Hello,

My husband and I want to live in the city - not more than about 20 min away from St. Martin-Str. How much can we expect to pay for a large apartment (150 to 180 M2).
We need it unfurnished but with an installed kitchen.
I realize there are many different factors that determine cost but right now I'm just trying to get a feel for what we should expect.
Any help or comments are truly welcomed.

Many thanks!

Would you care to be more specific about which city? There are more than one city in Germany with a street name St. Martin?

Very sorry Lavender Rain - I thought I was on the Munich Board and now see my error. Thanks.
We will be living in Munich.

Rent can vary widely from €10 to €20 per sq. meter in the city and from district to district. I have seen penthouses going for €30-35 per sq. meter and more even. Premium rents are paid for places that go above 100sq. meters because that usually indicates a second and third bedroom and those are in high demand.

In the "suburbs" but still in Munich, 2-3 bedroom town houses can run from 1500-2500 per month cold. Prices will go down the further you get away from Ubahn access points and Sbahn stops.

If you can find one at all, I wouldn't be surprised if you'll be paying 3000 euros a month for it.

I know a family living in Lerchenau (about 2km north of Olympia Park) who have half of a double house with 4 levels and a yard. The house is new with a built-in kitchen and probably about 150 sqm. They pay 1500€ a month. They are leaving in July. The house has 4 bedrooms, a kitchen, dining area and living room plus 4 rooms in the basement.

So, it all just depends on where in the city ( I have no idea where St. Martin Str. is)

In the Harlaching/Ramersdorf area, what you are looking for runs about 2k cold and can be found.

St Martin Str is in the city, whereas Lerchenau is in the suburbs (although still close to the city). You'll pay a lot more near St Martin Str than in Lerchenau.

it is between Au and Obergiesing. Not exactly des res but fairly central and has an S-bahn right there and is not too far from U-bahns, so pretty well connected.

If you were to look for somewhere out on that S-bahn line (S5 and S6 I think) I am sure you can find somewhere within 20 minutes for a reasonable price. Maybe look at Unterhaching or Taufkirchen. The train journey from Taufkirchen to St.Martin-Strasse is no more than 10 minutes so your total door to door journey won't be more than 20 minutes.

You could also look along the U2 and U8 lines, though i think you are better off heading out of town on the S-bahn if you want that much space.

Many thanks for all of your responses.
I also had someone contact me that they are living in a 130m2, 3 bedroom for 1200/month near Marienplatz - something called Neuhausen.

I was wondering if someone could explain "warm" and "cold" as it is being used to describe rental rates...is this including utilities vs utilities not included?

Thanks again

Have you read this yet: Apartment rental - Germany? It explains "warm" and "cold" and lots more besides.

Neuhausen isn't really near Marienplatz, it's probably 3 to 4 kilometers away, depends on where in Neuhausen.

If the rent for a 130m2 place in Neuhausen is 1200/month warm, then that's an incredible deal. Even for cold, it's pretty good. It all depends on where in Neuhausen though.

Keep in mind that Neuhausen is on the other side of town from St Martin Strasse.

Thanks Kay - I will read that link right now.
Hutcho - Thanks for the insight...My distances are not dialed in for Munich just yet and am working off a map in the "New In The City" magazine. Will get a proper map when we visit this weekend.

Sankt-Martin-Straße Munich (Google Maps) ...

haha, what? no way. Maybe if it's a 180sqm "dachgeschoss" place right in the center

Sakt Martin Strasse is basically right in the center, and if you search on immoscout there are plenty of places around 180sqm going for over 3000 a month.

If you do not mind living a little further our, try the area around Perlach / Neuperlach Süd, that's still Munich and on the S6 S-Bahn which is 2-3 stops from St-Martins-Str. Or does the apartment have to be in the city center?
No clue what you'd pay for that but it might be easier to find something there and not pay quite as much as right downtown.

all of which are in lehel and around that area, which is very expensive. st.martin strasse isn't that close to the center. it's easy to get to the center, but it's quite a walk

Thanks Mariposa,

That's exactly the kind of information I am looking for. We are not so familiar with the neighborhoods. We are more concerned with being no more than about 20 - 30 minutes from my husbands office on St. Martin Strasse. We would, of course, like to live in the city but not for 3000 euro/month.

