U.S. Presidential Election 2008

Quick poll, what will get media play after BHO is the official candidate?

1. Michelle's whitey tape
2. BHO bashing america from Kenya while supporting his cousin
3. Biden family lobby issues
4. Sketchy BHO mentor
5. More on Biden plagarism
6. Some racist Biden quotes
7. Sketchy BHO deals with ACORN
8. Details on the BHO forgotten brother
9. Illegal donations to BHO from abroad
10. Something new about BHOs support for PBAs
11. Ayers connections
12. Redzko connections
13. Something else (photos at Mecca? BHOs koran notes? Michelle's thesis?)

Don't try to knock these down, we have seen most of the arguments against or admit some are just kooky out there.

What do you think will get pushed in the media over the next 3 months?

Same for McCain

1. Age
2. Health
3. Houses
4. First wife
5. Culpability in Forrestal accident
6. Overplaying POW card
7. Racism (??)
8. Some sketchy story about Cindy (KK, I never saw a link on this one)
9. Affair innuendo (or fact)
10. Ties to Bush
11. Keating 5
12. Propensity for sex with aliens
13. Something else?

I think there may be something in the Ayers connection for BHO or maybe the Biden family lobby story.

For McCain, he may get hit for pulling out the POW every day.

In the search of unbiased information, if that's at all possible, can someone quickly explain C-SPAN and C-SPAN 2 ?

I've got both of them over the net, and at the moment (perhaps purely because of the convention right now), CSPAN looks like the Dem channel, and CSPAN 2 the Rep channel.

Is that generally true? If so, do you watch both?

Funny how you have all those links to bogus shit at the ready. As you have shown by that, the "right" will push them all and insinuate until their noses grow a mile long.

It will be age versus perceived inexperience. It will be about the economy stupid. It will be less and less about Iraq due to Bush caving in (and by so doing helping McCain) on a timeline. It will be about individual states and the electoral college chess match while failing miserably to show Obama's simpler game of electoral college checkers.

That is my prediction.

Ameris don't watch either!

Way too boring. Even more boring than CNN.

Anyone who doesn't believe what I wrote yesterday about Hillary being damned if she does support Obama, and damned if she doesn't, in Obama supporters' eyes, take it from today's Washington Post editorial page:

I agree. Iraq is going out of play. The media can do age and experience without ruffling too many feathers.

Is inexperience the new code word for black? "He is articulate but inexperienced." I just saw a story that maybe race will actually play a role, since some people will have problems voting that way. Who'd a thunk that in America?

I know the bridges were burned, but a BHO+HRC or HRC+BHO ticket would have been a winner IMHO.

Ah yes, an editorial from you perhaps?

Yes, but the Administration and the Country would have been the losers. Too many cooks spoil the broth!

Aaaargh! Somebody wanted to kill Obama!! FBI looking into apparent plot to kill Obama in Denver (German article)
English article

I actually saw this on dailykos. They were apparently scheduled to stay in the stinky hotel where the bust went down, but they moved to get into a cleaner place...

I bet Hillary is behind this. Cant trust the Clinton gang.

I was in downtown St. Paul last night, right across the street from the Excel Energy Center where the Republicans are holding their shindig next week, and I saw lots of shady-looking characters lurking around. Casing the joint, no doubt.

Yup, eurovol, I'm really Marie Coco. cinzia is my mild-mannered alter ego.

Ya know, she would be my first suspect if something/anything happened to Obama. She has the most to gain by taking him out. Not even McCain has much to gain by taking him out, but the Clintons? They have EVERYTHING to gain by taking him out.

And McCain has had death threats as well...

Notice the Men In Suits

Has there ever been an election year when the candidates haven't had to be concerned about security?

Here's the Wiki link page - Wiki

Obviously not ... otherwise 'traditional family values' would be shorthand for adultery. Makes no sense does it.
You're from Alabama ... so I recongize you may project a lot of southern attitudes ... one of the foregoing problems with Americans.

