Ex-Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher in hospital

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7284697.stm

Just shoved a bottle of fizzy in the fridge. It's only a cheap prosecco, will get some champagne from Aldi tomorrow.

Harsh but i do understand you .

Do you think whatever it is might be contagious among politicians, and that she might give it it H*rper and B*sh as well? maybe? *knocks wood*

Oh Lordy, Lordy me! An awful lot of people die in hospital, I've heard.
I won't quote or give you a link to the statistics since I'm not in a
Castilian mood this morning. Some news just cheers one up!

Bitch survived and has been released.

Fucking bunch of disrespectful cunts.

oh god, do i really have to agree with Schotte?

everyone sees the light eventually.

You kids weren't even born when she was fucking up the country. What the fuck would you know?

errr yes I was. I grew up under Thatcher. I watched the country being transformed from an international joke and a shithole under Labour to a competitive and flourishing country. And I'm now watching that all fall apart from afar. The biggest cunts on this planet are Labour supporters and people who insult Maggie.

Listen OG, you call me a Labour Supporter and you'll get a smack in the mouth. "competitive and flourishing"??? What fuckin' planet are you from, eh? She stole the natural wealth of the country that the taxpayers had paid for (admitedly, Labour were fuckin' it up beforehand) and flogged it all off cheap to her mates... who then completely fucked it. She turned the country into a nation of paper-pushers, marketing consultants and estate agents, so if you've got anything to contribute to manufacturing anything of any significance you are forced to go abroad... where it's happening. Look at my industry: laser technology. The UK is way down the list of manufacturing countries, below Italy, below France, almost below Holland for fucks sake, while the main laser companies from Santa Clara to Shanghai are run by Englishmen who had the brains to get the fuck out of a shithole fit for chavs and pikeys. THAT's the evil, stupid, narrow-minded bitch's legacy. I'd have her strung up by piano wire if I could.

She's still alive? She looked like shit in Genesis' "Land of Confusion" video, and that was like 20 years ago!

England hasnt been on its own for hundreds of years either, but i dont mock your right to pretend you arent "British"!

Show some respect for the best PM Britain has ever had.

oh, and youre a labour supporter. smack me in the face will you, i dare ya!!

Tell it to all the people in manufacturing that lost their jobs, she destroyed our industrial base and slyly allowed a war with Argentina to start to save her own arse, sod the poor bastards who lost their lives to get her an election victory wrapped in the flag.

pricks like skargill are more to blame.

re: falklands, who was it that invaded who exactly...?

The Argentinian invasion was telegraphed and well known, Thatcher signalled Britain's indifference by announcing that the Endurance was to be scrapped thus ending any presence in the area.

Anyway, off to the rugby, read up on what i lived through eh?

Sin, Thatcher or no Thatcher, manufacturing belongs in China and India, not UK or Europe. Certainly not western Europe anyway. Calm down and go for a walk. Its a nice day!

If thatcher hadn't got tough with the unions and pulled britain out of its socialist death spin, the whole country would have died on its arse, or did you all forget about the strikes, power shortages, 3 day weeks etc. of course she wasnt perfect, no politician is, but people who cant see the positives in what she achieved are rather blinkered IMO.

and anyway sin, I understand exactly what you are saying about manufacturing, it is a shame that we have no industry any more - but I honestly think that if we hadn't got out of that when we did, we'd be looking a lot worse now with the rise of china and india as rick de is saying above

There are some fools about who seem to think she was some kind of saviour when she was as far removed as you can think from such a description. Of course I remember the strikes and the blackouts and the 3-day weeks. I remember a time before the strikes and the blackouts and the 3-day weeks too. I remember there being decent education. I remember there being a decent health service. I remember a decent transportation system. I remember there being decent, low-cost housing. I remember hovercrafts and Concordes and technical excellence. Labour were a bunch of idiots after Heath. The Liberal Party never represented any viable opposition (in fact, for the entirety of the 1980s neither did Labour). What Thatcher (Shit! Even typing her name makes me want to spit blood) did was to cheapen us. To fleece us. To rob us blind and sell back what we had collectively owned in the first place having shuffled off the cream to her sponsors. HM Opposition were partly to blame for not being able to organise a piss up in a brewery. And, you young boys wimping on about manufacturing going to China and India because this is the only kind of low-level manufacturing you have any recollection of. To remind you; nearly 70% of the 20th century's significant innovations came out of the UK. Less than 10% were developed there. Thatcher (Shit! Can I stop typing that cunts name?) wasn't your saviour. She was your thief. Idiots. She separated the cuntry into Them and Us and now you've got people bemoaning the chavs and the pikeys and the steal-anything-to-get-ahead mentality because that's the only way the untermensch she created can get ahead in the first place. CCTV. OHDC. It's the money stupid. And now you've got a housing bubble about to burst because a generation of kids has been forced to buy their housing at vastly over-inflated rates in a market with nothing underneath to support its billowing bulk. Three little words: YOU'VE BEEN 'AD! I got so fed up of the corruption oozing out of her fuckin' quangos pouring the ever lowering tax collection into the pockets of her pals that I planned my ex-patism during the 80s. I HATE what has happened to my country. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. And if there is one person who stands out higher than most as responsible, it's she.

