Election 2008

She's also a member of the NRA. That won't work by a milestone if the goal is to compare her to Hillary, or to give her backers an alternative. As Hillary fought for gun controls.

I love the word obfuscation and was, the other day talking down to a german, wondering what its equivalent in german was - any idea?

On this we can actually agree, as the feeling is mutual. Next time, when you would like to have a pleasant discourse ... try not throwing a personal attack at your guest first ...

it actually works wonders in promoting open communication.

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Maybe you're right. It could be that I'm doing okay, and the people around me, so I don't (or can't) see the myriad economic problems faced by some.

I think McCain's campaign just 'jumped the shark'.
Picking an unknown and inexperienced journalism major was the worst choice he could make.
Are there no women GOP leaders out there besides her? What were they thinking?
I can only imagine Obama's team jumping for joy when they saw the pick. "This will be easier than we thought!"
On another thought, maybe McCain really believes he can't win and wanted to pick someone whose career wouldn't be ruined by losing this race.

The Republican party's embrace of ignorance is truly embarrassing. How anyone who cares about the future of America could vote for them is simply beyond me... science and education are the single most important advantage a country can have in the coming century... and they want to throw it away.

McCain's VP Wants Creationism Taught in School

I'm guessing Condoleeza told McCain "not on your flipping nelly"

I've voiced the same opinion to my family but I think that if the US would better educate it's youth and encourage it's citizens to get involved in civil duties and politics from youth up, we would have a larger pool of interesting, intelligent and open-minded politicians to choose from.


And the Republicans harp on about Iran and other Islamic Theocratic regimes. Amazing really.

I don't know if anyone brought this up, but the Obama camp just received a new zealous supporter. Whereas before I just expected her to be ambivalent, now I think we will see a quite adamant Hillary "be-damned-if-some-other-woman-gets-prez" Cliton

Starting with remedial punctuation courses.

Seriously, I just watched a long CNN profile on McCain, and the thing that jumped out at me is how long it really takes to become enough of a political hack to be seriously considered as a leading candidate for public office.

It's really surprising one doesn't see more Cincinnatus-style drafting of candidates from the plentiful ranks of sucessful CEOs and/or the military.

Whichever way you look at it, it's in Clinton's best interests for Obama to lose in November. If he were to win the election, he would naturally run again as the incumbent in 2012, meaning that Clinton would only be able to run in 2016 (!?). Clinton doesn't need Obama to continue her career in the senate in the meantime either...

Obama made a major mistake by slighting Clinton and will pay for it dearly, especially when you take into consideration that Biden's added value in relation to the latter is negligible at best.

Very astute comment.


You are a sick sick SICK man!

Who is Sarah Palin? Here's some basic background:

* She was elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage.
* Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.
* She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000.
* Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.
* She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change.
* She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy.
* She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years.
* She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species--she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.

She sounds like Ann Coulter.

Holy crap. So aside from 1.5 years as AK's governor, her previous executive experience was over a town of 8,471. It really boggles the mind.

The speed with which Obama's local spinmeister is churning out propaganda on Palin is an indication of how much he and his ilk fears her.

Fear her? You have got to be kidding me. I can't wait for Biden and her to debate.

It shows just how stupid the Republicans think the average American conservative is. Not that they're wrong, but still...

McCain is insulting women by his choice. He's not sincerely interested in promoting gender equality. This is a ploy that he thinks will attract female voters. Let's see, his logic must be:

Feminist women want to see a woman in the White House so badly that they will blindly vote for a woman who stands for the removal of a women's right to self-determination, teaching mythology as fact in schools and ruining the environment for profit. In other words, George Bush with a pussy. But hey, at least she's a woman.

This does feel like Quale redeux.

Just a note:

PUMAS are actually supporting the McCain/Palin ticket, just confirming to the world that they were never really supporters of Hillary Clinton to begin with. They are in fact Republicans.

It also gives groups like ANTI-PUMA and the CLINTIONISTAS for OBAMA added fuel to their argument that PUMAS are just a cover for a pro-McCain group.

Something else as well. This pick, Palin, is also suppose to divert the Public's attention from the fact that McCain's policies still largely follow those polices of Bush.
So Palin=McCain is not suppose to make you remember Bush=McCain.

Of course, once the novelty fades, there's not much substance from the McCain=Palin ticket, just more patronizing and desperation.

Or as the Times Online put it this morning,

I just love how people on this thread think that arguments only work one way, -their way.

So if you are a democrat you can use the inexperience argument on Palin, but it holds no water if someone uses that argument against Obama and vice versa.

On a personal note, although if I was American i"d tend to lean to the democrats, I'd rather have an inexperienced vice president "learning the ropes" from an old codger than an inexperienced president sometimes confiding in his old codger.

One thing for sure is that it is a far more interesting election than usual.

Women on McCain's Choice

I'm astounded that this woman is trying to reach out to women to help her "break the ultimate glass ceiling afterall".
Take her to a feminist rally and they would tar and feather her.


This is going to backfire in McCain's face.

What's a PUMA?

I don't understand why people are splitting hairs over McCain's choice of Palin, as if Biden, or any other vice-presidential candidate for that matter, hasn't been a political calculation either?!

The Republicans already tried that one!

There is a world of experience difference between the two!

Party Unity My Ass.

edit: see above

what a year or so in the senate doing bugger all!