Think they will "Foster" him?

Those were nutjob nazis (as opposed to your normal everyday nazis I guess).

Plus they were Meth heads, not the high-class coke preferred by BHO.

What a crock of pompous horseshit. Southerners, Clinton supporters... Anyone else you'd like to remove from the democratic process?

Don't stick all the racism on the South. There have been plenty of problems up North too. Irish and Italian, Catholics and Jews, etc. Plus out west with Native Americans and and Mexicans. Cubans in Miami. And Canadians. Everybody hates them

BTW, I am still pulling for Condi as veep. I know it won't happen and I know it is probably the wrong choice, but I can dream.

One way to get rid of stereotype is to have the stereotype be obviously incorrect. Most blacks vote dem, BHO is dem in the tradition of Jessie Jackson, stereotypes will remain no matter the outcome.

If there was ever any notion that Hillary has the power to do more... one need only take a glimse at the behind the scenes action.

Tensions behind the Scenes




But the good thing is that people are moving forward...despite.
Clinton Supporters Warming To Obama

The fact that she wasn't seriously taken into consideration is unacceptable in itself.

You have used this quote multiple times.

The way I read this, BHO never had her as a "serious contender" so they never asked.

Don't blame her for backing out, blame BHO for not stepping up and considering her "seriously".

This is just as insulting as not having her on the list at all. How could she NOT be a serious contender after winning a majority of the popular vote* (* if you count MI)

If the sterotype is incorrect, then why would you presume to equate race with a persons perceived inexperience?

why? She and her husband have been embroiled in so many dodgy doings in the past that Hilary would be a tainted candidate in any case. If she had won the nomination the pall of sleaze would have dragged her down. I guess Obama did not want to be dragged down too so Clinton would not have been in the running. Besides Obama, as presidential candidate has a responsibility to choose a running mate who reflects what the American people want and not just what the fundamentalist Clinton-nutters want.

And yet there are still some that think Obama is to blame for Hillary's lost.

Um, remember that meeting some months back when just her and Obama met face to face, no advisors or media in the room, before she conceeded the nomination to Obama? (Because afterall, he had the delegate count needed to win) What do you think they discussed? The theory is that it had something to do with Hillary's debts (and how much Obama would assist her with -- him being the bad guy 'n all) ...and/or what role she would play at the DNC (a pretty prominent one...as the Convention line up is published). I remember the reporting of it vividly.

In the DNC, it's not the popular vote that gets the nod... it's the delegate count. Want to change the process, join the DNC and make the changes possible.

Hillary supporters have yet to recongize this, although I hold out hope.

Timing is everything. Hillary was apparently told just after her kinda-concession speech, suspending her campaign, that she would not be considered for the VP slot. I think she deserved to take a break from the campaign trail at that point, don't you?

I don't have a problem with Hillary not getting the VP nod, myself. I still believe she'll find something more useful to do with her time.

As for your quote, KK:


Well, yeah, it is up to Obama to accommodate them. They are a large chunk of the party.

Just wait until the shit hits Saint Obama's fan! You won't even know what hit him...

Uhmm... I don't think that he had an obligation to pick her, however the lengths that he has gone to snub her and the Clinton legacy are particularly cheap and will cost him dearly in the long run.

He certainly had a responsibility, both personally and politically (i.e, "professionally"), to take into consideration a candidate who won 18 million votes and who he was not even able to finish off until the very end of the primary process thanks in large part to backroom politicking.

It's that arrogance, you realize, that gets Hillary supporters into trouble.

Years ago, AAs in the states were not generally well-educated. Being articulate was atypical. Now Biden calling Barack "articulate" was played as a racist insult.

Now BHO is described as "inexperienced". He nearly called Clarence Thomas "inexperienced". Perhaps this is entering the lexicon as a new racist slur?

If you ask where would BHO be if he were white, you are labeled a racist. This is along the same vein as "inexperience", as in he got to this position without the requisite experience possibly due to quotas or other measures.

