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Why are my abusive posts being deleted?

Please help, I'm too dumb to figure it out myself

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Cendaf
I was sent a PM that 2 of my posts were deleted because of personal attacks. I find this practice disgusting because I was only responding to attacks by other people here. I guess if you are a marxist it is ok to slander someone. It is ok to demonize anyone who is christian/republican or white but the SS admins on this board will ban you if you defend yourself against personal attacks. Good luck to anyone here who might disagree with eurovol on his cult followers. Anytime a conservative has a speaking engagement at a university the liberals in the audience shout them down/physically attack them or protest. I have never heard of conservatives doing that to a liberal. Looks like nazi germany all over again, on this msg board and at american universities.
Owain Glyndwr
Why would an SS moderator condone a Marxist yet delete right wing radical drivel?

mmmmm.
Mariposa
QUOTE (Cendaf @ May 25 2008, 3:03 am) *
Looks like nazi germany all over again, on this msg board and at american universities.

If you think this is like Nazi Germany, you might want to leave before we finish the construction of our very first TT KZ. rolleyes.gif
moctoj2
QUOTE (Cendaf @ May 25 2008, 3:03 am) *
I was sent a PM that 2 of my posts were deleted because of personal attacks. I find this practice disgusting because I was only responding to attacks by other people here. I guess if you are a marxist it is ok to slander someone. It is ok to demonize anyone who is christian/republican or white but the SS admins on this board will ban you if you defend yourself against personal attacks. Good luck to anyone here who might disagree with eurovol on his cult followers. Anytime a conservative has a speaking engagement at a university the liberals in the audience shout them down/physically attack them or protest. I have never heard of conservatives doing that to a liberal. Looks like nazi germany all over again, on this msg board and at american universities.

What a crybaby!
DDBug
I thought it was illegal to protest anything republican in the states unless you were in a little fenced off area being filmed or something...
FirstCitizen
There are plenty of other right wingers on this forum Cendaf, but most of them would understand that constantly referring to race would only open them up to ridicule. No one here gives a shit if you are a white Christian, or for that matter, a black Muslim, but when you start 'playing the race card' it becomes a problem.
By the way, I called you a racist, and had my account suspended for 2 hours.
DDBug
OMG - WTF? I just clicked on view member's posts.
Words cannot express the disgust and embarassment I feel. (and no, I am not referring to you, First Citizen).
thefirelane
QUOTE (Cendaf @ May 25 2008, 3:03 am) *
I was sent a PM that 2 of my posts were deleted because of personal attacks. I find this practice disgusting because I was only responding to attacks by other people here.

Honest Question: Were the other personal attacks deleted also... if so, what's the problem? If not, did you report them?
Lavender Rain
There seems to me to be unclear and not very consistent rules of deletion of post. It appears sometimes to be very subjective, instead of objective. It seems to be based on how the mods feel that day; if they got their groove on the night before; how established the member posting is in terms of their contributions to the forum. It seems post deletion could even be impacted on how the mods personally feel about the poster.

I've posted some really harmless and nonthreatening stuff that was not a personal attack and my stuff was deleted. There have been personal attack against me that have not been deleted. Then I see a lot of crap post content very similiar to what was deleted that I wrote remain standing on the thread.

Furthermore, I was ban from editing thread titles, when I've only edited two the mods thought were inappropriate. No one even sent me an email to admonish me or slap my hand like you would a two year old or even tell me I was even banned. Why didn't they ban me for a month of editing thread titles, instead of banning me for life?

But ok it's not a perfect world, life isn't always fair, and this is someone else's forum. In the scheme of things in my life I consider this inconsequential.

But since I saw this thread and I'm avoiding doing my work I thought I'd share what's on my mind.

That's my rant, I will now climb down from my soapbox wink.gif .
silty1
Nice little sneak attack changing the post title. laugh.gif
Lavender Rain
I highly doubt if the member who edited this thread title will be banned from editing titles like I was ph34r.gif . He's probably very beloved by the mods because of his long standing contribution to the forum. He's in the over 15,000 post club so he can probably say what he wants and get away with it with the mods.

I'll be checking on this thread throughout the day to see if the mods weigh in by writing their feedback on the issues that's been addressed here.
garibaldi
QUOTE (Lavender Rain @ May 25 2008, 9:43 am) *
Then I see a lot of crap post content very similiar to what was deleted that I wrote remain standing on the thread.

