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Is it OK to joke about religion?

Or should some subjects be off limits?

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Lavender Rain
QUOTE (cb6dba @ Apr 4 2008, 2:32 pm) *
We only find out if there is or isnt a god/other diety upon death.

For those who believe in a judgment day, I question their judgment laugh.gif .
gemini
Were there not a number of signs displayed by British Muslims calling for all manner of destruction of the West during the London anti Iraq War Marches? Were there arrests for "incitement" for these signs?
garibaldi
QUOTE (BadDoggie @ Apr 6 2008, 7:36 pm) *
You fucking blithering twit, Oliver. I will be asking my lawyer tomorrow if such an accusation is actionable. It's one thing to be a hippie idealist and piss and moan about how your friends aren't able to squat in an abandoned building; it's quite another to write character accusations. This no longer falls under the realm of Free Speech but under libel. I will take you to court to protect my good name unless you start a fresh thread with your open apology to me, you fucking Polish-speaking, electronica-listening cunt.

Truly sad. Another one stepping down to join the ranks of the Spaniard.
That thread was closed after the lawyers were called in.
Cease and desist, I say!
Lavender Rain
Oh please. For Christ's sake, now all of a sudden you've become holy laugh.gif !
garibaldi
Would you like to be baptised?
My followers could introduce you to the relic.
Keydeck
Keep it zipped up, Garibaldi, please! wink.gif
Bell the cat
QUOTE (gemini @ Apr 6 2008, 7:57 pm) *
Were there not a number of signs displayed by British Muslims calling for all manner of destruction of the West during the London anti Iraq War Marches? Were there arrests for "incitement" for these signs?

Yes. Six people in all were charged and several have already been convicted:

* Anjem Choudary, charged under the Public Order Act with organising a procession without the required written notification to the police. He was convicted and fined £500 with £300 court costs (he's a devious bugger who has led a variety of extreme islamic bodies in the UK but is wise enough to never be seen to be actually break the law - this is the only thing hey could get him on as the organiser of the protest)

* Abdul Muhid, charged with two counts of soliciting to murder, found guilty of both charges and later sentenced to six years in jail.

* Mizanur Rahman, was charged with soliciting murder and inciting racial hatred. He was sentenced to six years in jail.

* Umran Javed was charged with soliciting murder and inciting racial hatred and was sentenced to six years in jail.

* Omar Zaheer was charged with racially aggravated disorderly behaviour and disorderly behaviour - charges dropped due to lack of evidence

* Abdul Rahman Saleem was charged with using words likely to stir up racial hatred and was sentenced to four years in jail.
garibaldi
QUOTE (Keydeck @ Apr 6 2008, 9:47 pm) *
Keep it zipped up, Garibaldi, please!

Was only referring to my followers.
Pleb
Oooohhhh... I'm getting my lawyer... You've insulted my highly held reputation...

Sounds like a kid taking his ball and going home...

What a fucking joke!
Lavender Rain
garibaldi
With your TT record on matters canine, I suggest you tread carefully.
Handsome
People who cannot debate/converse/discuss without the use of Profanity or bad language, are not capable of mature discussions.
They only want to drown-out the others' opinion, scare,etc...
No point talking with such. Not on TT nor in real life.
Keydeck
QUOTE (Handsome @ Apr 7 2008, 1:19 pm) *
People who cannot debate/converse/discuss without the use of Profanity or bad language, are not capable of mature discussions.

And that's a fucking Punkt!
Ruthie
Handsome, I totally respect you for wanting to keep your own language clean. However, you can't control what comes out of other people's mouths. TT is a forum where people swear a lot. How will you deal with it? Will you flounce? Will you participate only in less potty-mouthed threads, or can you ignore the colorful outside and deal with the actual essence of a discussion?
Handsome
I am only making a mature judgement on the character of some people here.
The forum guidelines need to address this before TT becomes useless for many.
While we need to tolerate individual expressions, those who cannot write a sentence without the "F-Word", needs to be banned.
Ofcourse this is a Punkt!
Keydeck
QUOTE (Handsome @ Apr 7 2008, 1:35 pm) *
The forum guidelines need to address this before TT becomes useless for many.

