I noticed the last "let me out of here" (Germany) is closed now so I started a new one. I hate Germany myself. I completely agree with guv981.
Germans are rude, obnoxious, hygiene deficient, loud, sour, lazy, and as with public officials such as those who work in the Arge or the Social office, even ruder,
lazier, and completely incompetent. This place is oppressive, REpressive, non yielding, and it sucks completely. I cannot WAIT to get back to the good "ol" USA. YES!
The only thing keeping me here (I am married to a German also by the way) is no money yet to move.
Take care folks...when I leave I am NEVER looking back to the Third Reich...
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I hate Germany too
A rant for others also currently stuck here
well for any of you wanting to leave and are near Munich I'll gladly take your job for you! I just need to find a job over there... sigh... so if you hate it that much feel free to give me your job and work permits and visas and then be on your way
move to italy for a year. trust me, Germany will look soooooo much better.
I never understand people who can completely hate everything about a place or people. You must be pretty close minded to not be able to find a few things you like about the people or the place.
But that's what living in Germany and life (in general) is all about finding the balance between the good and the not so good.
I kind of like it here. Yes, it's different but having grown up as a 'Forces Brat' and lived all over the world, I just accept the differences and adapt. Obviously, if you're a singleton with little local language skills relocated here through your job, I can understand the difficulties you might face. I moved here for for love and having a walking-talking translator is a huge bonus for me. Stick it out. It's not as bad as you may (initially) think.
Lots of people come to TT for a little cathartic vent, and that's part of what it's here for. You're obviously frustrated, so have at it! But for your and your spouse's sake, I hope you are able to differentiate between your love for your spouse and your apparent hate toward his country and people. I for one would find it very difficult to be in a relationship with someone who hated my country or fellow citizens or, for that matter, my race, gender, religion, etc., erstwhile assuring me that "I" am different from the group that she hates. Just a thought.
marsha are you by chance a member of the good "ol" armed forces?
QUOTE (Marsha @ Apr 12 2008, 8:10 pm) 
I cannot WAIT to get back to the good "ol" USA.
Let me guess, you're going to Kansas? Have you got your ruby slippers yet?
James..he hates his country too...and I was a bit over the top in my post...I'm so very frustrated...no, I don't hate everyone here...maybe hate is too strong a word but sometimes you need strong words to survive...gemini, no, not a member of the armed forces. One thing this place has taught me is to appreciate my country more. I have plenty of complaints about the USA too...just so you know...but I truly have never experienced such a place..and I have traveled all over the world and can speak 2 other languages besides English...Spanish and French..I have been is so called "third world" countries where people who never laid eyes on you before are warm and inviting..and this is many countries I know...and to think I had nothing but good things to say about Germany before I got here..and I had my husband trying to tell me all the negative things...
I have found that many of the good things...in fact most..was all propaganda...
I thank God that there are many many places that are not like this...
And in my Spiritual faith I believe that there is a very large 'residue' of negativity left over from the wars...and it affects everyone here..
I have found that many of the good things...in fact most..was all propaganda...
I thank God that there are many many places that are not like this...
And in my Spiritual faith I believe that there is a very large 'residue' of negativity left over from the wars...and it affects everyone here..
What were the good things you heared about Germany that turned out to be untrue propoganda?
QUOTE (Marsha @ Apr 12 2008, 8:50 pm)
James..he hates his country too...and I was a bit over the top in my post...
Actually I do not think you were over the top at all, taking into account is the same thing you said in every single post before.
Aw that's terrible. I will apologize to you on behalf of the Germans. But maybe you're just not hanging out with the right crowd?
I at least hope your husband is treating you good.
If you're moving, you should come to Vancouver. The bus drivers and the cab drivers are frickin lazy as hell but other than that, this place is like a utopia. They all pretty much mind their own businesses and people don't hassle you at all. I'm never getting out of here. haha ( I'm originally from the states.)
I'm going to move to Whistler once I finish highschool and I'll probably spend the rest of my life there snowboarding until I'm eighty-sumthin' years old and no longer capable of walking.
and I'm going to live in one of those huge loghouse thingies near a lake and it'd be cool if the place had cliffs so I can jump off 'em and just have a wild time.