Ah, I get the picture. Beautiful sentence that. Could've come from Finnegan' Wake.
Mik Dickinson
Its normal, just live with it or reformulate your answers.I reckon a few members have all had it at one time or another.Seems to be the same ones all the time.
gills
wow, I just had a look at some of Cendaf's posts. This is a very troubled person.
silty1
QUOTE (Lavender Rain @ May 25 2008, 10:01 am) *
I highly doubt if the member who edited this thread title will be banned from editing titles like I was . He's probably very beloved by the mods because of his long standing contribution to the forum. He's in the over 15,000 post club ...

Since there is only one member with more than 15K posts, does his handle start with a K, end with a K, and have an EE-deh sound in the middle?
thefirelane
QUOTE (Lavender Rain @ May 25 2008, 10:01 am) *
I'll be checking on this thread throughout the day to see if the mods weigh in by writing their feedback on the issues that's been addressed here.

No offense LR, but it seems all of the "issues" come from a mistaken belief that the mods have a god-like omnipotence.

edit: for those that don't know... See for yourself why your posts were removed.
eurovol
QUOTE (Lavender Rain @ May 25 2008, 9:43 am) *
There seems to me to be unclear and not very consistent rules of deletion of post.

I believe much goes to forum dynamic and intent (and reported posts of course). I don't, as a rule, report posts that are "abusive" towards me. I think I have done that maybe twice overall and that was because the intent was clearly a disturbance in the force dynamic by users that should know better.

In this particular case, the OP was clearly not responding as he claims but trolling with drive-by posts of a reprehensible nature and got called on it by the many. The response was the typical I am white right and therefore you all are eurotrash commie liberal marxist nazi bastard cultist elitist ... (insert inflammatory words used but not listed here) ...

In other words, he aims to flame (dynamic disturbed, intent disturbing)!
Jules Winnfield
I have no complaints here as things have improved considerably. There undoubtedly was a time though when the political opinions of the moderators were clearly reflected in the way topics were managed, from title changes to post removals to blatant personal insults being allowed to stand if the individual was of the same political persuasion as the moderator.
Lavender Rain
QUOTE (garibaldi @ May 25 2008, 10:10 am) *
Ah, I get the picture. Beautiful sentence that. Could've come from Finnegan' Wake.

And then of course you have those members who every now and then crawl from under their mossy rock. If they see while reading a thread a certain member who they've targeted have posted a comment on the thread they have a strong and uncontrollable compulsion to comment on the post. I consider Garibaldi a post stalker. Yeah, that's right he's an indubitable post stalker!

There's one other person he does this to and that's Mariposa. For some unclear reason he likes to try to be nettlesome to the both of us. No matter what we've written he will comment if he's reading a thread.

She and I have discussed this and neither one of us know why he's compelled to do this. We both think he needs therapy to resolve this.

Post Stalkers should be banned from the forum for life. unsure.gif
DDBug
QUOTE (Lavender Rain @ May 25 2008, 10:30 am) *
Post Stalkers should be banned from the forum for life.

Be careful - complaining about that just could result in the opposite effect ...
Lifeisabuffet
QUOTE (Cendaf @ May 25 2008, 3:03 am) *
Looks like nazi germany all over again, on this msg board and at american universities.

I just checked your posts, and you sound like a redneck who runs around in his KKK outfit at nights. You are the one who is being racist and disguisting so don't reflect it on this board and the Germans.
garibaldi
QUOTE (Lavender Rain @ May 25 2008, 10:30 am) *
She and I have discussed this and neither one of us know why he's compelled to do this. We both think he needs therapy to resolve this.

I'm doing therapy, it takes time.

QUOTE (DDBug @ May 25 2008, 10:32 am) *
Be careful - complaining about that just could result in the opposite effect ...

...and what is that effect?
bluedave
I think most of us have felt paranoid about posts being removed or modded from time to time and that's what it mostly is, paranoia. wink.gif
FirstCitizen
Occasionally when i've had enough of reading the bigoted drivel written by people like Cendaf, i'll throw caution to the wind and use an abusive epithet or two. I have had a couple of posts deleted and I honestly can't complain about the legitimacy of the actions taken by the moderators. Cendaf fully deserves the treatment he's been getting.
Sin
So many toys. So many prams.
garibaldi
Coming up to midday folks on TTWB dowtown Munich and SIN has put up the best post of the forenoon day.
Moonboot
QUOTE (Cendaf @ May 25 2008, 1:03 am) *
I was sent a PM that 2 of my posts were deleted because of personal attacks. I find this practice disgusting because I was only responding to attacks by other people here.