Cheers!

Wow, I thought Hutcho was pulling our leg about €3000+ rents in that area, but I supposed 150 - 180 sqm apartments are very luxurious.

As mentioned before, St-Martin-Str. is on the S5/S6 line. As Mariposa said, Taufkirchen is not bad, but I really like Unterhaching and Deisenhofen as well. Also just 10 minutes or so on the S-Bahn. If you don't mind the burbs, you can get a townhouse or duplex that size for around €2000.

Just out of curiosity, that is a hella big apartment for two people, is there some particular reason you are looking so big?

I have been trying to look on the Immobilien Scout 24 site and since I have minimal German skills at the moment, can't locate the area for rental properties.
Should I be looking for "Mietargebot" or "Mietmarkt" ? Or is there another word used for rental?

Thanks for your help!

Go here for apartment rentals on that site. Any words you have a problem with should be easily translated with www.leo.org or the Google translation page.

Thanks Keydeck - really appreciate your help and your tips.

Most areas of Neuperlach Süd that I have seen are exactly the nicest sort of places to live, you might prefer Giesing or Haidhausen which are not that far from St-Martins-Str.

Maybe they want to make lotsa babies.
Good point about the S5, I forgot about that one. Yeah any place near a S5 stop would be good too. Check out this map, St.-Martins-Straße is a stop from Ostbahnhof (right half center towards south-east corner) on the S6 (dark green) and S5 (yellow) lines. Follow those two lines to the south to get the names of the suburbs and areas of Munich that have a train station on one of the lines.

Thanks Uncle Nick - I will add these areas on the list. We arrive in Munich on Friday for our Pre-visit and will spend the weekend checking out the neighborhood recommendations that I have received here.

You all are so helpful - I'm deeply thankful

Hi tazzmeyer, I've done a quick search on www.immoscout24.de for apartments sized 150 m2 to 180 m2 and a max. of 5 kilometres distance from St. Martin-Strasse. Prices range from EUR 1.750 cold to EUR 4.500 cold, depending on the part of the city, the quality of the building and the apartment, as well as other factors. If you don't wanna go for a luxury apartment in the poshest part of town, you should well be able to find something decent and nice for a max. of EUR 2.500 cold.
You could either live in or close to the city center, which means a more urban setting with few to no green, as well as suburb-oriented, living in a park-like setting with a huge garden. It depends on what you would prefer!

Hi tazzmeyer,

It might be a good idea to answer the question regarding why you want such a big apartment (if you feel like answering, of course), because the way they measure the size of a flat in Germany might differ from the way it is measured where you come from. I know for a fact that the standards are different in Turkey, where I come from, and maybe you do not need such a big flat after all and you will be able to save on rent.

Good luck...

I wouldn't call Lerchenau "suburbs", that's more Ottobrunn, Neubiberg, Lochhausen etc. After all, Lerchenau is within the city limits. Your next U-Bahn stop is Oberwiesenfeld but Olympiazentrum is more convenient as it's a bus hub as well.

Lochhausen is actually within city limits too! Olympiazentrum is not a bus hub anymore since the U3 has been extended to OEZ last October. Now, Olympiazentrum is only served by one bus line (173) with curbside stops, while the old bus station has been shut down and will soon be the site of a new hotel...

Ooops on the bus hub, but it's been about three months since I last used it. Lochhausen, however, is much sticks-er than Lerchenau in spite of the S-Bahn. Deadsville after 7pm.

If it helps, I live in a 65'ish m² place a block away from the hofbräuhaus and my rent is rougly €1300 a month warm.

I've seen better deals, but marginally given the location.

150m² near Marienplatz and you'll have to start donating organs to pay that sort of rent.

