Which permit to take after five years in Germany

Dear Members

I would like to know which one to opt after completing 5 Years of stay in germany.i.e. Whether to apply for Niederlassungserlaubnis or Daueraufenthaltserlaubnis-EG. Which one is better. Is this possible to change to visa of type Daueraufenthaltserlaubnis-EG after getting Niederlassungserlaubnis. Is Daueraufenthaltserlaubnis-EG visa be given for unlimited period of time like Niederlassungserlaubnis.

Thanks for your clarification
Regards

I went for the Daueraufenthaltserlaubnis , just seemed the better option 21 years ago

Hello

i assume your are not married with an eu-national
the plus of Daueraufenthaltserlaubnis-EU is that it does not become invalid after leaving Germany for more than 6months if you move to another EU(all 27 i think) Country.
and there are less restrictions to get it

To reignite this thread ....

Has anyone figured out the difference in these? All I can see on the muenchen.de website is that the Daueraufenthaltserlaubnis-EG seems to give you the added right to work in other EU countries (with some exceptions). In that case why would anyone go for the Niederlassungserlaubnis? Is there some reason to consider this also??

thanks.

Niederlassungserlaubnis is the main permanent residency permit. Daueraufenthalt-EG is just a clause added to it. They are not separate permits. I do not think you get NE anymore without the D-EG clause.

I dont think thats right. There is a single application form, at the top of which you need to check a box for one or the other.

Yes, but Daueraufenthalt-EG is a clause added to the Niederlassungserlaubnis which is the permanant residence permit.

I used to have this permit and it said:

Niederlassungserlaubnis-Daueraufenthalt EG

Just go for the new permit. There is absolutely no reason not to. It allows for more freedom with the EU.

AFIK, the "Niederlassungserlaubnis (since 2005) is one of only three "Aufenhaltstiteln" which are only for non-EU citizens (the other two being "Visum" and "Aufenthaltserlaubnis". EU citizens no longer require one since there right to residency is enshrined in the EU treaties.

The "Visum" is a short term temporary permit to enter the country. The "Aufenthaltserlaubnis" is a more long term residency permit. The "Niederlassungserlaubnis" is permanent residency.

For german readers, here is the response I got from the KVR. It seems there is indeed no reason to go for the Niederlassungs... Looks like the Dauer... is just a newer, better version. Advantages are: 1) you can work in most other EU countries; 2) you dont lose it as quickly if you leave Germany.

Just strange that they would still give you the option to apply for the Niederlassungs...

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Sehr geehrter (Mailbags),

die Daueraufenthaltserlaubnis-EG ist genau wie die
Niederlassungserlaubnis ein unbefristeter Aufenthaltstitel. Er wurde
aufgrund der Umsetzungspflicht einer EU-Richtlinie erschaffen und ist
"internationaler" als die Niederlassungserlaubnis. In jedem Staat der EU
gibt es einen "Daueraufenthalt-EG" (natürlich mit etwas anderem Namen).

Vorteile:

- es fällt Ihnen etwas leichter sich in einem anderen Unionsstaat
niederzulassen ("wie" wird wiederrum nach Recht des jeweiligen Landes
geregelt)

- die Daueraufenthaltserlaubnis-EG erlischt nicht nach 6 Monaten außer
Landes (erst nach 6 Jahren, wenn Sie in einem anderen Land der EU leben
oder nach 12 Monaten wenn Sie die EU verlassen haben)

Ich hoffe ich konnte Ihnen helfen, dass sind die wichtigen Unterschiede.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
(KVR)

(Mailbags) schrieb:
> Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
>
> anfang August werde ich mich für einen unbefristeten Aufenthaltsstatus anmelden. Ich habe diese Seite bei muenchen.de gelesen, um mich zu informieren:
> http://www.muenchen.de/Rathaus/kvr/ausland...2876/index.html
>
> Es ist noch mir unklar, was der Unterschied zwischen eine Niederlassungserlaubnis und eine Erlaubnis zum Daueraufenthalt-EG ist. Können Sie mir dieses bitte erklären?
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>
> (Mailbags)

Hmm, finally mine came through, but I seem to have ended up with a Niedlassungserlaubnis, not a Daueraufenthalt-EG. I originally asked for a Daueraufenthalt-EG in my mail to them, and the form I filled out is common and there is no place to select one or the other. Does anyone know if a. I indeed have the less flexible National variety and b. if I got the wrong one, if I can transfer it to the other? Do I just need to pay more money? thx.

Id like to know the same as MR Bobke aswell , i just got my NE today and they didnt even give me the option to ask for the DEG ,

i got the NE in 10 minutes after i handled the papers to a lady in the hallway , i wasnt called for an interview and didnt even sit in the office to prove my german or anything, they just gave me my passport with the NE label in the halway as well...
I i was actually quite happy and didnt wanna complain but eventually it might be good to switch to the DEG in case leaving the country for a longer period or moving to another EU

thanks

From the application I filled out when I got my Niedlassungserlaubnis the option was at the top left on the form.
But your rathaus/amt may use a different format application or a totally different one than the one used down here.

Wurther research shows that the Daueraufenthalt-EG is an extension to the standard Niedlassungserlaubnis and
must be applied for separately.

Hi Mailbags,

I got one year ago my "Daueraufenthaltserlaubnis-EG". Indeed it's an extentsion of the Niedlassungserlaubnis:

§ 9 Niederlassungserlaubnis:
§ 9a Erlaubnis zum Daueraufenthalt-EG :

But the problem is that you need to fullfil more conditions for the Daueraufenthaltserlaubnis-EG §9a than for the Niedlassungserlaubnis §9. The new law should be used only for people coming to germany after the 1 January 2005. But § 104 "Übergangsregelungen" is not clear an can be interpreted differently: In Munich, the KVR is restrictive and will ask you to:

1) intend an "Integration" or "Orientatin" Cours
2) intend German Classes
3) oder stuff
4) some more stuff

Regards,

Poseidon

Thx DK and Poseidon for the info. I guess this leaves the possibility still to apply for it the Daueraufenhaltsblabla-EG, even after getting the Niederlassungs dings bums.

Interesting update on this: After asking why I have been given a Niederlassungserlaubnis rather than a dauer.. EG, I (or rather the relocation team of my co.) were told that the dauer... -EG can only be obtained if you are married to an EU national. This sounds highly suspect, as I cannot find this clause anywhere in the legal stuff, and I have not seen it mentioned anywhere on this forum, either. Any evidence proving or disproving this would be greatly appreciated!