Hey, Mrs Thatcher is extremely nice!

Some more Mrs Thatcher, bless her!

At least she didn't pick her nose in public like Gordon Brown

LOL

I just love her hectoring self-righteous voice and that habit she has of placing firm intonation on EVERY WORD of THE POINT that she is MAKING.

They dont make em like that any more!

It looks like he eat it as well. Gross!

Who´s that turnip head sitting on the other side of Blair? Tubby Prescott I presume..

Ah Scargill - he was completely off his trolley. Living in socialist Alice-in-Wonderland. Plus of course he was THE ENEMY WITHIN.

And Galtieri and his motley crew of fools, they of course did Thatcher a BIG favour in invading the Falklands. The idiots never even realised that was just the sort of challenge the Iron Lady loves. And she enjoyed every minute of it. Fools fools. Tut, these foreigners. Never underestimate the British Bulldog.

You don't get it do you rick? This isn't about bLIAR, Brown and Prescott, bunch of total cunts that they are. This is about that evil bitch and the damage she did to a nation. The UK had had a lack of leadership for decades. She came into a void and brought a very unhealthy imbalance which is in danger of turning turtle today. The likes of bLIAR, Brown and Prescott laid down any visions they may allegedly have had in the first place to emulate the bitch to win power and I've not seen them do much with that power except try to keep it since they got in. Let me remind you that if she was such a great leader, and the greatest leader The Conservatives had had in eons, why did her own people slip the knife in between her shoulder blades? She was a danger to the country, she was a danger to her party, and she was a danger to herself.

And this isn't about Scargill either. Idiot played so well into her hands he might as well have been bought and paid for.

Keeping me head well down today.
Just to point out that an intense dislike of Th*tcher doesn't mean one is a fan of the Labour Party either.

Some people can only exist in the two-dimensional, MT.

C'mon, how many women have had an economic theory and practice named after them? Thatcherism has gone down in history as a decisive era in the history of the UK.
Tongue. firmly. cheek.

Matter of fact, I blame a lot of the current UK society difficulties on the funding cuts for schools, youth centers and community facilities 30-odd years ago.

Not getting into the political pros and cons, but I don't really see the point of putting the bubbly in the fridge - I mean, she's been history for a long time now anyway. It won't make any difference to her legacy whether she pops her clogs today or in 10 years time.

I miss British Rail. If we could get a decent rail service back again, that would be worth opening a bottle for.

It'll never happen until Britons swallow the unpalatable pill that it's either low taxes or it's services and structure, GreenTea. You just can't have both. That woman conning people that by lowering their tax burdens below what was safe to keep a nation supported somehow it would be all right turned out to be a big mistake. It wouldn't have been quite so bad if she and her cronies had sold off the national treasures AND invested with the money, but she/they didn't. They shafted us. They sold up and pocketed it. The transportation system is a joke. Unless you live in a big city you have to have a car and yet the motorways are badly overloaded. The thinking was all supposed to be about selling cars. Brilliant when you don't actually make any cars anymore, eh? Why didn't somebody point that one out to these chinless wonders... with a shovel round the back of the cranium. Everybody is forced into the burden of home-ownership in a market on the verge of collapse. Even our education system has the feel of 'Buy Now Pay Later'. As for the NHS, they well and truly destroyed it: Care in The Community on one hand and reductions to Police and supporting staff on the other was blindingly clever, wasn't it? As for holding a little war so a few kids could get quietly culled for the public relations to win an election and turn around your mounting unpopularity... even with a joke for an official opposition. Then she's all pally with the likes of General Fuckin' Pinochet. Shit! Let's wheel out Adolf and watch them perform oral sex together. Makes me want to puke. The United Kingdom is going down the toilet until and unless a real leader stands up, grabs the reins tightly, opens people's eyes, explains clearly what the deal is, and takes the country forwards. It's a progressive thing. Only problem is that there are no progressive politics in The UK. You've got the fattest Mr. Bean impressionist for a Prime Minister being heckled in The House by a Leader of The Opposition who's only practical knowledge to the nation is where the best hairdresser in W1 is, while further down the opposition benches a bunch of la-di-da's discuss what's the best colour to make people vote for them. ARGH! Ah! Ah! ARGH!

I'm no Thatcher fan, but weren't the Thatcherites saying the same thing in 1979?

Would you believe I persuaded my mum to vote for that woman in 1979? I think the speech outside No.10 about ...of The People, for The People or however it went shows how much these bastard politicians lie to us. Would you believe I voted for bLIAR in 1997? That'll teach me, eh?

