Is global warming a scam?

Does drinking port wine increase global warming rather than just me. Just had a bottle of Calem Colheita 1990 after that I could not give a toss about climate change. Stop worrying drink more port (or rum)

pretty buzzy myself. time to turn in...

I assume it's mainly becuase pirates use wind power, which saves on air travel carbon emissions. There may be other factors involved, but its important to note the correlation between decreasing pirates and increasing temperatures. I think it's safe to assume that the pirate decrease is the causation.

I think that's as fair an assumption as many being trumpeted in the press.

So if we really want to tackle the problem , all we have to do is return to the days of Black Beard and co .
It makes me proud to think that Blighty was the fore runner in combatting Global warming . All that ruthless plundering and murder was serving the common good .

Exactly...and you'll see there's no snow...like the entire winter...for the last couple of years

Absolutely right Timmeh! We had no snow the entire winter... errr... except...


October 2007 - my back yard


November 2007 - Chiemsee


December 2007 - my yard

sorry... didn't take photos in Jan or Feb


March 2008 - my yard

Thank you Bipa,

We have been bombarded with forcasts but the only fact that matters is that there has been NO global temp. increase for 10 years. Does that not say something to people. They should just look at the facts. Do not be taken in by forecasts they count for nothing. I cannot understand why so many people just believe what they are told without checking.

The idiocy of this man is making me pull my hair out. We were NEVER told that temperatures would rise year-on-year. That is abject nonsense. We are talking about medium-term, climate change. That means: a) Temperatures will fluctuate but the GLOBAL AVERAGE will increase over time and b) it's NOT ONLY THE TEMPERATURE that changes but all forms of weather. For the one-millionth time: THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED CLIMATE CHANGE AND NOT GLOBAL WARMING!! If you are too dim-witted to understand this fundamentally basic piece of information, then PLEASE stop posting here.


As mentioned above, it's global average temperatures that will increase. Some regions will see decreases in average annual temperatures, such as northern England and Scotland due to the Gulf Stream shifting northwards. And there are also other meteorological factors to consider: expect more rain for a start, not to mention an increase in the number and intensity of extreme weather events in specific regions of the world.

But actually this isn't really an environmental problem at all; nature will adapt to the shifting climate. It's humans that will be affected the most. Millions displaced by rising sea levels, food shortages as the most fertile land becomes flooded, diseases spreading faster due to warmer and wetter conditions, increased death rates due to prolonged extreme hot or cold periods, and all the while the population rising uncontrollably towards the predicted 11-billion figure. Does that answer your "And?"?

Below is a recent photo of Antarctica. As you can see, there is still snow there. Therefore Global Warming does not exist. Fact.



The intellectual level of this debate is embarrassing me.

Ahah! I get it! So I shouldn't be looking to move north (global warming) or south (global cooling). I should be looking to move UP! Either that, or buy a floating condo with those pirates

_{(I kinda like the level this intellectual debate has finally risen to! )}

TBH, it doesn't really matter much how temperatures change here in temperate climes. Sure, species may move north and there will be some reordering in the environment. But it is the Arctic and Antarctic we should be worried about.

We can go on and on about world average temperatures not having increased in the last 10 years and as this thread demonstrates there could be a whole lot of reasons for this. But, at the same time, huge sections of the Arctic and Antarctic ice shelves have disintegrated many of them for the first time in 100,000's of years. And the rate of collapse is actually accelerating. Ice floats in sea water but as it drifts away from the poles it will melt and contribute to rising sea levels. They will also divert currents and may actually be responsible for the current El Nina

As ever, The Daily Mash right on the money

I agree... everyone knows Top Gear settled this debate ages ago.

small town boy, its funny because the wording of your posts betrays so much about why some people are wary of the debate about climate change

There are people like me who think that many people latch onto the pheomena of climate change because it in some way allows themselves to affirm their own self-righteous anger/ frustration and make themselves feel better by whipping themselves up into a furious indignation at the "stupid people" who arn't as clever as them. sample quotes from you include:

The intellectual level of this debate is embarrassing me.

The idiocy of this man is making me pull my hair out.

If you are too dim-witted to understand this fundamentally basic piece of information, then PLEASE stop posting here.

It will never cease to amaze me how people with such low levels of knowledge about a subject can be so convinced that the leading experts in this field are wrong. It really is quite breathtakingly arrogant.

The ignorance here is breathtaking.

I don't know why I drag myself down to your level of debate; I guess I just love pointing out your ignorance.

It's simply that it's taken that long for the correct term (i.e. 'climate change') to enter your thick skull

you idiot

there are more, but I just wanted you to know why I have a suspicion of jumping on board the bandwagon you are so keen to espouse, as you are not the only one to use this kind of language on the topic. There appears to be a similar psychological phenomena surrounding discussions of George Bush and the Iraq War.

I see your point, but all those quotes are in response to really extremely basic misunderstandings – hence my comment about the level of the debate. If someone with a decent understanding of the topic could provide a plausible theory to either show how climate change is not human-induced or is not happening at all, then fair enough. But at the moment the bulk of the comments are along the lines of "it snowed in China this year, therefore climate change isn't happening". Even from an objective standpoint, that displays a failure to grasp even the basics of this topic.