I think if you have a big problem with how your posts are being moderated it´s time to change how you post or else just leave the forum, no one is forcing you to stay Cendaf.

with regards to how Garibaldi posts, I think he is one of the funnier posters on TT to be honest, those who have a problem with how he posts in response to their posts should realise that this is actually an open forum; whatever they post is open to the whole spectrum of responses. the ´ignore´ function is there to use if they want to ´block´ his posts from view.
Lavender Rain
Funny and obnoxious are too different things laugh.gif . As I do realize this is an open forum, I have no problem with Garibaldi or anyone else responding to my post. I was just pointing out what I've observed about Garibaldi and he knows what I said rings true.

My point about him was more tongue in cheek and meant to be nettlesome to him than to be taken as seriously as it appears you may have taken it. tongue.gif
Keydeck
QUOTE (Lavender Rain @ May 25 2008, 10:01 am) *
he can probably say what he wants and get away with it with the mods.

Haha, you have no fucking idea. 'He' is currently running at over 11% post removals.
Kommentarlos
The whole 'clique' and 'victims of moderation' thingy is very tedious indeed.

I have only had two posts removed to date - but I suspect that I can only take credit for one as I think the other one was removed along with a couple of pages of off-topic musings.

I hardly think it is because the 'mods' are looking on me benevolently laugh.gif
parnell
Tis well known that the mods are hot fer Kommentarlos's arse.
Lavender Rain
QUOTE (Keydeck @ May 25 2008, 12:46 pm) *
Haha, you have no fucking idea. 'He' is currently running at over 11% post removals.

But I see you can still edit thread titles to your liking, just like you done on this one. tongue.gif
I was banned from editing post titles and I don't even recall writing something that could be considered personally offensive. Nor was I even informed I was being banned.
Keydeck
Edited to more accurately reflect the content of the thread. If you disagree feel free to report it or change it to be more correct.

Ah, you said you can't edit them. Oh dear how sad, wipe a tear from my eye. Well if you don't agree with mine, report it. Simple really, just like your good self.
Lavender Rain
Keydeck, that's what I did twice edit to what I thought reflected the thread content and I was banned from editing thread titles. But my being banned is not about you of course, it's about what could be percieved as an inconsistency in how the members are treated.

Furthermore, this is all so inconsequential as I said before that's why I didn't even ask the mods about being banned.

Regarding reporting you or anyone else for what you've written, I would never do this as my ego and sensibilities are very biggest than doing that.
thefirelane
you know LR, how about you post the threads, we can all see the edits that were made, and judge for ourselves.
Jay
QUOTE (Cendaf @ May 25 2008, 3:03 am) *
I was sent a PM that 2 of my posts were deleted because of personal attacks. ... the SS admins on this board will ban you if you defend yourself against personal attacks.

From http://www.toytowngermany.com/wiki/No_personal_attacks

QUOTE
Do not make personal attacks anywhere on the TT website. Comment on content, not on the contributor. Argue the point, not the person. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Nobody likes abuse. Personal attacks include calling someone an idiot (or worse), telling them to get a life, or any other such personal insult.

Consequences
The moderators frequently remove personal attacks on sight. Occasionally forum members have been banned for repeatedly engaging in personal attacks.

Ramifications
Remember that disputes on the forum are visible to everyone on the Internet. The way in which you conduct yourself on TT reflects on both TT and on you. Also remember, the number of lurkers on the forum is substantially higher than the number of visible active members - perhaps even ten times as high. The way a member conducts themselves is visible throughout Germany - and that includes the community beyond the hardcore forum members. Make a name for yourself as being anti-social and this reputation will follow you beyond the chat forum and possibly affect your real-life friendships and relationships.

Your first few posts sounded harmless enough but you lost it somewhere. Hopefully nothing to do with the first ever post you made regarding the acquisition of illegal substances which could cause paranoia.
But a personal attack on the admins does nothing but harm your case. It reminds me of an Australian in Dresden who got banned as after he started sending threatening PMs.
Lavender Rain
QUOTE (thefirelane @ May 25 2008, 1:22 pm) *
you know LR, how about you post the threads, we can all see the edits that were made, and judge for ourselves.

Why? Do you have some influence with the mods to get me unbanned from editing threads topics? Otherwise, why should I waste my time searching through all those threads as I don't even remember the two they were? But ok if you're that interested let me see what I can come up with and get back with you on this.
Editor Bob
You're not banned from editing titles, Lavender Rain. And as far as I recall, never have been.