I at least hope your husband is treating you good.
If you're moving, you should come to Vancouver. The bus drivers and the cab drivers are frickin lazy as hell but other than that, this place is like a utopia. They all pretty much mind their own businesses and people don't hassle you at all. I'm never getting out of here. haha ( I'm originally from the states.)
I'm going to move to Whistler once I finish highschool and I'll probably spend the rest of my life there snowboarding until I'm eighty-sumthin' years old and no longer capable of walking.
and I'm going to live in one of those huge loghouse thingies near a lake and it'd be cool if the place had cliffs so I can jump off 'em and just have a wild time.
Some people just aren't happy unless they're unhappy. Good riddance, I say.
QUOTE (Marsha @ Apr 12 2008, 8:50 pm)
I believe that there is a very large 'residue' of negativity left over from the wars...and it affects everyone here..
I believe only if you let it, the Germans and their way of life will continue to affect in a negative way on an emotional level. Ultimately, it could affect you on other levels of your personal life,as well.
Perhaps you can try to seek some refuge and solace in your spiritual faith and not let the Germans ruin your day. Perhaps your spiritual faith could allow you to have some compassion for the Germans and their way of life.
Btw, what you've posted here it could appear to some you're no different than them when you sprew this kind of negativity.
gotta love the peanut gallery.
Marsha- sorry you are having a bad time of it here. I can totally relate, I still have good and bad days here, and find this place depressing as hell often, but I have some wonderful warm friends that help me ( and I them) thru the bad days.
Have you tried getting out an meeting some expats? Might be good for the soul.
ps- don't let all those people that have that hollier than thou attitude get to you, they probably all have skid marks on their underwear due to being to cheap to wipe properly.
Marsha- sorry you are having a bad time of it here. I can totally relate, I still have good and bad days here, and find this place depressing as hell often, but I have some wonderful warm friends that help me ( and I them) thru the bad days.
Have you tried getting out an meeting some expats? Might be good for the soul.
ps- don't let all those people that have that hollier than thou attitude get to you, they probably all have skid marks on their underwear due to being to cheap to wipe properly.
QUOTE (DakotaSwanson @ Apr 12 2008, 9:01 pm)
I'm going to move to Whistler once I finish highschool and I'll probably spend the rest of my life there snowboarding until I'm eighty-sumthin' years old and no longer capable of walking.
and I'm going to live in one of those huge loghouse thingies near a lake and it'd be cool if the place had cliffs so I can jump off 'em and just have a wild time.
and I'm going to live in one of those huge loghouse thingies near a lake and it'd be cool if the place had cliffs so I can jump off 'em and just have a wild time.
Jesus , I thought the topic was "I hate xxxxx" not "what I'm going to be when I grow up"... although thinking about that I guess it applies to the OP.
two things , no one actually begged you to come here , and if you dont like it , then bugger off . A classic case of a person not being prepared to even try and intrigate .
QUOTE (Marsha @ Apr 12 2008, 8:10 pm)
... public officials such as those who work in the Arge or the Social office, even ruder, lazier, and completely incompetent ...
Are you saying that those Third Reich bastards refuse to hand out your well deserved - tax-payer financed - social benefits to ease your misery ?
She probably thinks that shes entitled to money for nothing (lets not forget the two wars)
haha sorry to get off topic. Man, I gotta stop doing that...
But y'know I was just saying how it's important to make the best of what you have and be happy with it. 'cause like whenever I'm pissed about a living situation or how my life is going in general, I try to look for ways to turn those shitty things into something fun by thinking "what the heck? life's too short. "and it seems to work. haha
But y'know I was just saying how it's important to make the best of what you have and be happy with it. 'cause like whenever I'm pissed about a living situation or how my life is going in general, I try to look for ways to turn those shitty things into something fun by thinking "what the heck? life's too short. "and it seems to work. haha
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The 3rd Reich is still alive and well, and oppressing German citizens as they have been since well before the 1st World War. This society in Germany...and those in "Authority," do not care at all for their citizens. They keep their citizens in fear all the time, which is a well known and long time used method of control and manipulation. It's just another added example of fascism and nothing new
Quoting this from one of Marsha's older posts. Seems to be a recurring theme of hers, apparently.
