U.S. Presidential Election 2008

Guess your reading comprehension isn't that good. Said I wouldn't sell myself out to be liked or make friends.

Born in 67' I guess you would have been eligible for the military about '85(83 if you were so inclined).

My question is what have you done that makes you able to speak for the military?
Btw the bashing goes both ways Stateside and this side of the pond.

@Slowcal

then my point was correct then. Suggest you and Badbob just get a room then as he is the only other headbanging mad religious warmonger on here

Good for you! These libs on Toytown are always whining like little babies. I been on TT for years and have never met anyone (don't really care to either). They are mostly liberal crybabies who play like that are ssoooooo sophisticated. In reality, they're a bunch of euro-losers.

Get a soul!...and learn to read.

Now I'll really do your head in (see, I'm learning British English, but I'll never get the accent down) I'm not religious at all and nothing I've posted would ever lead any thinking individual to think that I am religious. I just goes to show how single minded people are. They just think in pre-determined pattens. As far as warmongering I'd like to see how quickly your tune would change if you were forced to live under a tyrannical regime like the Soviet Union. It's no mystery that the former east block nations tend to be more pro U.S. because they lived it.

They'd hang Bell in Iran.

Again, while forces were stationed to protect Europe. What were you doing?
I'm trying to get an idea how you can speak with such authority without having actually done something.

Finally, if you don't like Europe why are you here?

if you are not religious then SlowCal I'm afraid BadBob can't have you.

If your not gay, Bell will still try to have you.

That was funny

i had a drink with an East German who was living in Prague at the time the Berlin Wall came down. He pointed out that much good has come with the fall of communism a lot of good was also lost and that his life as a gay East German was actually relatively easy under Communism. The picture as ever SlowCal is rather more complicated than your idiotic simplifications would imply.

Go figure... Do you know anyone who is not gay?

I was in the military briefly but in the late 80's the U.S. military was actually downsizing and thus people were allowed to leave to pursue other things. I only answered that question to show I'm not afraid of anything you can throw at me, but I didn't need to on the grounds that it is totally irrelevant. Bill Clinton was never in the military and he was elected commander in chief. You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows, oh wait, did I just plagiarize someone?

Lastly, are you kidding? It's too much fun bantering back and forth with you guys. Besides, the krauts do have us beat on the beer front. Schneider Weisse!

Ok son good for you. Tell me which unit where you were stationed and where did basic.

See most of my friends in the States were Rotc brats that went to OTC or enlisted or Marine recruits (including a girl marine...cute but she was someone I would never mess with).
So I got a healthy sense of respect for what it was about...and they don't talk like you and never will...thats only my suspicion.

Again...you don't like Europe or the people here or both...well theres a nice big door open for ya...go jump a fence.

What? Is that it? No more?

Where the hell were you at?

everyone's life was probably easier under communism. A job no matter how poorly you performed, no competing for market share, no rush to complete projects on time or within budget. As long as you did what you said and were happy with the shit products available you could have a decent life.

And you can go jump it too...not respecting our entire European snotty, gay way of life...seriously c'mon

Edit: should this thread get back to the vote? maybe???

I was also in ROTC at Cal. State Univ., Long Beach. Give em a call, Maybe they still have my M-16 qualifying record on hand. As I said, in the 80's the U.S. Army was downsizing and active duty military never even saw the business end of an AK-47. So spare me the, "you don't have a right to talk" b.s. That is so childish I can't even comprehend it. It's really just a cover for lack of any real argument.

Ha...whose arguing?

Talk is cheap......its quite simple...if you can't handle a little negativity about the U.S from the leute here in Germany...what are you doing here? Book it one way

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In my opinion no. You've had 51 pages of "the vote" which is really just two sides of the same coin anyway. Besides, this is much more interesting. Hats off to everybody for a good, well spirited debate.

Oh, I can handle it alright. Just remember whose boss around here, O.K.? It's our planet and don't forget it!

Now, if anyone took that last comment seriously I can say with absolute certainty YOU HAVE NO SENSE OF HUMOR!

I wish people would stop trying to show their sense of humour over the internet

By the way, if you want to talk about "gay" it's those stupid little yellow face things people put at the end of a comment. Notice I never use them.

