Scientology van spotted in Munich

I disagree; I think it's part of their business model! They want people who are at a crossroads in life so that they can step in and offer the "right" path. The only way they can sell their improvement courses and so-called clearing services is to first establish that there is a need for them. In other words, you COULD be healthy, but first you need to buy this. I think that's why they are so rabidly anti-psychiatry; they like people who could benefit from psychiatric help because those people are more likely to have a weakness they can exploit, and to be searching for something (rich and feeling lost- the perfect client). The first thing they do when you show up is try to break you down. They methodically try to brainwash you, and strong, healthy people don't like to be brainwashed, so they don't bite.

And I think Germany is an ideal market for them specifically because Germans generally are afraid of seeking psychiatric care (or at least admitting to it). So if someone comes along selling perfect clarity and mental health without the scary medical label, they're sold.

They are looking for people who are vulnerable because they are at a difficult point in their lives or seeking solutions to life's questions. I would not describe that as mentally Ill.

1. the lost
*and*
2. the mentally ill

Not sure what point you're making there.

Wrong...in cases of differing opinions, there is no correct and incorrect. subjective stories full of one-sided perceptions and questionable links do not pursuade me to think otherwise.

There is no debating facts, however there is an open debate on what is now globally known as German-inspired paranoria is simply ridiculous. Funny, the scientology issue seems always to come from the conservative (in my opinion "sheltered, naive" ) southern German states. Someone actually said to me once that they refused to see any Tom Cruise movie because he was a scientologist...simply ridiculous and childish...I suppose due to someone's personal beliefs, alternative lifestyle, skin color, gender, etc. are also the same criteria for such ignorant, blind discrimination.

advice: educate yourself on both sides of the coin prior to formulating an opinion. My opinion is still based on personal freedom and human rights, not silly mythology and fables like scientology, christianity, etc.

Listen, why not just admit you were wrong? Here are your exact words:

That is a testable, verifiable, factual statement, and has nothing to do with anything subjective such as opinion. In fact many incidents and case have been examined and brought forth.

You are flat out... WRONG.

In fact, since you said "not one"... you might remember from basic logic, that I only need to show (drum roll please) one.

I did just that. Again, for your edification: Operation Snow White.


I agree, please see my earlier posts for such facts. Do you still hold by your statement that "not one incident has been examined and brought forth"


Take your own advice. I have a question for you for you to bounce off your “personal freedom� belief: What if a core belief of a religion conflicts with the personal freedoms of another person? Which freedom should win? If a religion came along and said they need to capture a virgin and sacrifice her to their gods, would society be out of line preventing them? What if a religion tried to argue one of its core beliefs was harassing and suing its critics? Which should society hold more dear?

sorry bub, as we differ in opinions, i am not wrong. That is the same thinking as the other zealouts "if you dont believe my way, then you are wrong"...sorry, that is why I defend anyone to believe the way they want, worship the way they want, live life they way they want, etc. Because we as a society do not know where it will end. Again, uncredulous links, etc arent really challenging my beliefs.

Ask yourself, what is your goal here...to get others to believe the way you do? To lay blame? To have some sort of seething "win" on the net? Seems ironic, but that's just me.

Friend, I am not going to pursue any argument regarding what either side of the coin states, nor waste time hopelessly dispelling archaic, conservative, naive beliefs that discriminate against others because of some pre-decided "norm".

I hope you enjoy your day.

Mormons spotted in the Ubahn. Tis the season you know.

Well, thank you for at least making you lack of ability to discern logic public record.

You: X never happened
Me: Here are verifiable, provable FBI and court documents stating X happened
You: I guess we just have different opinions

It's like banging your head against a wall.

continue banging...again, maybe to go with your "verifiable, provable documents" (whatever those may be), you can put up a youtube video or start an online yahoo chatroom dedicated to the topic...that seems as credible as what was presented.

Again, you are banging your head if you think Im going to ensue in some adolescent, immature online pissing contest. For clarity sake, since the first few werent that direct, take your argument elsewhere. Im not biting.

So why do you bother commenting if your personal mantra is: Whether I'm wrong or right, facts be damned I'll continue to believe what I want.

your words not mine...and its rather fitting as well.

But let me understand your logic...if you comment, it must mean you are willing to argue? Sorry, when I was young and naive was long ago, I dont pursue such insignificant drivel since I developed other facets of life.

Saving face is another one of those insignificant, insecurities that I have no use for as well. Life is too short, bub.

I'm impressed that after joining the forum just 30 hours ago, you've already managed to get into an online pissing contest. With TFL no less, who has a bottomless bladder. But I guess 46 posts in less than 48 hours means you're just one of those types who likes to move fast.

No, if you post a factual statement, and it's wrong, and someone calls you on it, don't then pretend its just a "difference of opinion". You were wrong, plain and simple.


38.3 per day, sure pal.

georgiagirl, heh, ok... I'm done with this guy anyway (it's like arguing with a wall), promise

Empty observation...regardless of anyone's forum joining, it does not equate one's experience (but nice investigative work...too bad it doesnt really contribute to anything with the topic at hand). However, if you have read, then you realize that Ive basically dismissed TL and TL's attempt at meaningless attempts and moved on - no reason to thrash further with those of no skill. Yes, I do move fast, since this is the only life you get...Carpe diem!

What part of Georgia, Btw?