There's all sorts of criticisms about Germany I can readily understand, but frankly, this one is a bit hard to digest...
@ MasterSwanson
no problem bro , and welcome , could use more of your perky kind.
no problem bro , and welcome , could use more of your perky kind.
QUOTE (tom_a @ Apr 12 2008, 9:17 pm)
Quoting this from one of Marsha's older posts. Seems to be a recurring theme of hers, apparently.
There's all sorts of criticisms about Germany I can readily understand, but frankly, this one is a bit hard to digest...
There's all sorts of criticisms about Germany I can readily understand, but frankly, this one is a bit hard to digest...
have to agree. In Britain, folks who go on and on about the war and call all Germans "Nazis" tend to read the Daily Mail and have views way to the right of Hitler. If she really does speak to Germans like she posted here then I'm not bloody surprised they all hate her.
o and for any Germans reading - not all of us hate your country. I bloody love it!
Maybe Marsha is jewish .
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Profile says "Passamaquoddy Nation", which is an Indian tribe in what is now the US state of Maine, apparently.
What pisses me off is when people automatically assume all Germans are Nazis. These morons are basically "uneducated" about these things and don't realize that the Germans that are alive right now had absolutely nothing to do with Hitler. I once saw some guy yell "Wassup, Osama?" to an arabic-looking guy. Goddamn some people are dumb...
QUOTE (Marsha @ Apr 12 2008, 8:10 pm)
I noticed the last "let me out of here" (Germany) is closed now so I started a new one. I hate Germany myself. I completely agree with guv981.
Germans are rude, obnoxious, hygiene deficient, loud, sour, lazy, and as with public officials such as those who work in the Arge or the Social office, even ruder,
lazier, and completely incompetent. [...]
I am married to a German also by the way [...]
Germans are rude, obnoxious, hygiene deficient, loud, sour, lazy, and as with public officials such as those who work in the Arge or the Social office, even ruder,
lazier, and completely incompetent. [...]
I am married to a German also by the way [...]
Really? So how are you doing being married to a rude, obnoxious, hygiene deficient, loud, sour, lazy German?
QUOTE (DakotaSwanson @ Apr 12 2008, 9:01 pm)
Aw that's terrible. I will apologize to you on behalf of the Germans.
No need to I think. I certainly won't apologize to her.
Don't let the door hit ya on the way out.
I just had an awesome day with my german boyfriend and his family. Felt just like hanging out with people back home actually if you take away the speaking german bit. If you have an attitude like that no wonder people are rude to you. No one likes someone who is always negative.
QUOTE (Mariposa @ Apr 12 2008, 11:24 pm)
Really? So how are you doing being married to a rude, obnoxious, hygiene deficient, loud, sour, lazy German?
So maybe Marsha is projecting the attributes of her husband onto the entire German nation?
QUOTE (Von @ Apr 12 2008, 11:44 pm)
And yes, to anyone who reads here, it's obvious who it is.
Uh, em, I'm just not getting it. Can you please tell me who that is ?
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It really is a shame that you allow your own deficiencies to colour your view of this nation. If your countrymen, in 1776, had shared your attitude then they'd still be under the yoke of the British. Good for me but not for you.
Why do you allow them to be rude ?
Why do you tolerate their inefficiency ?
Why do you put up with any of it ?
Is it perhaps because you've come here ill-equipped to deal with a people living in their own culture, with their own language and their own rules ?
Do you really imagine that it's any different for an Uzbekistani arriving in the US.
Grow up !
Why do you allow them to be rude ?
Why do you tolerate their inefficiency ?
Why do you put up with any of it ?
Is it perhaps because you've come here ill-equipped to deal with a people living in their own culture, with their own language and their own rules ?
Do you really imagine that it's any different for an Uzbekistani arriving in the US.
Grow up !
QUOTE (Marsha @ Jan 28 2008, 12:33 pm)
I am rather new in this forum, and to TT. I have, however, lived in Germany now for going on 5 months. I am not very happy living here. I know now the reason why I am here now though, other than meeting the love of my life and then marrying him! The reason is that I needed to appreciate my own country more. And now I do. There are so many things I miss...so much I can't get here. And not only that, there's SO many bureaucracies that are "full of shit" here. So much incompetency, so much rigid structure...it seems to me that many in authority in this country don't care about their citizens at all.
