U.S. Presidential Election 2008

I guess the Republicans wanted to lock up the Eskimo voting block. How stupid!

Idiot - now Hillary is going to be really pissed off McCain didn't pick her! jk

Can you ever argue your point without attacking the poster and demonizing the opposing view?


Let the Republican sexism commence! hahahhahahahahahahahaaha

Bad strategery on McCain's part.

Of course you can back that up with a source...

And tell me why don't these heavily tax burdened middle class in germany freak out about it? perhaps these tax dollars are put to use in such a way where the taxpayer is more or less fine with that.

No, they want the oil! They want to tie drilling in Alaska to energy, economy and security. They want to continue screwing Mother Nature for short term gain. He also wants the female vote that will not vote for a black guy (he is down by over 20% with women).

I, personally, am waiting for Hustler to offer her money to pose naked.

Her kid's names are : Track, Trig, Bristol, Willow, and Piper... I think that shows a poor taste in judgment. Will the taxpayers have to foot the cost for her husband's Igloo?


God I know, those fertile Tundras must be protected no matter what.

As a former Alaska resident let me say - Fuck Alaska.

That's a very poor excuse to help. To be honest, this approach is equivalent to changing the channel when the Unicef commercial comes on and calling that a solution.

Yes, you can always find someone who's got a tragedy, but that's no reason not to try to reduce the probability of tragedies occurring in the first place.

I agree completely, I just think that it is My job to protect myself against these possible tragedies. Actually of all of those tales of woe the only legitimate one is the family bankrupted by the illness.

Re-read the post. I criticized your viewpoint, yes, but accurately (it's allowed, BTW). There was no personal attack on you whatsoever.


Yes, I can. It has also previously been discussed on another thread. Germany's political culture is a bit different from that of the US and if you actually talk to middle class taxpayers here they definitely do not think they are undertaxed (generally to the contrary). Probably the prime reason taxes fall more heavily on the middle class here is that the consumption tax is much higher.

Palin's kinda cute.

Is funny that they have been nailing Obama on experience and pick a 44 year old who has a whole year of experience as governer.

At least age wise they average out to someone who doesn't need adult diapers.

She is very conservative, and McCain isn't generally very popular with the VERY conservative voter. It was probably a smart move on his part.

But man, who is going to raise her FIVE kids?? She's going to be quite busy as VP, not that I will be voting for that ticket...

So you're saying everyone has to watch out for themself? So just because you (up until now) have been able to do that, you think all people are equally as capable? if that's what you're saying that's not a very realistic view of how diverse people are.


which with universal health care would not happen, and people would also sleep better knowing such a thing could not happen. don't believe me? ask a canadian.

Palin is a bold pick, and because of her lack of top-level political experience, also a risky one. Whether it was the right decision to choose her remains to be seen.

Yes, on second thought... if McC dies in office, do we want this woman running the country?? I had barely heard of her.

Better her than Biden.

you think mccain is going to require sexual favors for bringing palin out of arctic obscurity?

No, I'm saying if you're a steelworker and there are no steel mills in your area, you find another job or move to where there are steel mills. Would universal healthcare help someone keep their house when they can't work because of extended care or reabilitation?

I get your point that all people do not have the same abilities, and yes everyone should watch out for themself, but when they absolutely can't, then, as a last resort,the Government should provide a minimum of support.

LOL yes but McC has a higher chance of croaking than Obama. Obama may have a higher chance of being assassinated, though...

Well, people do take issue with you but can't be arsed to stand up to your often ridiculous replies. Anyway,

2 pages back in this thread


We're not stupid and can read between the lines. The patronising tone is rather insulting/offensive, seeing as you are A ) just some dude on a board, and not an authority on anything, despite what the mirror might be telling you. If it's not intended to attack someone, then don't write like that.

In reference to my request for you to back up a statement of "the truth"

Well then, do that. Give me a link. I'm only dishing out your own medicine so maybe one day you'll realize your hypocrisy. I know it's basically beating a dead horse, but anyway, then link your source as you often like demand from everyone, before you decide to listen. I use the word listen very loosely here.

You are one of the last people who should be bringing up hypocrisy since you cannot be bothered to criticize your fellow leftists or admit your own errors/hypocrisy. Nor have you learned much, if anything, about the US. I am going away for the weekend, but you'll get your source when I feel like giving it to you (as I recall, it was a Forbes article citing OECD and national data). Just curious- do you actually doubt me, or are you just trying to give me a hard time?

I was not 100% for Obama/Biden before, but now I am.

Just because she (Palin) can lead a state with less than 700,000 people and with no experience in foreign affairs doesn't mean that she can lead a nation of 300,000,000. If elected, McCain would be awfully old for a president, and I don't want her as vice president if he were to die in office.

Somehow I am not surprised to see that you were able to spin McCain's choice in less than three nanoseconds after the announcement


Track and Trig sound the names that Gary Larson would use in his Far Side caveman cartoons...


