U.S. Presidential Election 2008

Dude, every "socialism" remark you make is repugnant and offensive. Mostly cause you don't even know what the meaning is. You use it as an insult. Look in the mirror before you make more judgments!

Oh yeah, I largely agree with BtC's analysis of what went wrong with East Germany too.
The Saumagen just didn't keep his wife in the dark, he deliberately fucked up the new states and left us in the west with the bill for it to ensure his place in the history books as "The Unity Chancellor".

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I guess time will tell. But I stll hold to my guns that money is better spent in the hands of those who earn it.

And yea the economy is slower, but still strong compared to the continent.

You are obviously a radical, comrade.

Clearly, the government should have > 50% of your money. You can trust them to spend it wisely, they are the government.

As everyone knows, the constitution guarantees all Ameris healthcare, 6 weeks vacation, and public transit.

this is no longer the case. Germany (2.7%,) France (2%) et al all currently forecast growth while the Irish economy is at a standstill

I don't know where people get the idea from that people who identify as socialists or communists or Marxists necessarily want the government or quasi governmental agencies to tax a regular working individuals income at a rate of greater than 50% ?

What could be done NOW to improve the situation in eastern Germany?
Education and infrastructure investment are the first things that spring to mind.
But, I don't really want to be in the game of playing of one set of workers against another to be honest.

Just curious MT. In your opinion, what action would help the East come out of it's economic problems? I would suggest tax incentives.

The US Government is a socialist institution that is democratically elected to form a Republic.

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The Constitution is truly a great document, but far too few people have read it or even understand it for themselves and far too many try to interpret it for the masses and their interpretations are not always in the best interest of the people. I am not talking Judges here, I am talking those that judge others.

Has this not been already tried? I mean it has been 18 years.

The US Government is a socialist institution that is democratically elected to form a Republic.

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The Constitution is truly a great document, but far too few people have read it or even understand it for themselves and far too many try to interpret it for the masses and their interpretations are not always in the best interest of the people. I am not talking Judges here, I am talking those that judge others.

kind of. But a lot of the money for investment was poorly controlled soft money, which has a tendency to produce large unwieldy cash drains that fail. Which is why I think the German state should be investing in or even setting up its own venture managed funds. It has only done that to a very limited level to date and most of those funds are currently here in Bavaria or over in the Rheinland.

I think I disagree completely with that. It is the kind of idiotic point that might be made with a flourish in a school debating competition but it lacks any real political insight and rather suggests you eurovol don't understand what socialism is either.

Well, I certainly hope they do something. All my friends in Germany are very frustrated with their government and the years it has taken to rebuild the East. Of course, my company does enjoy the excellent engineers that have been coming to Atlanta over the past 12 years. At least our company is benefiting from the exudos of good talented engineers due to the economy. :lol

Note: just trying to lighten the mood here, no offense intended to anyone.

I always interpreted the constitution as a documen that was meant to define our freedom and to proect those freedoms.

Well, I certainly hope they do something. All my friends in Germany are very frustrated with their government and the years it has taken to rebuild the East. Of course, my company does enjoy the excellent engineers that have been coming to Atlanta over the past 12 years. At least our company is benefiting from the exudos of good talented engineers due to the economy. :lol

I think I disagree completely with that. It is the kind of idiotic point that might be made with a flourish in a school debating competition but it lacks any real political insight and rather suggests you eurovol don't understand what socialism is either.

This is a matter of opinion but...

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A lot of Americans have become so insulated from reality that they imagine that America can suffer defeat without any inconvenience to themselves.

Pause a moment, reflect back.

These events are actual events from history..

They really happened!!!

Do you remember?

1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by aMuslim male extremist.

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by Muslim male extremists.

3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over byMuslim male extremists.

4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by Muslim male extremists.

5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by Muslim male extremists.

6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by Muslim male extremists.

7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by Muslim male extremists.

8. In 1988 , Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed byMuslim male extremists.

9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by Muslim male extremists.

10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzaniawere bombed by Muslim male extremists.

11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take down the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by Muslim male extremists.

12. In 2002 the United States fought a war inAfghanistan against Muslim male extremists.

13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by-- you guessed it-- Muslim male extremists.

No, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you? So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people... Absolutely No Profiling!

They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winner and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave Muslim Males alone lest they be guilty of profiling.

And Now:
For the award winning Act of Stupidity Of all times the People of America want to elect, to the most Powerful position on the face of the Planet -- The Presidency of the United states of America ... A Muslim Male Extremist.

Have the American People completely lost their Minds, or just their Power of Reason???

I'm sorry but I refuse to take a chance on the 'unknown' candidate Obama...( who is about 1/3 mulium)

Let's send this to as many people as we can so that the Gloria Aldreds and other stupid attorneys along with Federal Justices that want to thwart common sense, feel ashamed of themselves -- if they have any such sense.

As the writer of the award winning story 'Forrest Gump' so aptly put it,
'Stupid Is As Stupid Does'

Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media outlet...do it!
or just delete if you disagree.

rather suggests you eurovol don't understand what socialism is either.

It would be more accurate to say 1-13 were committed by nutjobs and some were for religious nutjob reasons. I could compile a similar list of Christian nutjob perpetrators.

It would be more accurate to say 1-13 were committed by nutjobs and some were for religious nutjob reasons. I could compile a similar list of Christian nutjob perpetrators.

and those are just a selection. In total over the years of conflict in Northern Ireland and mainland UK 3523 people lost their lives because of a fight inspired by two extreme interpretations of the christian religion and the sectarian struggle it caused. The last attack and deaths occurred in 2006. In total that is 549 more people than died in all the attacks on September 11 2001 in the USA.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16860
Eurovol and other lefties can learn a lot from the above post. Enjoy

"... Medicaid, food stamps, supplementary security income, temporary assistance to needy families, child day-care payments, child nutrition payments, foster care, adoption assistance, and health insurance for children..."

That's the way I see it. America could solve alot of its problems if it wasn't so busy spending money on defence.

National defense is the one thing that actually is in the US constitution. Again, national health care is not.

The highest number to which a standing army can be carried in any country does not exceed one hundredth part of the souls, or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This portion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Besides the advantage of being armed, it forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. The governments of Europe are afraid to trust the people with arms. If they did, the people would surely shake off the yoke of tyranny, as America did. Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors.

Which article or ammendment regards national defense? The framers intent was to have a weak standing military and a citizen militia, not spend trillions of federal tax dollars invading other countries. I'm sure they could wiggle health care into the interstate commerce clause, its how the feds have usurped so much other power.

Military domination will be or is becoming a relic of the past. This process began with the dropping of the atomic bomb. Economic domination is the modern means of societal control.

Article 1.8, "to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence" also
"To declare War, "
"To raise and support Armies,"
"To provide and maintain a Navy;"

I also searched for "national health care" and "welfare payments" and "free abortions" but that apparently was not written into the constitution. They must be implied powers...

Everybody needs equal access to health care, but not everyone needs a baseball stadium (ie in promoting the general welfare). However, that didn't stop Bush from screwing over the tax payers of Texas in his baseball stadium deal.

Military domination will be or is becoming a relic of the past. This process began with the dropping of the atomic bomb. Economic domination is the modern means of societal control.

I am tired of arguing US social policy with people that aren't even USians ('cept you eurovol, you'll always be my favorite )