I find the weather depressing, and many backwards thinking people. The cost of living is astronomical. The food that you can buy in grocery stores is substandard. I guess I'm still trying to adjust, and the culture shock has not been easy, in fact; horrible.
Ok. I'm still trying to find something good about here other than my husband...it's not easy. Right now I can't seem to find anything. The only thing I really have to look forward to is leaving here in 2009. my husband and I made the decision to move back to the USA. HE has never been to the USA; but at least I know we can afford to "make ends meet" there. It just isn't very possible here. Never have much money to do anything other than survive. Well, sorry to be a downer. Maybe I'll be better on another day...
I find the weather depressing, and many backwards thinking people. The cost of living is astronomical. The food that you can buy in grocery stores is substandard. I guess I'm still trying to adjust, and the culture shock has not been easy, in fact; horrible.
Ok. I'm still trying to find something good about here other than my husband...it's not easy. Right now I can't seem to find anything. The only thing I really have to look forward to is leaving here in 2009. my husband and I made the decision to move back to the USA. HE has never been to the USA; but at least I know we can afford to "make ends meet" there. It just isn't very possible here. Never have much money to do anything other than survive. Well, sorry to be a downer. Maybe I'll be better on another day...
So this could be why she hates Germany, she's having a hard time financially.
QUOTE (DakotaSwanson @ Apr 12 2008, 11:58 pm)
...Uhh sir, this is my one and only account. A couple of weeks ago I registered with you guys for the very first time. I don't know who you think I am but it's very annoying when people think I'm some type of poser just because I'm the youngest one here. You can check my IP address if you want. I'm clearly a fourteen year old dude posting from Vancouver, BC Canada...or you can check with Toytown Germany and find out if I'm that "person" you think I am. You'll get a no for sure.
Man, that was pretty rude...
Man, that was pretty rude...
From your post I'm convinced you are the fourteen year old "dude" you say you are . Now bugger off to a juvenile forum, you're out of your league on TT.
. Now bugger off to a juvenile forum, you're out of your league on TT.
the two things that suck about Germany are usually the weather and more often than not, Toytown. Oh yeah, and swimming pools where people have to wear speedos suck too, but I haven't been to any of those. Everything else is cool by me.
Don't let die Tur hit you on the Arsch on the way out.
Don't let die Tur hit you on the Arsch on the way out.
Hmmm ...actually, I thought this had gone into "The Vent" which I just discovered it didn't but should have. My mistake...
If the only thing keeping her here is lack of money may I suggest that we organise a whip-around for a ticket to send her back to the busom of the feckin' Passamaquoddy Nation from which she has come. The country can well do without such a miserable little fucker.
QUOTE (Marsha @ Apr 13 2008, 3:07 am)
Hmmm ...actually, I thought this had gone into "The Vent" which I just discovered it didn't but should have. My mistake...
Oh please don't insult our intellligence. How could you think you put this in "the vent" when you created a whole new thread for your whining?
QUOTE (Marsha @ Apr 13 2008, 3:07 am)
Hmmm ...actually, I thought this had gone into "The Vent" which I just discovered it didn't but should have. My mistake...
Haha, did the fact that you entered a title and sub-title not give you a little clue that you were actually starting a new thread? No? Really?
Thank you for assisting me in starting the day feeling a lot smarter than I probably deserve. Stupid people really do have a place in society.
Talking about negativity, well, they(the Germans, I mean) should all read the Power of Positive Nothing *but then they won't. They won't help Dr Vincent Norman get rich. Actually, Freising's post in the recent china thread comes to mind - that Germans place a higher value on honesty than politeness whereas in other cultures, the truth, if bitter, needs to be sugar-coated. When I went home last, decade old friends of mine did comment on the element of negativity that had creeped into my attitude and speech. No one can complain that I am not integrated ! The German insists on calling a spade a spade or was that brade a brade
Edit : * honestly, that was a Freudian Slip !
Edit : * honestly, that was a Freudian Slip !