And proven now, that they are in fact, only voting with their uterus. An educated liberal woman would never ever pick this woman as a representative of her vote. She is every bit of Anti-Hillary's views.

McCain's choice is good because it's a two-pronged attack. He's thrown a wedge in there that targets disaffected Clinton voters, who Obama is still having great difficulty in rallying to his cause as it is, and more importantly, imho, he's made a gesture to his party's conservative base. I see this as win-win for him.


This is simply false. Everyone is free to do as they please and the group isn't endorsing anyone per se.

Hillary Cliton will be sick to the ovaries if this Palin bitch jumps the queue on her.
I like Plain she reminds me of Elaine on Seinfeld.
So I´ll go for the Steve Martin and Elaine Benes ticket - better than that Fresh Prince of Bel-Air mob.

If that is what you think, you would be sorely mistaken and obviously not paying attention.

Is this an accident?

PUMAs

Behind the Scenes Drama

DanHessen's spreadsheet analogy (which we're all assuming contains attributes considered positive by their target demographics) strikes me as even more astute since I watched that CNN McCain profile this morning. One starts to also wonder if it's now necessary to have a second tab on the spreadsheet of enough Oprah-worthy character flaws or exoticism in order for one to even qualify as a credible candidate these days.

Republican ticket:
Marital infiedlity? Check.
Applied for new marriage license before divorce final? Check.
Second wife's family business alcohol-based? Check.
Angelina Jolie-style exotic adoption? Check.
One-time opiate-addicted second wife? Check.
Carpetbagger entry to politics? Check.

Roughneck non-college-educated husband? Check.
Participant in demeaning-of-women beauty pagent? Check.
Downs Syndrome child? Check.

... and that's just the Republicans!

Democratic ticket:
Broken home with weirdo mother? Check.
Former drug user? Check.
Cigarette smoker? Check.
Impecunious half-brother in Africa? Check.
Firebrand preacher? Check.

And to think presidental candidates used to have actual "scandals" that only involved dogs! We really have come a long way in societal acceptance ... or have we genuinely defined deviancy down?

Sarah, Palin and Tall.

So a YouTube video by a random "PUMA" tantamounts to an official endorsement? Whatever you say...

No .. this is. But whatever you want to claim...
If it was just a random member ... Would it not be prudent then, for that member to identify themselves and insert a disclaimer (this message is not supported by the actual PUMA group) instead of using the PUMA name.
PUMA Outed By Super Sleuth

Unfortunately not and maybe now people will see exactly what Hillary meant to the PUMA vagina vote. They weren't electing a politician, they were electing a woman first! They had the audacity to hope we wouldn't recognize it!

Now they are just going to vote against everything they stand for simply to elect a woman. The mind boggles and my gast is flabbered.


Fixed it for you.

My gob is smacked as well.

I completely agree with you.

Some will, not all of them. You're quite keen to point out the mistakes Clinton made in her primary campaign, yet you refuse to admit that the trouble that Obama has gotten himself into with Clinton's voters are his own fault.

But maybe that's part of the master plan. For every "I am woman hear me roar" PUMA he disenfranchises, he's likely picking up two disaffected Gen Xer Republican/independent fence-sitters who may have voted Republican but actually respect the fact that he dissed the pantsuit and tourquise jewelry crowd to gain street cred that he's really all about change ... and letting the $140 dress-wearing attractive professional wife and two cute daughters make the PUMAs look like harpies.

Change a few words and this can also be said about some Obama supporters...They're not electing a politician, they're electinga black man first!

Clarence Thomas wasn't black enough..Sarah Palin isn't feminist enough. I'm beginning to see a pattern.

What trouble? All I saw was Hillary playing the victim of sexism card time and time again!

Check out the memos from Camp Hillary from March of 2007! They pulled the cards, all of the cards! It backfired on them. Change is also about how one campaigns. They failed to recognize that.

As a Hillary supporter, you should be doing what Hillary told you to do. Why aren't you? Or are you a PUMA too?

Ok, I just watched the YouTube video in this post. Does anybody else think she has a really annoying, nasal voice?

Perhaps. But interesting that some Obama supporters do so because they are dedicated to the Democratic Party principles. How many Hillary supporters can say the same?
It was just about her as an individual, not the Party, for some obviously.

There actually is a pattern.

"I want you to ask yourselves: Were you in this campaign just for me? Or were you in it for that young Marine and others like him? Were you in it for that mom struggling with cancer while raising her kids? Were you in it for that boy and his mom surviving on the minimum wage? Were you in it for all the people in this country who feel invisible?"

Hillary Rodham Clinton, Denver, 26 August 2008 (saying what needed to be said and in plain English!).

I am very uncomfortable with the growing evidence that this presidential election is nothing but a personality-based beauty contest on all sides. Even more than usual.

In further proof that PUMAs are all about themselves and how much attention they can garner, and nothing else, leading feline riverdaughter has this to say about the Palin selection:



Hillary and all other thinking voters should be dismayed at the prospect of Palin as president. Many voters said during the primaries that they were perfectly comfortable with having a woman president, just not THIS woman (Hillary.) So now we might have THIS woman (Palin)?!?!?!

I am seriously annoyed at everyone on this forum and elsewhere, writing about voting and thinking and being sick with various female-only body parts, by the way. Can we all just agree that we women vote with our brains, just like you guys, estrogen-addled as our brains obviously are??

(That was a stab at a joke from this humorless feminist. How'd I do?)