When I was just starting out searching for apartments and didn't have the German vocabulary, I found immopool to be very helpful. You can switch between German and English on the fly (drop down menu upper right), and thus learn all the basic terminology that is used. Although it doesn't have as many listings as immobilienscout24, it still has quite a few that sometimes aren't also listed on other web sites. So don't rely on it exclusively, but after a bit of time you'll feel much more comfortable with reading listings in German and knowing what search terms to try.

Cheers!

keysersoze - yes - with the incredible help of this forum I have been able to get on I24 and navigate around and have found precisely what you mentioned. So...needless to say we are adjusting our parameters daily based on all of this very helpful information. Many thanks.

Memo - at first I sort of ignored the question about why - not really understanding the relevence but can see now why it was presented. We have also noticed that the german measuring techniques are far different than that of China (in china is based strictly on the blueprint plans - not taking into effect walls or actual living space). So that in itself has opened our eyes that we can go quite a bit smaller. Also we have been hauling a 20' container of "stuff" with us on each relocation and so baisically trying to do the same here. We are seriously rethinking this in light of the prices, etc. Overall, we are looking for a 2 bedroom situation, EBK (new term I have learned here!), prefer 2 bathrooms but can see that this is difficult...all in all I think we have determined that we can probably get down to 110m2...but like I said we are revising this daily as we get more and more information. We are here in Munich now and are about to embark on neighborhood drive-by's. Anyway, thanks for re-asking this question.

mrwilson - any information helps so thank you for this additional piece of the puzzle.

We may be going just a little bit farther away from the center based on all of your feedback and your helpful links. This has truly been such a help. I wish our relocation agent were half as helpful!

Bipa - that is such a great tip, I haven't looked at this site yet. Thanks! Will check this out this afternoon.

We are actually going to look at the newspaper ads today and try and sort them out. Perhaps over a beer or four this evening!

About the two bathrooms, you will probably find a bathroom plus a guest bathroom (that does not have a shower) more easily. We had that in our (my family's) apartment we lived in that was 120m² or so. Two full bathrooms might be harder to find in an apartment (then it might be better to look for a house to rent).

A colleague of mine is just looking for flats and saw a place right near St. Matins Strasse.
The area is OK. As OG said, it's not luxury or particuarly trendy but it has an infrastrucutre and you can be about on public transport really easily.

He actually rejected a flat there becasue it had two bathrooms.
His attitude was that it was a bit of a pretensious luxury that wouldn't be usd that often and he'd rather have a walk in cupboard / storage room instead.
Space is at a premium so I'd think twice on the second bathroom.

Here in Berg am Laim there is a brand new, almost completed apartment building with apartments about 1500 per month (I think the size is around 100-120sqm), which for this area is quite expensive, so they must be very nice. They are located near the corner of Berg-am-Laim Str. and Baumkirchner Str. Transit options here are GREAT, Tram 19 (runs right through city center), S2/S4 and U2, all in about 5 minutes walking distance. This corner has pretty much everything you need too. Let me know if you're interested and I can get further details for you.

How many of you are there? If there is just two of you, 150 to 180sqm would be seriously over doing it in Munich. For a couple, an 80sqm apartment here would be considered bigger than average, with many people living in 60sqm or less. Anything over 100sqm is normally reserved for families.

Our last apartment was a 4-room, 90 sq. meter place and it didn't feel all that huge to the two of us. It was meant to be a three-bedroom, but our four rooms were used as (in order of size from largest to smallest) 1. living room; 2. master bedroom; 3. den/office/computer room; 4. walk-in closet. In addition there was a separate kitchen (EBK), a full bath with two wash basins, toilet, shower stall and bath tub, plus a guest bath which had just a toilet and wash basin. Obviously such a place is much cheaper around Schwäbisch Hall than in Munich so I won't confuse you with our rent. Besides, you might think I was bragging at how little we paid.

If you want a two bedroom apartment, then in German terms you are looking for at least a 3-room apartment. I would suggest that you search for 4 rooms because the typical German apartment has absolutely no closets for storage. We would always get a place with an extra room and make that our walk-in closet and storage room.