Is man-made global warming a scam?

Global warming 'dips this year'

BBC News

Is Global Warming another Y2K?

Global temperatures have not risen since 1998, they will dip this year. Yet we all have heard and probably added our own anecdotal evidence on Global Warming. The lake that has dried, the mountain without snow, the zone without rain... they are all considered signs of global warming, yet the temperatures have not risen for 10 years. So is all this anecdotal evidence just due to the power of suggestion? are we seeing another huge scam driven by the race for scientific funding, emissions trading, government subsidies for expensive and potentially useless technologies?

TSK: It is CLIMATE CHANGE FFS. It will have varying effects around the world only one of which will be a trend over time for there to be warming at the ice caps.

Does it matter anyway? If were scared into using less non-renuables anyway then this would be better for humanity in the long run anyway.

A quick look at the retreating glaziers might be a wee indication not all is good though.

Makkadman, this is possibly the stupidest fucking topic I have seen on TT so far. Global warming doesn't have any economic benefits for anyone. Are you suggesting that the whole thing has been fabricated in order to create some kind of new 'eco' industry? The causes and effects of global warming have been proven, as well as that mankind is responsible for it.

Why is Greenland becoming Greenland then?

@makkadman: You forgot to mention other bits in the article suggesting a temporary halt in global warming - did you not read the rest of it?

It's ok, they're balanced out by these advancing glaziers.

The only thing that has been proven is that ice used to cover most of europe and north america and nobody was crying foul wenn the glaciers moved up north in those days. Mind you I have nothing against cars that dont need fossil fuels but the glaciers starting moving back before "our" CO2 production even really got started. One must be more objective when discussing climate change.

Change has always been part of this planet that is how old? exactly. So now we have been tracking the temperature for o' say 100years(not everywhere mind you) and we now know it all why its getting warmer? get realistic. This continent has cooked and frozen over at least a dozen times and now we think its cause of a stinking ford fiesta in front of us that the worlds gonna flip? get a life.

We dont know shit about natures "big picture" just by taking a picture of a glacier getting smaller. Go take a picture of one getting larger and what than?

Dont forget it's actually called a "theory of climate change" which means its not a law, because as scientists will always say there are now laws not even gravity or time.

So do the third world a favor and stop using there meager food supply for fuel. That really gets me, tree huggers filling up on grain meant for ethiopia.

Food for thought...

It had already been so in the past. From Wikipedia entry for Greeenland:

When doubts were raised in previous discussions regarding how really scientific this new global warming "truth" cult is and what exactly is driving it and its new high priest, Al Gore, I seem to remember some people being branded as neo-con lunatics or some sort of boxism.

I hope for the sake of everybody that the models and their gurus were wrong.

I hate the Internet.

On ARD news recently they had a report of a new resort being built somewhere on the North Sea coast. The developers are betting that the warmer climate will drive tourists away from traditional places like Turkey and Egypt that will become too hot to be comfortable. So they're hoping to cash in on the "new hot spot" for tourists. <pun intended>

Causes and effect of global warming have NOT been PROVEN (it's a theory!) ... or else you can explain to me how and why the last few ice ages ended without human intervention. And I'd also be curious to know how the ice ages came to be, while you're at it. Never have heard or read a good all-round explanation other than some meteor falling into the Gulf of Mexico and killing off the dinosaurs. OK... that might have happened once, but how about all the other times?

New "eco industry" is certainly developing quite nicely, I'd say. Solar energy, wind energy, wave energy, new batteries, better hydro-electric generators, alternative heating like the geo-thermal heat pump system in my house... lots of money being poured into this new eco industry. There's profit to be made, and so of course lots of folks are jumping on the bandwagon.

I just wish they'd make up their minds so I could figure out whether I should be moving north (global warming) or south (global cooling) next time.

Yes, but if temperatures haven't risen since 1998, then how are retreating glaciers caused by increasing temp??? Also as the article mentions 1998 was especially warm due to the El Nino effect (NOT global warming!)

Thanks, considering the general stupidity of most topics on TT, i am downright honoured that you think i managed this herculean task.

Proven, are you kidding me? Beneficiaries aren't always decisionmakers or initiators but they do have an inherent stake in maintaining the status quo. Sure, someone else came up with the idea of global warming, but a scientist who climbed on to the bandwagon in his 30s isn't about to get off it in his 50s near retirement.

HEM got there first!

I didn't forget to mention it, that's what the link is for! it's just that i was astounded that with all the brouhaha over global warming, the temperatures haven't even risen for the last 10 years! With all the importance of this topic, and everyone going crazy trying to find solutions, how come everyone forgot to mention this fact??

For those familiar with complexity theory, it will also be obvious that climate (a complex system) has no single equilibrium state, and it's always going to be far from any stable "average temperature". last 100 year's average doesn't mean a thing, and cannot predict future changes, as the climate is not a linear system and fluctuations are inherent in it, which explains ice ages and the massive fluctuations seen over large time periods (on the scale of 10,000 years)

Climate change is real and confusing for those whose heads are better kept in sand. The debate isnt about wether it is happening or not, but wether the speed with which it is is caused by man or natural fluctuations, and can we reverse the experiment we started in the late 1800s?

Errr... Have you ever heard of Carbon Tax?