"Abstammungsurkunde" for kindergarten registration

In connection with registering my child for Kindergarten non-German parents are required to produce an "Abstammungsurkunde". Anybody know how this differs from your passport and where one applies to get one? I am British and my husband French. Any light shed much appreciated...

When we registered our daughter, we were asked to provide copies of our passport and visa/residence permit.

They want a certified document with the child's name, date of birth, place of birth and parents' names on it. Basically a kind of birth certificate. You can apply for one at the Standesamt by showing the child's original birth certificate.

Birth certificates did it for us and do not forget that you are both E.U. members so there should be no problem here.Seems that tghey are being a little unreasonable here or over careful.

"Abstammungsurkunde" sounds like something that the nazis might have introduced, having to prove where you come from or what nationality you are sounds a bit dubious if you ask me.

I didn´t have to do this for either of my children- just passports...

Thanks for your replies. In fact my first post was not clear. They want the bits of papers for the PARENTS not the child !! Yes, indeed conjures up images of a bygone era...

Today I had registration for my second kid. Previously we have already done registrations twice (as we changed to new place) for my elder son as well. So in total I am talking about three different kindergartens. Nobody asked me about that. Just the passports from us.

Turned out they just wanted a copy of our passport. Wonder why they couldn't say that in plain German from the start...

I'm sure that if you had contacted them explaining that as non-Germans you do not have the Familienbuch and Abstammungsurkunde they would have told you which ID or other document is sufficient.

How do you know that the OP didn't contact them and ask?

The Abstammungsurkunde will be abolished in 2009 btw.

Unlike the Birth Certificate, this one always listed the biological parents, as well as whether someone is adopted or has changed their name - that's pretty much the only difference. German Birth Certificates do not list the biological parents, only the people who have custody of the child.
One of the purposes supposedly was to prevent marriage between siblings adopted into different families.

Elementary, my dear Watson.

Presumably this was found out when further clarification was asked for

No post from April until July speaks volumes.

Whatever, but I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Anyway, thanks to the OP for the update on the situation. I am sure it will be useful to others in a similar situation.

Kommentarlos, you got the situation.. Sara, why the irony?? I don't get it...

Because instead of asking a forum of ex-pats from various countries with different ID systems a quick inquiry at the office requesting the document might have been a quicker solution.

If that was the case then a good proportion of this board would be defunct

No, because the altruistic-minded majority in possession of the all-important information would then post the expert knowledge and share it with those members endowed with less get-up-and-go-ism.

Excuse my lack of go and get'em-ism.

Did not expect a German teacher to be able to tell me where to get Brit and French documents (I was not expecting a German authority to be able to provide a German document concerning my foreign nationality). So you see the extent of the misunderstanding, just because they decided to call a copy of your passport something more high falutin' and confusing. Why don't people call a bucket a bucket? That's all I meant.

Which it seems the OP did. I don't see the problem with checking the forum first for potential clarification of a german technical term to get a bit of orientation before speaking to the locals about yet another bit of paper with a funny name.


Which it seems the OP did. Not many people come back and post the solution they have found.

Not really getting what your problem here is?