They do.

QUOTE
Swearing
Do not swear in topic titles. Ever. All swear words are liable for immediate deletion from topic titles. Swearing in post contents is also discouraged.

And proper feckin' order too!
Handsome
I don't see this being acted out!

I guess it is because BD is a forum moderator or supporter?
Keydeck
Fair point, that fucker needs to watch his bleedin' language. Friggin' pottty mouth he has. It's all fuck this and fuck that and shit and poo and woopsie. There's just no call for it.
Janx Spirit
QUOTE (Handsome @ Apr 7 2008, 1:19 pm) *
People who cannot debate/converse/discuss without the use of Profanity or bad language, are not capable of mature discussions.
They only want to drown-out the others' opinion, scare,etc...
No point talking with such. Not on TT nor in real life.

What's the fucking difference between profanity and bad language? Or does you mean like when it don't be wrote right?
Handsome
laugh.gif
Peace be with you!
Your bait is far too small and insignificant for me.
Keydeck
Damn, girl in the pub last night said the same thing. Secret's out, feck!
AfroKomb
There are some right-winged individuals that hide behind freedom of speech and or religion to express or practise their ideologies. How do you sniff out these imposters?

Does anyone know any comedians that focus on religion?
BadDoggie
QUOTE (Handsome @ Apr 7 2008, 1:19 pm) *
People who cannot debate/converse/discuss without the use of Profanity or bad language, are not capable of mature discussions.

Fuck you and your childish generalisations.

QUOTE (Handsome @ Apr 7 2008, 1:35 pm) *
I am only making a mature judgement on the character of some people here.

No, a sweeping generalisation along with extreme mypoia concerning the content of my posts makes that anything but a "mature judgement". I detest the Victorian period and nearly everything that came out of it from morals to mores to language usage. Shove 'em. Languages don't have words to not be spoken. See a legal discourse on the use of the word "fuck" by an OSU law professor.

QUOTE (Handsome @ Apr 7 2008, 1:43 pm) *
I guess it is because BD is a forum moderator or supporter?

ORLY?! w00t!!! Why didn't anyone tell me? I'm drunk with power! Where's the mod panel? There are some posts which need my attention and careful ministration. EBPLZFIXKTHXBYE!!

woof.
garibaldi
QUOTE (AfroKomb @ Apr 7 2008, 2:00 pm) *
Does anyone know any comedians that focus on religion?

Tommy Tiernan, Dylan Moran, Eddie Izzard to name but three.
They don't focus on religion but they elucidate the farce somewhat.
YouTube will let you see what I mean.
Pas
The whole thing with swearing is if you don't react to it then it stops having a value.

Who has the problem, the person doing the swearing or the person that gets wound up by it?
Handsome
QUOTE (BadDoggie @ Apr 7 2008, 2:00 pm) *
Fuck you and your childish generalisations.
No, a sweeping generalisation along with extreme mypoia concerning the content of my posts makes that anything but a "mature judgement". I detest the Victorian period and nearly everything that came out of it from morals to mores to language usage. Shove 'em. Languages don't have words to not be spoken. See a legal discourse on the use of the word "fuck" by an OSU law professor.
ORLY?! w00t!!! Why didn't anyone tell me? I'm drunk with power! Where's the mod panel? There are some posts which need my attention and careful ministration. EBPLZFIXKTHXBYE!!

woof.

you can only bark.
Go ahead.
I pity those people around you.

QUOTE (Pas @ Apr 7 2008, 3:27 pm) *
The whole thing with swearing is if you don't react to it then it stops having a value.

Who has the problem, the person doing the swearing or the person that gets wound up by it?

Not at-all wound up.
Or else, I might become like him. ( Spewing filth ).

Peace BD smile.gif May you become much smarter and grow up.!
CanadianGal
If you're not wound up by it then why bother making it an issue at all?
Punchbear


Handsome & BD. Pictured recently.
Handsome
QUOTE (CanadianGal @ Apr 7 2008, 3:33 pm) *
If you're not wound up by it then why bother making it an issue at all?