You have made six edits over the last five months. All title edits are logged. Yours are here: Title edits by Lavender Rain

I suspect you're confusing reversion of your edits with banning. Half of your edits have been reverted.
Lavender Rain
Editor Bob, first up, thanks for posting that. Second, sorry to assume I was banned because I don't have access capability to edit thread titles. In hindsight, I should have just asked you.

So could you please tell me why is it I see "guest" if I want to edit a thread title and I can't edit a thread title? It's not because I'm not logged in as "remember me" because I've never been logged in as "remember me" when I edited those other titles.

Furthermore, I use to be able to bootup my computer and go to the TT's icon in my program list and then I could log on without having to enter my nickname or password every time. I don't have that capability anymore now I have to enter my nickname and password every time.

So can you please tell me how to reconfigure my computer so I can have thread title edit capabilities and secondly my not having to log in every time I want to go to TT?

Thanks, lavender rain. The lavender rain whose foot in mouth disease is flaring up again today. wink.gif
FirstCitizen
QUOTE (FirstCitizen @ May 25 2008, 11:01 am) *
So can you please tell me how to reconfigure my computer so I can have thread title edit capabilities and secondly my not having to log in every time I want to go to TT?

You need to check the security settings in your browser, I don't know about Internet Explorer, but try this Internet Explorer
If you're using Safari on Mac then go to Preferences > Autofill
Hope this helps
GreenTea
This thread has got me in hysterics. Yeah, I know, it doesn't take much with me, but still... Has Toytown been out in the sun too long today? Here's a little résumé of the collective ravings:

First off:

QUOTE (Cendaf @ May 25 2008, 3:03 am) *
Good luck to anyone here who might disagree with eurovol on his cult followers.

There is a "cult of Eurovol"? Be afraid, be very afraid... ph34r.gif

QUOTE (Lavender Rain @ May 25 2008, 10:01 am) *
He's in the over 15,000 post club so he can probably say what he wants

Is that like the 15,000 miles high club? The man deserves sympathy - they say it's lonely at the top.

QUOTE (eurovol @ May 25 2008, 10:19 am) *
I think I have done that maybe twice overall and that was because the intent was clearly a disturbance in the force dynamic by users that should know better.

"A disturbance in the force dynamic"? Now I really am afraid of this Eurovol cult.

It gets worse:

QUOTE (Lavender Rain @ May 25 2008, 10:30 am) *
And then of course you have those members who every now and then crawl from under their mossy rock.

That's creepy...

QUOTE (Lavender Rain @ May 25 2008, 10:30 am) *
I consider Garibaldi a post stalker. ... We both think he needs therapy to resolve this.

Lavender Lady, you should consider it an honour and a privilege to be pursued by such a fine gentleman as Mr. Garibaldi. (Why doesn't he stalk me more often?)

QUOTE (bluedave @ May 25 2008, 10:37 am) *
I think most of us have felt paranoid about posts being removed or modded from time to time and that's what it mostly is, paranoia.

Yeah, go on, chuck us all in the loony bin!

QUOTE (Sin @ May 25 2008, 11:16 am) *
So many toys. So many prams.

Now that is simply beautiful. laugh.gif Ed Bob, please can we have that as the TT Tagline?

"Toytown Germany. So many toys. So many prams."
Steve Shadforth
I think you'll find that if your face fits and your part of the clique you won't have any of your messages pulled.
Lavender Rain
What I'm left wondering about Steve's comment is: If your face fits where?

I have a few ideas just where.
Cendaf
I am leaving this forum. When titles and subject areas are manipulated by moderators it is no longer a message board. It is ok to slander someone the moderator does not like. No wonder this forum has been dying over the last 3 years.
jml
The titles and the subtitles can be manipulated by anyone. Its all very egalitarian really.
Allershausen
QUOTE (Cendaf @ May 26 2008, 3:11 am) *
I am leaving this forum. When titles and subject areas are manipulated by moderators it is no longer a message board. It is ok to slander someone the moderator does not like. No wonder this forum has been dying over the last 3 years.

Very poor flounce, 2 out of 10.
Steve Shadforth
hey Lavender Rain,

from your profile "Favorite quote: Never attribute to malice, what you can explain as ignorance."

How appropriate.
Sin
QUOTE (Cendaf @ May 26 2008, 3:11 am) *
I am leaving this forum.

Good. And take this with you.

Punchbear
His shower curtain ring?
I think he/she/it's hilarious and should hang about, brightened up an otherwise dull stretch.
Lavender Rain
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