FirstCitizen
May 28 2008, 7:12 am
We europeans feel so privileged to have our very own thread to talk about the primaries, but just to refresh your memory, these are the others that have been started in the last few months:
U.S Primary Vote, 2008 Update: Obama, 51 delegates to go for nominationObama and racism, Hillary Clinton...Hillary ClintonBarack Obama, PollDemocrat superdelegate sells his vote...Are Clinton and Obama losing against McCain?...Is Pennsylvania a state of racist rednecks?...The people taking part in theses threads are mind numbing in their predictability, and debating style, relying on statistics and gainsay does not make your points any more resonant and just makes you sound like a politician. (You know who you are)
Editor Bob
May 28 2008, 7:21 am
Yes, this is something that we are aware of and are keeping tabs on.
There are currently a number of related threads, and although they're reaching a crescendo just now, I don't think there are too many.
There is one for each candidate, one for the Democratic primary, and one for the racism vs. sexism topic.
The other couple of topics that you list haven't been active for a while.
Once the Democratic primary is decided, and hopefully that is imminent, then we'll just have one long Obama vs. McCain topic. Plus perhaps the occasional new topic for anything extraordinary and worthy of separate discussion, but those will be limited.
I've deselected Miscellaneous and Random Chat from the forums in my View New Posts filter. Works a treat.
Jules Winnfield
May 28 2008, 8:04 am
QUOTE (FirstCitizen @ May 28 2008, 8:12 am)

The people taking part in theses threads are mind numbing in their predictability, and debating style, relying on statistics and gainsay does not make your points any more resonant and just makes you sound like a politician. (You know who you are)
QUOTE (FirstCitizen @ May 24 2008, 4:23 pm)

Even though a lot of Europeans wish America would just fuck off and die.
I look forward to seeing you take the lead on this, you certainly seem to have the ability to take things down a notch or two.
FirstCitizen
May 28 2008, 8:12 am
Maybe, but i'd like to think I sometimes contribute to the TT forums, which means starting original topics and not just relying on statistics to make an argument.
edit: I also happen to think that as this a forum based in Germany, i.e. Europe, there is a disproportionate amount of topics related to American politics.
bluedave
May 28 2008, 8:33 am
This may be a forum based in Germany but the overwhelming majority of the membership are expats and i think it quite reasonable to discuss important matters from their homeland.
FirstCitizen
May 28 2008, 8:38 am
But not all those expats are American.
bohemka
May 28 2008, 8:41 am
And yet you've added another thread on the primaries.
So what do you think about McCain's lobbyist staff?
Carm
May 28 2008, 8:42 am
QUOTE (bluedave @ May 28 2008, 9:33 am)

This may be a forum based in Germany but the overwhelming majority of the membership are expats and i think it quite reasonable to discuss important matters from their homeland.
agreed, but there is a limit to how many threads we need for the American Election.
Even in the thread that is for the Non Americans to talk about the election there are a few Americans taking that thread over too!
Do these people not have jobs? Lives?
DDBug
May 28 2008, 8:48 am
No life (believe it or not), no steady job. But I know better than to talk politics on the web, even with my Fox news-biased relatives.

And I
studied the stuff. Maybe that's why ...
But I can try to take over this thread, if you want, just to keep things interesting on tt.
moctoj2
May 28 2008, 9:15 am
Politics and talking about it is strictly prohibited in my family. That's why I have followed the topics in this forum and I've learned alot. I agree that the number of topics are getting a little out of hand, but still, I can't help but learn more about how to defend my choice. I grew up in a red state but surrounded by liberals in the city I lived in. At least now I have an interest to see what makes them different.
And, as an expat, ya'll can relate to living abroad. If I joined a forum in the states, no one would relate to my 'living abroad' point of view. I've reasoned that this the best place for me to voice my opinions despite some the very 'right leaning' posts lately. I appreciate having a place to voice my opinions and whatnot.
Not to mention, a place to laugh and cry together about living in Germany.
Chicago Rose
May 28 2008, 11:22 am
I read the comments regarding limiting threads. I disagree.
Debate and discussion is good and belongs to forums, regardless of topic(s).
The best form of censorship is self-censorship (simply not reading the threads).
I have to admit, I am enjoying the debates on most threads I have read.
Best regards,
Chicago Rose
Owain Glyndwr
May 28 2008, 11:37 am
threads are easily ignored. No-one is compelling anyone to read these threads. Despite them being mind-numbingly boring and highly repetitive, if they want so many threads, let them have so many. I just wish there was a thread that was a little bit informative about the candidates without the usual suspects always ruining it.
FirstCitizen
May 28 2008, 12:10 pm
I think that EB and others would agree that when there is a deluge of threads on similar topics, the whole forum is affected, especially when they are all posted on the same section. It has the same effect as spamming, i.e. relegating other topics that others may find more interesting to the bottom of the topic list.
Owain Glyndwr
May 28 2008, 12:18 pm
I don't possibly see how you can call 6 threads "spamming".
You have no argument from me about the quality of the threads though. I've tried following them a number of times to try a glean some info on the candidates but give up after a page or two.
lilplatinum
May 28 2008, 12:24 pm
While they do general degenerate to the same 3 or 4 people having the same conversation, its alot easier to just use the little scroll wheel on your map and ignore. Its 6 bloody threads total and there are only about 10 threads that have been discussed today - its not taxing to just skip over them unless you read english incredibly slowly, if you are going to get your panties in a wad over that much 'spamming' then maybe the internet is not the right place for you?
FirstCitizen
May 28 2008, 12:47 pm
QUOTE (lilplatinum @ May 28 2008, 1:24 pm)