So I guess if anyone talks about any issue, they are wound up by it, by your definition smile.gif

Peace Sis!

PS: I'd say someone is wound up, when they react to some issue smile.gif Not merely passing some comments...
CanadianGal
No, that would not be my definition, you are missing my point completely. You have posted numerous times, on numerous threads about this particular issue saying that it is unnessesary and wrong, yet you say that you are not wound up by it. My point is why bother making such a big issue of it if it actually doesn't bother you in the first place? Besides the obvious, to get a reaction/attention.
P.S. You are doing more than "merely passing some comments" thus you are... wound up?

Edit: Also, I would not consider the use of profanity and "issue." As far as I'm concerned issues are things more consequential, like: poverty, war, child slavery, the environment...etc.
FirstCitizen
QUOTE (CanadianGal @ Apr 7 2008, 3:47 pm) *
No, that would not be my definition, you are missing my point completely. You have posted numerous times, on numerous threads about this particular issue saying that it is unnessesary and wrong, yet you say that you are not wound up by it. My point is why bother making such a big issue of it if it actually doesn't bother you in the first place? Besides the obvious, to get a reaction/attention.
P.S. You are doing more than "merely passing some comments" thus you are... wound up?

It's also possible that he is making this point because certain members persist in making the TT environment unpleasant to be in, and he is frustrated by it.
CanadianGal
I'm not trying to make it unpleasant for him, I'm actually interested in why a person would persist in discussing a topic they later claim to not be bothered by...
Keydeck
And of course if that is his, yours or anyone elses issue then he is going about it in entirely the wrong way. It's been stated many, many times before, if you don't like what certain people are writing then you can...
  • Just ignore them
  • Actually use the forum provided Ignore feature and you won't even see what they wrote
  • Report them to a moderator
If you have no joy there or do not agree with the forum moderation policies then perhaps this is not the place for you. Repeatedly mentioning it in posts just makes you look like a whingy numpty.

Damn, I forgot to say fuck in this post. Eh, fuck!
FirstCitizen
QUOTE (CanadianGal @ Apr 7 2008, 3:56 pm) *
I'm not trying to make it unpleasant for him, I'm actually interested in why a person would persist in discussing a topic they later claim to not be bothered by...

You (as far as I know) are not one of those 'certain' members.
Kommentarlos
Shurely 'feck'?
Punchbear
QUOTE (Keydeck @ Apr 7 2008, 1:44 pm) *
It's all fuck this and fuck that and shit and poo and woopsie. There's just no call for it.

Ride me sideways was another one.

AfroKomb
QUOTE (garibaldi @ Apr 7 2008, 2:14 pm) *
Tommy Tiernan, Dylan Moran, Eddie Izzard to name but three.
They don't focus on religion but they elucidate the farce somewhat.
YouTube will let you see what I mean.

I've got all of Izzard's material (hilarious stuff) and seen some of Moran's. I'll check out the others...thanks.
Handsome
What I do not understand is that I saw what happend to Dino9876. He talked about religion and stuff that bothered some. He got banned, I think.
But BD talks crap in 90% of his posts, with filth everwhere, but lives on.

Now, It really is not a big issue for me, since I know how to handle it, but sicne this is a private forum, I guess such behaviour/partiality is OK. ph34r.gif
Punchbear
QUOTE (Handsome @ Apr 7 2008, 4:22 pm) *
It really is not a big issue for me, since I know how to handle it, but sicne this is a private forum, I guess such behaviour/partiality is OK.

Nope, isn't a big issue for you at all at all.

QUOTE (Handsome @ Apr 7 2008, 9:46 am) *
I object to the word "damn" also.
It is simply too bad to use such a word on people.
If they are damned, it means forever lost!
Please be kind to other human beings. ( Animals are kind to their own, why not we who think we came from them ?).

QUOTE (Handsome @ Apr 7 2008, 10:10 am) *
If you don't know how to be kind to other humans who are of your own race, I shudder!
There IS not future for this race.
Be kind and patient!
Wars don't solve anything.
Profanity has no place on earth!
Grow up!
Only kids fight and shout when they do not get their way!

