A Fulda drugstore is not allowed to sell condoms - Germany
The building belongs to the Catholic Church
By that logic no one is Catholic, not even the pope can adhere to every word of the bible.
QUOTE(Hazza @ Mar 25 2008, 2:32 pm) 
No need to give a source. That's how religion works.
If I'm wrong here, then what's god's penalty for going against something advised by the church? And how do you differentiate between what's optional and what's compulsory? I've never heard of optional dogma...
If I'm wrong here, then what's god's penalty for going against something advised by the church? And how do you differentiate between what's optional and what's compulsory? I've never heard of optional dogma...
It is , is it? Who made you such an expert , other than obviously yourself?
Also a big part of Christianity is related to forgiveness or were you missing that day?
Well then there's not much point having a pope then if people in his organisation are just going to ignore what he says and make up their own stuff...
There's also not much point in having government if people are just going to ignore laws and make up their own stuff. I crossed the street on red yesterday, might as well scrap the government in its entirety.
To get forgiveness, you have to regret what you've done and try to not do it again. You can't go slipping on a condom everytime you have sex and asking for forgiveness afterwards when you don't regret it and are just going to do it again next time.
QUOTE(Eleanor Rigby @ Mar 25 2008, 3:02 pm)
There's also not much point in having government if people are just going to ignore laws and make up their own stuff. I crossed the street on red yesterday, might as well scrap the government and all the laws.
That's different. Following society laws are not optional. Joining an organised religion is. If I joined a whiskey appreciation society and decided I didn't like whiskey and would rather just stick to beer, then there's not really much point in joining, is there?
QUOTE(Eleanor Rigby @ Mar 25 2008, 3:00 pm)
By that logic no one is Catholic, not even the pope can adhere to every word of the bible.
Yes and there were lots of corrupt Popes, its almost like their are flaws in this system..
Like I said, I fullheartedly support your moms approach to christianity, I find people like her the reasonable christians.. But if you are going to pick a branch of christianity and then not follow the rules that define that branch, whats the point?
QUOTE(lilplatinum @ Mar 25 2008, 2:59 pm)
And I may just be an athiest who doesnt get it, but I'm fairly well versed in Catholic mythology. Some things you can wriggle around, but Papal Decree is not one of them.
Maybe you are but you don't have to be, I'm an athiest but I still get it. I get the need people have for religion, I personally don't need it but I know and accept that others do.
I get the need for religion, I wasnt arguing that. Im simply arguing what it means to be a Catholic as opposed to a normal xtian.
QUOTE(parnell @ Mar 25 2008, 2:07 pm)
Church source please ?
Just guessing but maybe the Bible?
QUOTE(leky @ Mar 25 2008, 2:56 pm)
I thought God was Jewish
No, only his son. But that had nothing to do with God, only with Mary.
QUOTE(Hazza @ Mar 25 2008, 3:02 pm)
To get forgiveness, you have to regret what you've done and try to not do it again. You can't go slipping on a condom everytime you have sex and asking for forgiveness afterwards when you don't regret it and are just going to do it again next time.
So you've worn a condom every single time in your life that you've had sex?
QUOTE(Janx Spirit @ Mar 25 2008, 3:09 pm)
Just guessing but maybe the Bible?
He said Church.
QUOTE(parnell @ Mar 25 2008, 3:21 pm)
So you've worn a condom every single time in your life that you've had sex ?
I'm not catholic - in fact I don't follow any religion. So whether or not I wear a condom is up to me and I don't feel like I have to answer to any higher power whether I do or not. I don't belong to any kind of religion or organisation that tells me I should or shouldn't wear one, so I think for myself.
I don't know what point you're trying to make here.
QUOTE(parnell @ Mar 25 2008, 3:23 pm)
He said Church.
Church is based on the teachings of the bible, is it not?
QUOTE(Hazza @ Mar 25 2008, 3:30 pm)
I don't belong to any kind of [...] organisation that tells me I should or shouldn't wear one, so I think for myself.
Yes you are, and you still think for yourself, as well as many of those who follow a religion.
You are indirectly calling all believers idiots.
QUOTE(Sinderbox @ Mar 25 2008, 3:36 pm)
You are indirectly calling all believers idiots.