Yes you do....i kidd

plenty. But last night I was at the les-bi-gay-trans Thursday TT drinks.

Yeah, rock on!

actually he precifically meant that life as a gay east german was better before communism came to an end. The East Germans had an equal age of consent and had legislation against harassment and discrimination and though there were no civil partnerships the DDR recognised relationships in the provision of services and housing.

By contrast west germany in 1989 had an unequal age of consent, several antigay laws and widespread discrimination and harrassment of gay people.

Hey BTC...do you think that things might change for the better with a new administration?

in the US? I certainly hope so

So you weren't talking about economically better?

Seems ironic that a government that would not tolerate politcal dissent accepted homosexual relationships.

What exactly do you mean with, "change for the better?" Let's be specific for a change, huh? Since American domestic policy doesn't concern you I can only infer that you mean, ta da, American foreign policy. Well, as you may have read my first posting on this thread way back on page 51 I think, Obama, having clinched the Democratic nomination, has already backed off of his commitment to pull the U.S. out of Iraq within 30 to 60 days. Yep, the Dems were played the fool once again, just like the 2006 mid term elections where they won control of both houses on congress (quite a bit of power) on the promise to end the war in Iraq. Never happened. Same will be true if Obame becomes pres. Dream on!!!

Whatever favors the US has done in the past to gain the approval of the world have been squandered.

I want specifics. Do tell...How, when, etc.

Yep, that's what I thought.

war crimes in Vietnam war, Destruction of democracy in Chile, USA supported the military junta in Greece 1967-1974, Support for Pol Pot genocide, Training of terrorists in Latin America, Funding, weapons and training for Nicaraguan terrorists, Illegal mining of Managua harbour, Support for Indonesian massacre of Chinese, Invasion of Haiti, Invasion of Panama, Invasion of Grenada, Killing thousands of innocent Afghans, Environmental delinquency, First use of nuclear weapons in Japan in WW2, Murder of innocent thousands in Sudan, Support for Irish terrorism, Wilful disregard of Rwandan genocide, Harassing the creation of the International Criminal Court, Support for massacres by UNITA in Angola, CIA trained Mujahideen, Bhopal disaster India Korea Airlines KAL 007 spying mission, Disparagement, sabotage, harassment and bullying of the United Nations,Opposition to democracy in Australia, Gulf of Tonkin incident, War crimes against Iraq,Ethnic cleansing of native Americans, the Iraq WMD lie, Installation of puppet Shah in Iran, Attempts to overthrow democratic government in Venezuela, Successful overthrow of democratic government in Haiti, Insistence on world oil pricing in US dollars,Inaction over genocide in Sudan

I know. I had heard of it before but always assumed that it was just equal on paper and was suprised that in practice it was also true.

He also said there has been a tendency since the fall of the DDR to present everything there in a very black light but that is not remotely the way he remembers it.

Hey Wigwam, which chapter of the International Workers Party do you belong to?

just a few things off the top of my head, Cal...

Each one of those could be its own thread, most of them refer to U.S. support for anti-communist activities and the rest were just thrown in for laughs. Like my favorite of all time, the atomic bombing of Hiroshima. That has got to be the funniest thing I've ever heard. Shall I go on?

On the bright side, Hill Street Blues was very good.

Now for something completely different...

There was a lot more rubbish in this post, but I simply going to ask BTC where he gets the notion that the EU is "richer" than the US?

I don't know, but I guess he gets it from the IMF or the CIA World Factbook.

from the CIA factbook

Hey yanksavage, I noticed you've been spending time reading the postings yet know comment thus far. What give's? However, you're not obliged, just curious.

Frankly I was surprised that Mexico beat out Canada. How is that possible? This must be wrong.

The EU has a population of around 500 million, the US probably almost 310 million. Yet the source you provided shows the EU with a 14.38 trillion USD GDP and the US with one of 13.84 trillion. How do you figure the EU is "richer"?


Overall GDP figures don't measure income per capita, and Mexico's population is over three times that of Canada. This is the mistake BTC made in claiming the EU is "richer". In the case of Mexico and Canada, it's like saying that a family of three with a household income a little bit larger than that of a single person is better off, and in the case of the US and EU, claiming that a family of five with a slightly higher household income than a family of three is better off.

Alles Klar