Maggie is one of the greatest leaders the UK has ever had. Whether you agree with what happened during her reign is another discussion, but she definitely put the UK back on the World stage.

It's just an illusion, Von. You've been had.

Nope. I'm 45 years old. I lived through the shit before Maggie and the (continuous) shit after Maggie. The girl done good. She has her place in history.

Mate. I'm 46 and from The South. She was a devisive bitch who stole from us to line the pockets of her mates. I'm not for a second claiming that the country wasn't in a mess in 1979, but claiming she was our saviour is like thanking the nice shark for swimming alongside us in the water. Think how much better it should have been.

I'm not for one moment going to enter into a political debate about Maggie. We're of a similar age, but at that time in my life Maggie was God; "greed is good" and "lunch is for wimps". I've moved on since then but the lady will always have a special place in my heart. For no other reason than she taught me how to be me. Sounds obtuse, I know, but there you go.

That woman defined the word and meaning of c*nt !

God will judge the wench !!!

Without Thatcher we'd be nowhere. She mobalised a country and gave us direction. She stopped the rot and put us on the path to be well placed in the future. Destroying the unions would come in handy here too tommorrow.

totally agree gideon.

I can see that sin has a pretty strong hatred of her- but what i'd like to know is how he thinks it could have been done better, and what he thinks would have happened if there had been no thatcher

Britain was practically a third world country before she transformed it into one of the world's leading economies. You just can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs and even if she did kill off certain job sectors with tactless zeal, they were doomed anyway.

Killing off job-sectors is one thing (funny how they still exist in many western countries though), but shatting on the people and communities who relied on them was, and still is., unforgiveable.

Yeah, keeping 300,000 people employed in expensive coal mining is a good way of using your population.

The nationalisations by Clement Attlee and policies supported by John Maynard Keynes were more destructive than anything the Iron Lady changed...

...and that's why you're in Germany, I suppose.

Thatcher was on the cards by the end of the Heath term, as was confrontation. Two entrenched sides without a leader to find the common ground of transition into the future. Thatcher was no more than a mindless thug in political terms, fighting an election (1979) against a bumbling civil servant who should have had the balls to call the election 26 months earlier instead of letting the United Kingdom sail rudderless through disaffection, division and dissent. Callaghan's clinging-on-by-the-fingersnails approach, Rinkagate's torpedo of the third party alternative and Thatcher's jolt to the right presented a 5.2% swing and a 43 seat majority to a Conservative government.

Maybe you are right. Maybe the country did need a wake-up call in the spring of 1979. It should of all been over by 1984 at the latest, but then that cunt of a woman engineered a cozy little war that in hindsight we had zero chance of losing. US, French and Chilean Intel, not to mention our own, had been warning of the Argentinian Junta's dream, if possible, of invading The Falklands. Then The Argentinians stood up and told us their intentions in the UN. What did she do? She metaphorically flew down to the islands and rolled out a red carpet that she'd hand-stitched the words WELCOME GALTIERI in gold thread into. Any mindful and honorable politician (if they actually exist anymore) would have recognised, given all the diplomatic training, almost instantly, that bolstering the islands' protection force would have been the logical, and dare I venture, economical thing to do. Unless of course you have ulterior motives. Unless you've swung The Dirty Digger behind your back. Unless power is more important than anything else. 258 of 'our boys' were killed and 777 wounded for little more than a public relations exercise. Pah! Peanuts! I hear you say. Worth it for the great television alone.

With HM Opposition being a national joke by this point divided by the walkout of The Gang of Four she swept all aside, and her brand of 'We're the majority. Fuck everybody else' really kicked off. The Miner's Strike was a terrible lowpoint in the history of The British Isles. Prepared to import Australian coal at hugely inflated prices, she didn't tackle the issue of modernisation with any intelligence whatsoever. She declared war on the men who had been members of unions that had previously given her predecessor a bloody nose. She declared war on their wives, she declared war on their children, their friends, their families and their wider communities. She was a thug, through and through. All of a sudden we had a real untermensch selected purely by profession. It was evil, and allowed to occur because the opposition had no power to balance the madness. A knife sliced right through the centre of a country divided. It was all public relations, Saatchi & Saatchi, Buy Now, Pay Later, our government can be mindless thugs, ergo so can we. Concensus politics dead and buried. bLIAR and chums lost and lost and lost and then one day listened, learned, assimulated and won. How could it have been better? I'm sorry, I can't give you an imagination. Could it have been much worse?

And if our little band of Über-Thatcherites believes differently. You know the way back to Blighty, don't you?

Are you takin' the piss?

Naaaa I came here to avoid being blown up by your friends exercising their democratic right to kill children...

Seriously, I came here for other reasons, but the without Thatcher to wake the country up would we have taken those different routes? Would we have been inspired to try new things nstead of going down the same old way? Had we had Thatcher before maybe my home town would still have one of the biggest and most modern deep see fishing fleets in Europe, an industry destroyed by an ineffectual government's foriegn policy.