That would certainly be a new attitude here on mainstream TT...
Well I think that you are an idiot if you need someone else to tell you if it's ok to wear a condom or not...Particularly someone who doesn't actually have sex himself
QUOTE(Hazza @ Mar 25 2008, 3:31 pm)
Church is based on the teachings of the bible, is it not?
Listen here is your quote , now you can either back it up or post your source. You will note that you do not mention the Bible in it.
QUOTE(Hazza @ Mar 25 2008, 1:38 pm)
Advising people what to do doesn't really work with religion though. God's word is absolute and if you don't follow it, you're going to hell. That's what the church wants you to believe - there's no advising there. It's just another of those contradictions you have to expect from religious folk.
Since you have never been part of the Church nor have studied its teachings the obvious conclusion is that once again you are posting out of sheer ignorance.
QUOTE(Sinderbox @ Mar 25 2008, 3:20 pm)
No, only his son. But that had nothing to do with God, only with Mary.
Ah so Joseph was Catholic then
OK - then explain to me what catholic dogma is optional and what is compulsary? And what's the penalty that god hands those who break these optional rules?
@ Hazza
Ok so you admit you haven't a clue what you're on about but were just posting out of your ass? Good , a healthy start .
God judges those on the last day. That's it. In the new testament we also learn about the divinity of forgiveness, which more or less replaced the old brimstone and fire stuff from the old testament.
If you couldnt break the rules then Catholics wouldnt have any need for confession now would they? I take it you've heard of confession?
They even sin so much they make it a sacrament.
Ok so you admit you haven't a clue what you're on about but were just posting out of your ass? Good , a healthy start .
God judges those on the last day. That's it. In the new testament we also learn about the divinity of forgiveness, which more or less replaced the old brimstone and fire stuff from the old testament.
If you couldnt break the rules then Catholics wouldnt have any need for confession now would they? I take it you've heard of confession?
They even sin so much they make it a sacrament.
QUOTE(Eleanor Rigby @ Mar 25 2008, 2:42 pm)
My mother considers herself a catholic, believes in evolution, thinks the bible is a myth and yet still believes in and has faith in the roman catholic god. Sure there might be some priests that would consider what she's doing as wrong but there are also many who agree with her and either way, what does she care, she's not catholic to please them. I think this more or less describes most non-fundamentalist religious people today.
The Roman Catholic God is the one Christian God , there is no distinction between Christian sects.
QUOTE(lilplatinum @ Mar 25 2008, 2:49 pm)
If she beleives in the Roman Catholic god she has to beleive that the popes law on earth is pretty much the word of god or shes not really catholic..
Word of God??? Oh dear where did you get this?
yes, the sacrement of reconciliation exist, but i'm pretty sure it's prefered that someone leads his/her life in a manner so that reconciliation does not have to be need.
Parnell- the way you wrote your above post (#72) makes it sound like it's a sweet deal and you can do as you please and then just go and confess away. I'm not a priest, but I doubt mass murder, rape, adultry, etc. would be no issue as long as you just sit in your confessional booth every so often.
Parnell- the way you wrote your above post (#72) makes it sound like it's a sweet deal and you can do as you please and then just go and confess away. I'm not a priest, but I doubt mass murder, rape, adultry, etc. would be no issue as long as you just sit in your confessional booth every so often.
QUOTE(parnell @ Mar 25 2008, 3:57 pm)
@ Hazza
Ok so you admit you haven't a fucking clue what you're on about but were just posting out of your ass ? Good , a healthy start .
Ok so you admit you haven't a fucking clue what you're on about but were just posting out of your ass ? Good , a healthy start .
I just never heard of optional guides in religion before...
But again, can you give me some examples of what is advised and what is compulsary? I would assume that the not killing bit might be compulsary and the not wanking is just an advisory? That sort of thing might make sense.
@ mere
It's preferred but even the sinner can be saved and no one , NO-ONE is beyond redemption.
It's not really a sweet deal ,it's a code and a fucking tough one - ask Alice Cooper :
http://www.thunderstruck.org/cooper.htm
It's preferred but even the sinner can be saved and no one , NO-ONE is beyond redemption.