...maybe the internet is not the right place for you?
Shouldn't that be 'internets'?
lilplatinum
May 28 2008, 12:49 pm
or 'the internets'... Actually, upon reviewing the threads you are complaining about I now concur, they really are insipid.
Carm
May 28 2008, 1:04 pm
true, you do not have to read them all, but, everytime I log in, there is one of the treads, I click in ViewNewPosts, and these threads being driven by the same few people are always at the top of the screen.
Could they not be blended into one? Or a separate forum, so we do not have to filter out ALL Misc/Random posts like Gen suggested.
FirstCitizen
May 28 2008, 1:17 pm
True, I think there is a case for 'Politics' having it's own section on TT.
eurovol
May 28 2008, 1:24 pm
QUOTE (FirstCitizen @ May 28 2008, 8:12 am)

I started that ONE thread nearly 5 months ago. God how time flies when you are not having fun! I haven't started any other and I don't post in your European thread.
I figured that the others would have been merged or something since they are all basically the same thread with different titles.
Now repeat after me: only one week to go.
Well I started my
Barack Obama way back on Oct 23 2006, at 9:09 am.
randy
May 28 2008, 1:54 pm
QUOTE (FirstCitizen @ May 28 2008, 2:17 pm)

True, I think there is a case for 'Politics' having it's own section on TT.
Perhaps better named as 'Contempt for the Electorate'.
BadBob
May 28 2008, 1:57 pm
QUOTE (eurovol @ May 28 2008, 2:24 pm)

Now repeat after me: only one week to go.
The Democratic Convention isn't until August, silly.
BadBob
May 28 2008, 2:24 pm
QUOTE (PES @ May 28 2008, 2:32 pm)

Well I started my
Barack Obama way back on Oct 23 2006, at 9:09 am.
Well I started my
Hillary Clinton, Would you trust this woman with your country? way, way back on May 9, 2006 at 11:39 pm.
Of course over time, some politically correct, postmodern, neolib moderator changed "woman" to "person."
lilplatinum
May 28 2008, 2:37 pm
If politics get filtered out I dont want to dig through lame soccer threads either
Editor Bob
May 29 2008, 7:30 am
It wasn't a moderator who changed "woman" to "person", BadBob. It was DDBug. Click to see the
title edit history. You can change it back if you like.
DDBug
May 29 2008, 7:40 am
Aren't women people in your mind, BadBob??
sarabyrd
May 29 2008, 8:05 am
You do all know that after the convention the presidential campaign starts. More scope for criticism, topics and bashing.
UpQuark
May 29 2008, 8:19 am
QUOTE (DDBug @ May 29 2008, 8:40 am)

Aren't women people in your mind, BadBob??
I don't see how describing Hillary Clinton as a woman makes her less of a person. If he had started a thread about Barack Obama titled "Would you trust this man with your country?" would anyone see a need to clarify that a "man" is also a "person"?
DDBug
May 29 2008, 8:29 am
I might have, depending on which men or men-type people I had been dealing with before hand.

Is describing Obama as a black man distracting from the person the candidate for most people? In my opinion, yes. Obviously changing the reference to Clinton the "woman" to person is noticable because using woman in the first place distracted from the person the candidate.
Would anyone have noticed if I would have changed "Would you trust this man with your country" to "Would you trust this person with your country" ? I doubt it, because 'man' is not the characterizing feature of this candidate.
Would people have noticed if I would have changed "Would you trust this black man with your country" to "Would you trust this man with your country" ? More likely, but maybe I'm wrong and that would be cool if people weren't that superficial.
Kay
May 29 2008, 10:05 am
Agree 100% with the wo pers author of the above post.
lilplatinum
May 29 2008, 10:09 am
Theres a difference between specifically pointing out a skin color and not succumbing to the PC nonsense to use gender neutral words.
Crawlie
May 30 2008, 4:08 pm
Irony - complaining about the number of topics full of mindless ranting related to a particularly event by starting another topic and going off on a mindless rant
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