Also, to further my defence, almost all of those comments are directed at DJGrazy and Johnny Norfolk, two users who have long provoked similar reactions from the majority of people on Toytown on almost every subject they espouse an opinion on.

well I apprciate what you have been trying to say STB, keep it up

As I said, its not really the message, but the delivery I'm wary of

No dillweed, it's your ONLY defence when faced with opinions that are of differing nature from yours. I found the Germans to be the most arrogant race on the planet and moved back home after 13 years when I felt my own arrogance creeping up to their level. You should really look at heading back home mate, you are beyond help! Your opinion (on all topics I may add!) is the pinnacle of intelligence and is backed up by scientific FACT and wiki articles. Any sites/reports/evidence posted from sources other than CNN/BBC/ABC/FAUX or government sponsored/financed institutes is a tinfoil site full of nutcases who are obviously intellectually inferior to yourself. It doesn't matter that these sites contain writings from very learned man and women who have achieved FAR MORE with their lives than you ever will. No, they're all wrong and you're right, 'cause you say so.

You just regurgitate the same old shite and reasoning without opening you brain for a nano-second to THINK for yourself. Scirnce has been proven WRONG many many times, Military intelligence has been proven WRONG many many times, Governments have lied to their people many many times and most importantly...throughout history there has been a long line of fools like yourself who have went along with the "official" line only to be backed into a corner later when the evidence shows your wrong, but by then of course you'll just deny you did, flap your arms about then distract everyones attention from the real FOOL, yourself!

The penny drops for different people at different times, your day will come and you'll realise then what an imbecile you really are, however in typically German style you'll no doubt NEVER accept that you were wrong!

Here's a couple of quotes from a great man to sum it up better,

This is directed AT you...


This perhaps explains the state of DENIAL you find yourself in...

just keep deluding yourself that you are a voice of reason djgrazy. The rest of us just ignore you mostly now.

You basically do the same as I do – except that you automatically assume the opposite of what the majority believe. On this subject, that puts you in the same boat as the US Republican Party and many of the world's largest companies. I'd feel a little uneasy in their company.

aah Bell The Cat, STBs faithful fudge ferret.

Not at all, I don't claim to know it all, however I do have a more sceptical approach to Mainstream Media and their reports.

2007 shattered records for Arctic melt in the following ways:

So what?

I also don't claim to know it all. But I know that a cold winter in China does not disprove the climate change theory any more than a hot summer in Australia confirms it. All of my comments on this thread have been aimed at that lowest level of understanding.

Melting Arctic sea ice does not contribute directly to rinsing sea levels but it does contribute to GW.

It's all happened before. Nothing to worry about.


The Earth didn't catch fire.

When?

Tsunamis also happened before, and are natural events. Nothing to worry about.

See edit above.

Nothing to worry about in that the disappearance of Arctic sea ice doesn't prove that humans have irrevocably broken the climate, as many AGW proponents (such as Small Town Boy) claim.

It happened before we had civilization. Coastal cities will be flooded.
Nothing to worry about.

Sea levels are rising at 1mm/yr at the moment. Alarmists contend this will increase to 10mm/yr. Golly. We'd all better up sticks immediately.

Not factual.

Sea level rise estimates from satellite altimetry are 3.1 +/- 0.4 mm/yr for 1993-2003 (Leuliette et al. (2004)).
Alarmists contend this will grow even higher.

This is my point – climate change is first and foremost a human welfare issue.

Although as your link demonstrates, this temperature change occurred over many thousands of years, as opposed to decades as we are currently facing.

So we have completely broken the climate then? Time to start planning interplanetary lifeboats, because nothing else will save us if that's the case.

I don't see any evidence in the article to support your claim that de-glaciation occurred slowly, by the way.

Again, that's not what it's been said.

Not by you perhaps. Here's what Small Town Boy said earlier:


(My bold.) He's ignored several requests to back up this claim.

I am glad we do have a common opinion that climate change is here (always was and always will be).

I think we both agree that politics plays a large role in this GW game and that scientists must feed there families too so they will just might be susceptible to a gov. grant concerning the co2 impact on GW.

Anyone know how much co2 is released when I'm burned at the stake for being a skeptic? Would feed my self to the pigs but they would just fart more.

I do not see him saying the only solution would be to start planning interplanetary lifeboats or even hint that we are lost. He rather contends that mankind can still do something to mitigate or try to reverse it.

He's saying that humans have totally knackered the climate (since what's happening now has never happened before). If that's true attempts to predict the climate based on past data are useless. We can no longer assume that temperature changes will be within a range which will be conducive to any life on earth, never mind one which will allow developed societies to survive.

In which case it's simply not possible to contend that we can mitigate or stop it. We are far, far too late already.

It's in the very article you linked to: there was a gap of no less than 6,000 years between the start of the warming period and the peak of the interglacial period.

That only demonstrates the mean rate of change was low. It doesn't prove that there weren't dramatic changes during the period.

He is relying on mainstream scientists.
As far as I can see they say the point of no return has not been reached, but that we must act promptly.
I would act accordingly even if in doubt.

No references cited - how do you know what he's relying on? Again, if the change is unprecedented previous data cannot be relied on and it's likely that the tipping point has been reached already.

Are you a climate scientist to reach such a conclusion?
I have not seen that assessment made by mainstream climate scientists.

Correct, it doesn't. But were there? You stated that "it's happened all before", so the onus is on you to back up the claim.

You claimed that rapid temperature increases have occurred before and then linked to an article about an interglacial period lasting 17,000 years as proof. There have been numerous glacial and interglacial periods; no-one is denying that the planet's temperature fluctuates over time.

It's a simple logical proposition: if it's never happened before we can no longer assume that climate change will be within historical bounds. All bets are off and we have no idea whether the Earth could turn into a greenhouse climate like Venus or an ice-ball like Europa.

No I didn't. I claimed that it had been warm enough for Arctic ice to have melted before. You're the one who claimed the rate of climate change is unprecedented and haven't backed it up.

Something might be wrong in your logic and you understanding on climate, or is that an established and peer reviewed point of view among leading specialists?

No, this is a logical extension of the scare-mongering bollocks spread by people like Small Town Boy.