It's not really a sweet deal ,it's a code and a fucking tough one - ask Alice Cooper :
http://www.thunderstruck.org/cooper.htm
QUOTE
As for the lifestyle found in some quarters of the rock world, Cooper says, "Drinking beer is easy. Trashing your hotel room is easy. But being a Christian, that’s a tough call. That’s real rebellion," he told the London Sunday Times Magazine.
In describing the importance of his Christian faith, he says, "It’s everything. It’s what I live for. If you gave me a choice between rock and roll and my faith, I’d take my faith," Cooper told The Observer in Australia. "Rock and roll is fun—it’s what I do for a living. But it’s not what I live on. I believe in classic Christianity. I’ve given my whole life to the Lord. But I don’t think that means you can’t be a rock and roller."
In describing the importance of his Christian faith, he says, "It’s everything. It’s what I live for. If you gave me a choice between rock and roll and my faith, I’d take my faith," Cooper told The Observer in Australia. "Rock and roll is fun—it’s what I do for a living. But it’s not what I live on. I believe in classic Christianity. I’ve given my whole life to the Lord. But I don’t think that means you can’t be a rock and roller."
Aha, Parnell - so Tommy Tiernan was right all along.
QUOTE(Hazza @ Mar 25 2008, 4:06 pm)
I just never heard of optional guides in religion before...
But again, can you give me some examples of what is advised and what is compulsary? I would assume that the not killing bit might be compulsary and the not wanking is just an advisory? That sort of thing might make sense.
But again, can you give me some examples of what is advised and what is compulsary? I would assume that the not killing bit might be compulsary and the not wanking is just an advisory? That sort of thing might make sense.
well like i just posted it's a code , its not quite optional , but believe me u can fall off the wagon.
QUOTE
To Jesus in His agony on the cross there came one gleam of comfort. It was the prayer of the penitent thief. Both the men who were crucified with Jesus had at first railed upon Him; and one under his suffering only became more desperate and defiant. But not so with his companion. This man was not a hardened criminal; he had been led astray by evil associations, but he was less guilty than many of those who stood beside the cross reviling the Saviour. He had seen and heard Jesus, and had been convicted by His teaching, but he had been turned away from Him by the priests and rulers. Seeking to stifle conviction, he had plunged deeper and deeper into sin, until he was arrested, tried as a criminal, and condemned to die on the cross. In the judgment hall and on the way to Calvary he had been in company with Jesus. He had heard Pilate declare, "I find no fault in Him." John 19:4. He had marked His godlike bearing, and His pitying forgiveness of His tormentors. On the cross he sees the many great religionists shoot out the tongue with scorn, and ridicule the Lord Jesus. He sees the wagging heads. He hears the upbraiding speeches taken up by his companion in guilt: "If Thou be Christ, save Thyself and us." Among the passers-by he hears many defending Jesus. He hears them repeat His words, and tell of His works. The conviction comes back to him that this is the Christ. Turning to his fellow criminal he says, "Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?" The dying thieves have no longer anything to fear from man. But upon one of them presses the conviction that there is a God to fear, a future to cause him to tremble. And now, all sin-polluted as it is, his life history is about to close. "And we indeed justly," he moans; "for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this Man hath done nothing amiss."
There is no question now. There are no doubts, no reproaches. When condemned for his crime, the thief had become hopeless and despairing; but strange, tender thoughts now spring up. He calls to mind all he has heard of Jesus, how He has healed the sick and pardoned sin. He has heard the words of those who believed in Jesus and followed Him weeping. He has seen and read the title above the Saviour's head. He has heard the passers-by repeat it, some with grieved, quivering lips, others with jesting and mockery. The Holy Spirit illuminates his mind, and little by little the chain of evidence is joined together. In Jesus, bruised, mocked, and hanging upon the cross, he sees the Lamb of God, that taketh away the sin of the world. Hope is mingled with anguish in his voice as the helpless, dying soul casts himself upon a dying Saviour. "Lord, remember me," he cries, "when Thou comest into Thy kingdom."
Quickly the answer came. Soft and melodious the tone, full of love, compassion, and power the words: Verily I say unto thee today, Thou shalt be with Me in paradise.