Uhm... Obama is too inexperienced to be president, which is why a ticket with Clinton and the latter as VP would've have made more sense.

This is a very interesting choice my McCain. He's certainly thrown the media and the pc-types who are fawning over Obama's minority status a quality curveball - wedge politics at their best.


So you would rather elect someone who is under qualified, but who has someone who is a better backup, than elect someone who is qualified, but has someone who is backing him up who isn't as experienced?

In Canada if you are on official medical related leave (we have that - like a doctor's note to the employer but more official), your employer has to pay a large fraction of your income. If you go onto long-term disability, the government pays your costs. meagre, but people get by.

From your second statement, sounds like you're screwed if you're handicapped.

I think that Obama is much more qualified than Palin is. At least he has served in the US Senate at the national level and has some foreign affairs experience. Also, I'm not a big fan of many of John McCain's ideas and policies. Regardless of what you say about Obama's experience, he's better suited to leading the US.

and yet you want a guy that has never led anything and has no experience in foreign affairs as President. Interesting...

Does anyone else see the irony here?

Obama says I don't look like the normal candidate (Rich, old, white guy that's been around Washington for years) but selects that for his running mate.

McCain says I have more experience than the other guy, and selects the opposite for his run ning mate.

Are we in some kind of bizarro, reverse universe? Did each pick the others ideal candidate?

But McCain has insured that no matter who wins, hiostory will be made!

Is it me or did McCain pick Palin as a running mate to boost his chances of presidency as opposed to actually choosing someone who is competent to be Vice President. Plus she participated in the Miss Alaska contest and lost.

Yeah, that's true. George H. W. Bush did the same with Dan Quayle. And, it actually worked - nobody wanted to off Bush because they were more afraid of what kind of idiot Quayle really was.

Can anyone say "potatoe"?

Yes, but Obama is the presidential candidate. Palin is the vice-presidential candidate. Catch my drift?


And why did Ms. Universe pick Biden? To find a cure for cancer?

McCain's pick is going to force Clinton to campaign harder, which will ultimately highlight how much more qualified she is than Obama. Either that, or let things go and expect women to vote en masse for McCain/Palin. It'll be damn if you, damn if you don't.

Typical slippery response. In all my time on TT, you have never once said "I was wrong." A flat out apology is unimaginable. Doesn't that tell you something about yourself? I admit when I'm wrong, and I think that eurovol is often wacked out, KK isn't always there with the whole "backup" thing, but at least she inspires thought. I don't take issue with those sorts because they don't go around like the biggest know-it-alls. Even if they did, their tone is not nearly so patronising and self-righteous.

Of course I'm trying to give you a hard time. I find your style of posting highly annoying. You're not bulletproof, nobody is, so stop expecting yourself and others to be, then perhaps conversations in this thread won't always dissolve into pettiness.

Erm... huh? Clinton's out.

Clinton is out, but she'll be expected to help out, will she not?

Uhm... Obama is NOT too inexperienced and Clinton lost! Get that through your head. Clinton lost because with all of her experience she fucked up her campaign. If she can't run a campaign, she sure as hell can't run a country!

Its 3AM and a moose calls, who answers the phone?

There is no correlation between candidate experience and the ability to run a successful campaign.

Anyway, I'm getting my "Don't blame me, I voted for Hillary" t-shirt ready for November.

How can people vote for her when she won't even be on the ballot??

what? I fail to see the link. Bush won an election campaign and he couldn't run a country.

I'm sure the republicans will carry on with their intense smear tactics and scrape a victory out of it, thanks to the "Praise the Lord, buy your guns here" types.

Bush lost (probably twice, but for sure the first time). AND his campaign sucked. It was nothing more the conservative attacks and lying garbage!

My t-shirt'll have "in the primaries" in small print.

You know, I have to say this though: AGAIN I have to choose the least bad candidate rather than the best candidate for the job. When is the US going to have more than just two big political parties???

I wonder is she a Steven Seagal or Jean-Claude Van Damme fan?

She just gave a good speech (started out sounding like a Sorority Sue) and it is a smart move by McCain.

Before we all get TOO excited:
How McCain might win and crush liberal America for a generation:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/20...bama.johnmccain

And here is an interesting pendent to the demonising of Ex President Carter:

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/comme...ica-912207.html

There were neighborhood parties everywhere waiting to see Obama accept.

Hope not Dope

Exactly! Would love to meet the Airhead who recommended Palin to McCain & Co. I can already picturize loads of PowerPoint slides showing the pie chart analysis of demographics, the swing factor and the % of women not happy about Hilary not making history and the killer slide on why Palin should be the VP candidate. The asterisk on the numbers and the accompanying footnote at the bottom which explains that the decisions have a +/- 10% error margin and sample size being 10 women will ofcourse be in Arial 8 font!

That was fast. I figured he would wait until they got into the Oval office.

Bad copy writing...

She kinda looks like Dr. Melfi from the sopranos with that haircut.

VP material...

But running the Senate, well, you're all for it.

By all means, let's start with the sexist bashing! Carry on.