QUOTE (Handsome @ Apr 7 2008, 10:58 am) *
yes. at that moment.
Oh please...grow up will ya?

kids crying for food and "me first" is survival.
Adults behaving like kids for lack of control is childish! punkt!

There is no excuse for Profanity. ( baring medical reasons).
Using profanity is only to gain control over another person by putting them down. Punkt!.
It IS behaving like kids!
Go meditate on it!

QUOTE (Handsome @ Apr 7 2008, 11:17 am) *
Thanks dear. It was all very useful. I made it!
yeah, but using Profanity has no excuse, and the only reason one might use it is to gain control using emotional abuse.
Both are not good. (How do we define good anyway?)
If you are looking to compare, tell me what is better, to keep control of your tongue when attacked, or to Love your enemy?
Punchbear
QUOTE (Handsome @ Apr 7 2008, 11:23 am) *
Never been to one Invite me!
Which is better? using Profanity or Hypocricy.?

QUOTE (Handsome @ Apr 7 2008, 12:41 pm) *
It is called "IF". If you understood that.
Yes, different points.

I still think it is unnecessary to use profanity.
Those who need to use it, need to go for some communication lessons.!

QUOTE (Handsome @ Apr 7 2008, 1:19 pm) *
People who cannot debate/converse/discuss without the use of Profanity or bad language, are not capable of mature discussions.
They only want to drown-out the others' opinion, scare,etc...
No point talking with such. Not on TT nor in real life.

QUOTE (Handsome @ Apr 7 2008, 1:35 pm) *
I am only making a mature judgement on the character of some people here.
The forum guidelines need to address this before TT becomes useless for many.
While we need to tolerate individual expressions, those who cannot write a sentence without the "F-Word", needs to be banned.
Ofcourse this is a Punkt!

QUOTE (Handsome @ Apr 7 2008, 3:32 pm) *
you can only bark.
Go ahead.
I pity those people around you.
Not at-all wound up.
Or else, I might become like him. ( Spewing filth ).

Peace BD May you become much smarter and grow up.!

QUOTE (Handsome @ Apr 7 2008, 3:42 pm) *
So I guess if anyone talks about any issue, they are wound up by it, by your definition

Peace Sis!

PS: I'd say someone is wound up, when they react to some issue Not merely passing some comments...

Nope.
Not a big issue for you at all at all.
sarabyrd
Toytown shocker, Pb has too much time on his hands!
Punchbear
Hardehar wink.gif Took 5 minutes of rooting through the crazybank.
AfroKomb
QUOTE (ian @ Apr 6 2008, 3:28 pm) *
I cant think of how a religeous person can make jokes of people being non religeous. But I'm sure someone here can.

One could crack a joke concerning non-religious folks as being damned, unclean or being of less importance. I would find that offensive.
sarabyrd
Two bums (= transients) are crashed out on a downtown sidewalk on a hot summer’s day. Two nuns pass by.
“It sure is hot�, says nun #1.
“Yep�, agrees nun #2. “I can’t wait to get back to the convent and have a nice cold bath!�
They continue on their way. Bum #1 turns to bum #2 and asks, “What’s a bath?�
“How should I know?� growls bum #2. “I’m not Catholic�


Damn, is that a religious or non-religious joke? It mentions both Cathloics and non-Catholics and deals with cleanliness.
garibaldi
Ah, SB, the danger creepeth in with the Cathloics! wink.gif
FirstCitizen
Hey everyone, check out the new topic, Is religion really worth talking about when most of the people reading this are unlikely to be religious themselves and their lives won't be affected by religion anyway?
(that's the long version of the title)
AfroKomb
Yes, just like any other topic. Those reading or contributing might be exposed to something new or in a different way...regardless of the state of their opinion.
I've often found my discussions with some non-religious folks to be more progressive than some religious ones.
gemini
back to the topic, thank you BtC for posting the follow ups to the British cases.
Mariposa
This topic needs some pictures.

Pas
I like that. I wonder if I can blow it up to poster size.
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