I honestly was trying to make light of this as possible newspeak. Go ahead and blame it on my southern sensibilities, you damn yankee.

BTW, where is a link to that Cindy McCain dirt? You teased but never delivered...

More Camp Nobama Grade A HORSESHIT. When Obama was behind in the delegate count, his acolytes were screaming bloody murder as they were convinced that the "establishment" candidate would get the nomination in spite of what the "people" had voted for. When the tables were turned, they suddenly changed tactics and started to preach about playing by the rules and the importance of delegates. I mean, please.

It's that arrogance that makes me wonder why they would want to stay with the DNC.

HRC PUMAs are probably mostly female. I think the main issue many women consider is abortion.

I thought I read McCain would leave it up to the states to decide. I doubt another SCOTUS appointee would swing Roe, but I am not a judicial scholar.

Obama is the other extreme, effectively voting against bills that would require medical care for botched abortion babies.

Maybe McCain can pull more (some) PUMAs since he is a little more centrist than BHO?

Not to mention the superdelegate mess. And caucuses? What the heck does TX do?

The Dem primary was a disaster. State parties could not be held in line, rules and penalties were all screwed up, they beat themselves to death and spent millions. However, fun to watch at times!

The Pubs did a good thing with FL and MI. You get half the delegates for screwing around. Everyone is on the ballots. Your vote is counted (partially).

I believe a complete overhaul is needed. Make all primaries on the same day, all a vote not caucases, and have the primary in March.
Edit: Oh and all open primaries. None of this declare your party crap.

a little disgruntled huh?
Why accept the reality of the matter when you're hellbent on believing the b.s being fed to you by the spin doctors?

Face it, Obama had to fight and fight hard for his delegates, but he followed the rules all along. Contrast that with Clinton, who figured the 'establishment' would give her a nod regardless. Get over it already. Obama had the winning strategy and won himself a spot in Denver.

This is the stupidest post I have seen in the last ten minutes.

The whole point of having some small states early is very democratic, so that the guys with little funding have a chance to get some traction. Having super Tuesday or every state early on would end up being a battle of the big well-funded guys.

Open primaries? Open for what? In America, we have two parties... Why call it a primary then? Isn't that just an election?


HRC also shot herself in the foot. She was in the media looking like an idiot with that stupid story about sniper fire.

BHO seemed charismatic and without negative history.

KK, where is that story on Cindy McCain?

Thumps up and yea.

Bite me. In my home state of Indiana - you must declare a party in the primary. That shuts out Independents like me. I say - open it up so that you don't have to declare a party. period.

Very ignorant thing to say. Would you also say that to eurovol (a proud Tenneessean)?


This would be a rare point of agreement between us.

BTW, moctoj, I can't figure out why you keep watching a news channel you hate so much if it's that painful for you. One other thing- given some of your previous posts, it looks as though you are the sort of voter that economic demagoguery is aimed at.

How hard is it to pick a candidate, then declare a party? You aren't bound in the election and you can change the next time around.

Many people did it this year for Operation Chaos from what I hear.

If you are really independent, you probably support some fringe party that never has a primary, they just put up a sacrificial lamb. So why complain?

Although, your open primary may be a good idea in some ways. I thought people should vote for Colbert. Some could vote twice (since he was trying to get on the Dem and Pub tix in SC. I think they have primaries on different days). He could never get on the ballot AFAIK.

Look, in Indiana you can't vote in the primary unless you declare a party. You get either a republican ticket or democratic ticket. I've never wanted to vote in a primary before this year because of that rule. I registered as a Dem so that I could vote in the primary this year as a Democratic Abroad. That doesn't mean that I will vote a straight ticket in November.
And, Conky, you ask why I watch Fox? Because I didn't find the C Span feed until later. You see, we have Sky digital and the only live feed of American News is Fox (argh). Sure we have CNN Int'l and BBC Int'l but sometimes, I want a live feed on tv. The other news channels are Sky News (another UK news feed), CNBC (sometimes American live news feeds) and Al Jaheera (oh boy). Thankfully, BBC Parliment saved the day. Now I can sleep tonight and not worry I'm missing something.