There is no question now. There are no doubts, no reproaches. When condemned for his crime, the thief had become hopeless and despairing; but strange, tender thoughts now spring up. He calls to mind all he has heard of Jesus, how He has healed the sick and pardoned sin. He has heard the words of those who believed in Jesus and followed Him weeping. He has seen and read the title above the Saviour's head. He has heard the passers-by repeat it, some with grieved, quivering lips, others with jesting and mockery. The Holy Spirit illuminates his mind, and little by little the chain of evidence is joined together. In Jesus, bruised, mocked, and hanging upon the cross, he sees the Lamb of God, that taketh away the sin of the world. Hope is mingled with anguish in his voice as the helpless, dying soul casts himself upon a dying Saviour. "Lord, remember me," he cries, "when Thou comest into Thy kingdom."
Quickly the answer came. Soft and melodious the tone, full of love, compassion, and power the words: Verily I say unto thee today, Thou shalt be with Me in paradise.
Cliff Richard bats for the other team and he says he is a Christian.
I'm not sure that has anything to do with anything but I just wanted to join the thread and say something kinda controversial.
I'm not sure that has anything to do with anything but I just wanted to join the thread and say something kinda controversial.
QUOTE(leky @ Mar 25 2008, 3:52 pm)
Ah so Joseph was Catholic then
Joseph was Jewish,
roses are red,
violets are blue.
Non of which is related to what we were talking about.
Jesus was Jewish because his mother was Jewish, regardless of God, Joseph, roses and violets.
QUOTE(Johnny English @ Mar 25 2008, 4:16 pm)
Cliff Richard bats for the other team and he says he is a Christian.
I'm not sure that has anything to do with anything but I just wanted to join the thread and say something kinda controversial.
I'm not sure that has anything to do with anything but I just wanted to join the thread and say something kinda controversial.
So's George Michael. Makes quite a big deal of it between occassional hedonistic bouts.
I have always felt a bit sorry for Joseph 'cos he ended up kinda out the story really. Mary goes and has a fling behind his back with some more powerful omnipresent geezer, and she still gets worshipped 'n that. But Joseph just gets stuck picking up the bills. Seems wrong to me.
QUOTE(Sinderbox @ Mar 25 2008, 4:16 pm)
Joseph was Jewish,
roses are red,
violets are blue.
Non of which is related to what we were talking about.
Jesus was Jewish because his mother was Jewish, regardless of God, Joseph, roses and violets.
roses are red,
violets are blue.
Non of which is related to what we were talking about.
Jesus was Jewish because his mother was Jewish, regardless of God, Joseph, roses and violets.
Boggles the mind this, you have a Catholic god who has a Jewish kid by a Jewish couple.
Shouldn't that be Nun & besides the thread is/was about condoms.
The catholic god is the same as the jewish god.
The catholics just basically added another chapter (well several but you get the point).
The catholics just basically added another chapter (well several but you get the point).
Look if God had used a condom, we wouldn't have any of today's Jebus crap, innit?
Irresponsible shagging - a one cloud stand - Jebus was the result of sex before Medlock.
Irresponsible shagging - a one cloud stand - Jebus was the result of sex before Medlock.
Theoretically it must have been non-consenting sex really? Kinda like a date rape or summat. You can't just go round making random people pregnant without their permission.
It was the first coming of the Lord. She just got caught in the splash.
I saw something white that fell from the sky last night as it happens.
QUOTE(parnell @ Mar 25 2008, 4:00 pm)
Word of God ??? Oh dear where did you get this ?
The doctrine of papal primacy.. A few people disagreed with it, significantly in 1054 and 1517 when the breaks between the Catholic & Eastern Orthodox church and the Cathic & Protestant Churches occured. ALong with this the doctrine of Papal infallibility. Although not everything the pope does is automatically infallibile, they have the power to assert it... If he issues something ex cathedra, Catholic doctrine means its is absolutely true.
QUOTE(Elanor Rigby)
The catholic god is the same as the jewish god.
And the muslim god - technically all abrahamic religions have the same god, its just a hobby of their followers to kill each other to prove they are doing it the right way.