I seem to be in the minority in thinking that Germans are friendly. They don't really show it in that false way that is stereotypically American but our experiences are positive. People are always willing to give a hand and go out of their way to help and we've never had a problem with 'the authorities". Maybe it's a question of attitude you take?
I feel the same way Mr Nosey. I also notice that those who spend most time beefing about Germans don't really seem to show evidence of aving many German friends.
Point of Order
If someone is allowed to say they I "Love" Germany without every one getting uppity...then it is equally valid to be able to say I "hate" Germany...
I look forward for those getting sensitive jumping on the former as much as the latter..."If you can love something then maybe there is someone in the world who can hate it???"
If someone is allowed to say they I "Love" Germany without every one getting uppity...then it is equally valid to be able to say I "hate" Germany...
I look forward for those getting sensitive jumping on the former as much as the latter..."If you can love something then maybe there is someone in the world who can hate it???"
hhmm, I'm not si sure stamford. I can say that I love Germany without impying I am blind to its failings. I don't really think someone who claims to hate a country and its people and who wishes to leave as soon as is humanly possible displays much evidence of a balanced view.
QUOTE (stanford @ Apr 13 2008, 10:04 am)
If someone is allowed to say they I "Love" Germany without every one getting uppity...then it is equally valid to be able to say I "hate" Germany
Well, you can love someone and still discover all his/her defects.
Same way you can hate something but still acknowledge all its virtues.
But If everything is shite, then the problem does not lie on the object but on the observer.
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MrNosey
Hamburg I seem to be in the minority in thinking that Germans are friendly. They don't really show it in that false way that is stereotypically American but our experiences are positive. People are always willing to give a hand and go out of their way to help and we've never had a problem with 'the authorities". Maybe it's a question of attitude you take?
Hamburg I seem to be in the minority in thinking that Germans are friendly. They don't really show it in that false way that is stereotypically American but our experiences are positive. People are always willing to give a hand and go out of their way to help and we've never had a problem with 'the authorities". Maybe it's a question of attitude you take?
Just in case, your post is in reply to mine, I would like to point out that I agree but their emphasis on honest observations can be perceived as 'rudeness' by newcomers like the OP who probably need more time to distinguish between the 'false way...' and the 'honest way:'
QUOTE (Bell the cat @ Apr 13 2008, 10:12 am)
hhmm, I'm not si sure stamford. I can say that I love Germany without impying I am blind to its failings. I don't really think someone who claims to hate a country and its people and who wishes to leave as soon as is humanly possible displays much evidence of a balanced view.
QUOTE (Sinderbox @ Apr 13 2008, 10:16 am)
Well, you can love someone and still discover all his/her defects.
Same way you can hate something but still acknowledge all its virtues.
But If everything is shite, then the problem does not lie on the object but on the observer.
Same way you can hate something but still acknowledge all its virtues.
But If everything is shite, then the problem does not lie on the object but on the observer.
so, lets attack someone for venting about their 'hate' of this fucking place? I hate it to, but I take the good and the bad. Because the original poster has a different view from yours, its not her experience, its her and her attitude! Oh, I see!
In a real sense, I believe her rant could really be misplaced anger and frustration. It's much easier to blame the Germans when you're having other problems in your life and from some of her other posts I think this could be the case. From that "I thought I posted this in "the vent" thread comment , I'm now wondering if all her hardware is intact.
Btw, after almost twelve years of living here, I truly love Germany. Of course, sometimes it can be extremely challenging living here, but I'm up for the challenge and I'm not going to complain about it either.
I know this sounds funny, I even don't mind the inordinate amount of rain as I'm in awe of the beauty of the nature.
I'm just keeping it real.
Btw, after almost twelve years of living here, I truly love Germany. Of course, sometimes it can be extremely challenging living here, but I'm up for the challenge and I'm not going to complain about it either.
I know this sounds funny, I even don't mind the inordinate amount of rain as I'm in awe of the beauty of the nature.
I'm just keeping it real.
QUOTE (Lavender Rain @ Apr 12 2008, 10:29 pm)
Maybe Marsha is jewish .
Please don't give anti-Semites any excuses, LR. Lots of people who aren't Jewish are very critical of Germany and plenty of Jews hold generally positive views of Germany.
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