What other posts? What are you implying?

Here's short list

1. Criminial Felony charges from her charity (got out of serving jail time due to plea deal..payed a fine)
2. Plagerism charges (a little lie about some "family" recipes swiped from the Food Network...raises questions of integrity in the McCain camp)
3. Drug addict (admittedly.. no one knows for certain if this is still the case)
4. Half sister that was discovered and reported as saying 'she's angry at been hidden'
5. The nicely scripted dirty lie about Mother Teresa and the adobtion of her kid put a whole lot of people off
6. Her refusal to release tax returns raised eyebrows
7. Then there's the questionable aqusitions of Anheuser-Busch’s Budweiser and the plausible conflict of interest on McCain in alcohol restrictions/laws
8. Anheuser-Busch execs have also apparently been signing contracts and investing hundreds of millions in brewery operations in China and Vietnam
9. Of course the houses that she owns, but he shares with her (reportedly he shares only four)
10. James Hensley, Cindy's father is an ex-con and felon

That's just a start... hardly the Belle of the Ball.

I applyed my statement to gatzke for a reason. Don't think you can pop in and stir up shit.

Ho hum, the usual sort of stuff KK posts.

1. Don't know what that was about, but I wouldn't rely on your version of it.
2. Both Obama and Biden have been accused of plagiarism (Obama of a Deval Patrick speech and apparently Biden's was much more serious and the charge was accurate) Yet you go bonkers about recipes?
3. Obama has admitted previous drug use (one could also claim no one knows if this is still the case) CMC was addicted to painkillers.
4. Who is the half-sister and who "hid" her? After your defense of Obama for ignoring his half-brother living in poverty, how can you criticize anyone else for their relationship to some half-sibling?
5. No idea what you are talking about here.
6. Why should she release her tax returns? Would you release yours? She is not a candidate, has never been one, and she keeps her financial affairs separate. Ever heard of privacy?
7. No idea what you are talking about here. Probably more innuendo.
8. What does that have to do with Cindy McCain? Why wouldn't Anheuser-Busch try to expand abroad? The company is going to be bought by a Belgian company, BTW.
9. So she owns houses- so what? Is she supposed to live in penury? I see no problem with home ownership. Let me guess- you see no problem with Obama's house dealings with Rezko, and Biden's with a credit card company executive?
10. Assuming that is true, what does that have to do with Cindy?

Of course, you provide no sources, KK, nor do you even try to substantiate your wild claim of TV networks being bribed to keep stuff silent about her.

You wouldn't vote for her anyway so wtf do you care?

No one needs to ask for permission to comment on a public forum, least of all from you. Just because you have an attitude doesn't mean you won't get called out on for making ignorant comments like this one:

So, KK, what was your reason for making this statement, and what were you trying to say? What are "southern attitudes"?

Uhhh... I voted for her in the primaries...

I have neither the time nor the interest to hunt down specific articles for YOU. There's nothing I've writted here that hasn't been hot on the press for months. You need to start doing your homework. You can't expect the conservative airwaves to reveal what she's all about. BTw, all reports lead to the ethics and questionable character that is plaguing the McCains and makes one take a second look at applying a vote to it.

That's rich, KK, coming from a person who has been caught lying about and misrepresenting McCain votes, doesn't always cite her sources, and has yet to substantiate claims such as TV networks being bribed.

Surely you should know where you got that stuff about McCain's wife. Scared to admit where you got it from? Or did you just make some of it up?

Even Michelle Obama dropped her attitude last night, if only for one speech. Maybe KK can eventually drop hers about Southerners and her other targets.

Michelle Osama made a speech at the convention last night she said her husband was a virgin when they married and his sexual suppression will probably surface at some time, like most cheese dick Democrats - however if he tries to cheat her she will whip his butt with a birch rod so hard he will be yelping and howling for his mummy.