@lilplatinum
Sorry? "the word of God" we're looking for , not that he's the bishop with the pointiest hat.
Even with the whole papal infallibility thing, Joe the Pope doesnt really use it in regards to the Pepsi vs. Coke question :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility
Sorry? "the word of God" we're looking for , not that he's the bishop with the pointiest hat.
Even with the whole papal infallibility thing, Joe the Pope doesnt really use it in regards to the Pepsi vs. Coke question :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility
QUOTE
According to The Complete Idiot's Guide to Understanding Catholicism: "In reality, the pope seldom uses his power of infallibility...rather than being some mystical power of the pope, infallibility means the church allows the office of the pope to be the ruling agent in deciding what will be accepted as formal beliefs in the church."[2] Since the 1870 solemn declaration of Papal Infallibility by Vatican I, this power has been used only once: in 1950 when Pius XII defined the Assumption of Mary as being an article of faith for Roman Catholics
Over in the Barony, Schlecker sells these boyos.
Made in Tubberclair and used in sex before Medlock.
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Made in Tubberclair and used in sex before Medlock.
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He doesn't use it all that often but he still has the power, as I under stand it the power was essentially given Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - the supreme court of Catholilc Kosherness. But God essentially gave to Peter the power of spokesmanship "whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven", and Catholic dogma beleives that the popes power comes as a successor to Peter..
Furthermore when you read Ratzinger's quotes, its pretty sure that the churches position is now to protect against change.. Kinda creepy.
""when Sacred Scripture is separated from the living voice of the Church, it falls victims to the disputes among experts." and [the pontiff] "binds himself and the Church in obedience to God's Word, in the face of all attempts to adapt that Word, or water it down"
Furthermore when you read Ratzinger's quotes, its pretty sure that the churches position is now to protect against change.. Kinda creepy.
""when Sacred Scripture is separated from the living voice of the Church, it falls victims to the disputes among experts." and [the pontiff] "binds himself and the Church in obedience to God's Word, in the face of all attempts to adapt that Word, or water it down"
QUOTE(lilplatinum @ Mar 25 2008, 4:39 pm)
And the muslim god - technically all abrahamic religions have the same god, its just a hobby of their followers to kill each other to prove they are doing it the right way.
I vote this for the best one sentence summary of monotheist religion. (Hindhus, Buhhhists and other less important believers sorry you're left out)
got half way down the second page before I lost the will to live, seems the media brainwashing that went on in the 80s, you know the one "Everyone's at risk", "We'll all know someone affected by this disease in 10 years time", "we're all going to die no matter what our sexual preferences", etc...
It's amazing to see how much of this media generated hysteria has rooted itself firmly in the minds of those around at the time. Let's get a few FACTS right, HIV/AIDS was blown out of proportion in both Europe and the UK, it was claimed that ALL of us were at grave risk of this disease. The truth was held from us, in 1992 a major rag in the UK printed a full page apology regarding the Media claims (I'll try to locate the article), it stated that they were forced to report that everyone was at risk for fear of vigilantes attacking "fringe groups".
these "fringe groups" ladies and gents, are Shirtlifters, Junkies and ladies of unprotected horizontal refreshment. No one else, that's it, move along there's nothing to see here...
And it's still that way today, these three fringe groups are responsible for well over 95% of ALL HIV infections in the Western World. These dirty bastards are the root cause, no one else, please feel free to post statistics saying otherwise. Please don't try to educate me on the goings on in Africa, I'm talking about the educated, Western World where we can tell the difference between our girlfriends fur burger and our brothers ringpiece.
The catholic church banning condoms is of course ludicrous when you consider the real threats of STDs that can be contracted by Hetros, but AIDS/HIV ain't one of them. But hey, don't take my word for it...
World Health Organization Expert Speaks Out
It's amazing to see how much of this media generated hysteria has rooted itself firmly in the minds of those around at the time. Let's get a few FACTS right, HIV/AIDS was blown out of proportion in both Europe and the UK, it was claimed that ALL of us were at grave risk of this disease. The truth was held from us, in 1992 a major rag in the UK printed a full page apology regarding the Media claims (I'll try to locate the article), it stated that they were forced to report that everyone was at risk for fear of vigilantes attacking "fringe groups".
these "fringe groups" ladies and gents, are Shirtlifters, Junkies and ladies of unprotected horizontal refreshment. No one else, that's it, move along there's nothing to see here...
And it's still that way today, these three fringe groups are responsible for well over 95% of ALL HIV infections in the Western World. These dirty bastards are the root cause, no one else, please feel free to post statistics saying otherwise. Please don't try to educate me on the goings on in Africa, I'm talking about the educated, Western World where we can tell the difference between our girlfriends fur burger and our brothers ringpiece.
The catholic church banning condoms is of course ludicrous when you consider the real threats of STDs that can be contracted by Hetros, but AIDS/HIV ain't one of them. But hey, don't take my word for it...
World Health Organization Expert Speaks Out
QUOTE(Eleanor Rigby @ Mar 25 2008, 4:24 pm)
The catholic god is the same as the jewish god.
The catholics just basically added another chapter (well several but you get the point).
The catholics just basically added another chapter (well several but you get the point).
he is also the same one as allah, the muslim god. They just added een more mumbo jumbo to the story.
Africa is a huge catholic population and their fear of rubbers is exacerbating the problem there, not to mention the rampant breeding in latin and south america.. Thats where its more of a travesty.
QUOTE(leky @ Mar 25 2008, 4:23 pm)
Boggles the mind this, you have a Catholic god who has a Jewish kid by a Jewish couple.
Shouldn't that be Nun
Shouldn't that be Nun
Should have been "none".
The rest, well, it is just a broken analysis.
This thread is missing some good catholic jokes,... So a catholic priest, a rapist, and a child molester walk into a bar... Thats just the first guy.
Anyone who has casual unprotected sex is at risk of coming into contact with HIV, and much more besides. The key here is "body fluids". True: most straight HIV sexual transmission is male:female, and a reason why lesbians are generally regarded a relatively low risk group.
For straight men; female partners with e.g thrush or conditions where internal membranes are compromised may offer a way for them to become infected via a female infected partner during unprotected sex, as well as of course through straight unprotected anal sex.
For straight women, it's a lot more obvious where the exchange of fluids is heading, so better protect yourself from those men who think they're at low risk.
Here's an idea. Let's go and encourage all of what was called non- "fringe" groups to adopt the attitude that their HIV risk is minimal/not worth thinking about and revisit the topic in 10 years time to look at those stats... That would be interesting...
Getting back onto religion: Obviously the people who imposed the Schlecker ban are wired to the moon, but there's definately something to say for a sturdy RC upbringing and education. Plus, RC schools usually get the best exam results - a reason why all the suburbanites are trying to get into the correct catchment area for their kids local RC school. We have the origins of religion to thank that we can put pen to paper and speak a language, although maybe Chomsky would disagree.
For straight men; female partners with e.g thrush or conditions where internal membranes are compromised may offer a way for them to become infected via a female infected partner during unprotected sex, as well as of course through straight unprotected anal sex.
For straight women, it's a lot more obvious where the exchange of fluids is heading, so better protect yourself from those men who think they're at low risk.
Here's an idea. Let's go and encourage all of what was called non- "fringe" groups to adopt the attitude that their HIV risk is minimal/not worth thinking about and revisit the topic in 10 years time to look at those stats... That would be interesting...
Getting back onto religion: Obviously the people who imposed the Schlecker ban are wired to the moon, but there's definately something to say for a sturdy RC upbringing and education. Plus, RC schools usually get the best exam results - a reason why all the suburbanites are trying to get into the correct catchment area for their kids local RC school. We have the origins of religion to thank that we can put pen to paper and speak a language, although maybe Chomsky would disagree.
QUOTE(paulwork @ Mar 25 2008, 6:09 pm)
...We have the origins of religion to thank that we can put pen to paper and speak a language, although maybe Chomsky would disagree.
I disagree too. In fact, I think civilisation would be far more advanced if it wasn't for religion. Many a scientist suffered at the hands of religion over the ages and many (like Galileo for example) were persecuted for their findings. I'd hate to think how many potential scientists were scared out of doing any real research throughout the ages for fear of religious persecution.
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