This weeks Time magazin has this item coming.
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Antidepressants don't work
Now your shrink is up the creek without a paddle
Bollocks.
First, the URL is http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,...1717306,00.html
Second, that's only a sigle meta-study.
Third, that meta-study didn't assess any recent targeted studies.
Fourth, that meta-study did admit to finding higher efficacy where patients were further out from the norm. Big surprise there.
Finally, this story was on Digg, reddit, and everywhere else days ago, vote-spammed up by $cientologists who are collectively at war with psychology, psychiatry and psychiatric medicine, despite their own criminally ineffective "solutions". Perhaps if ElRon had had better treatment in the 1940s when he briefly went to a shrink we wouldn't have this criminal cult today.
woof.
First, the URL is http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,...1717306,00.html
Second, that's only a sigle meta-study.
Third, that meta-study didn't assess any recent targeted studies.
Fourth, that meta-study did admit to finding higher efficacy where patients were further out from the norm. Big surprise there.
Finally, this story was on Digg, reddit, and everywhere else days ago, vote-spammed up by $cientologists who are collectively at war with psychology, psychiatry and psychiatric medicine, despite their own criminally ineffective "solutions". Perhaps if ElRon had had better treatment in the 1940s when he briefly went to a shrink we wouldn't have this criminal cult today.
woof.
I fail to see what this story has to do with the Scientologists.
EDIT: did you read the article BadPuppy ?
EDIT: did you read the article BadPuppy ?
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What makes this one so important — the results were front-page news across the U.K. on Tuesday — is that the researchers were able to track down comprehensive unpublished trial results from the drug makers themselves before the drugs were authorized for sale in the U.S., and include them in their review of the literature. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) must receive records of all relevant pharmaceutical-company trials, both published and unpublished, before it will approve a drug. Under the Freedom of Information Act, the researchers writing in PLoS Medicine were recently able to obtain those FDA records of industry-sponsored clinical trials...
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The more troubling question concerns what kind of data is appropriate for analyzing a drug's efficacy. The companies are correct in claiming there is far more data available on SSRI drugs now than there was 10 or 20 years ago. But Kirsch maintains that the results he and colleagues reviewed make up "the only data set we have that is not biased." He points out that currently, researchers are not compelled to produce all results to an independent body once the drugs have been approved; but until they are, they must hand over all data. For that reason, while the PLoS Medicine paper data may not be perfect, it may still be among the best we've got.
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The more troubling question concerns what kind of data is appropriate for analyzing a drug's efficacy. The companies are correct in claiming there is far more data available on SSRI drugs now than there was 10 or 20 years ago. But Kirsch maintains that the results he and colleagues reviewed make up "the only data set we have that is not biased." He points out that currently, researchers are not compelled to produce all results to an independent body once the drugs have been approved; but until they are, they must hand over all data. For that reason, while the PLoS Medicine paper data may not be perfect, it may still be among the best we've got.
QUOTE (meckle @ Mar 4 2008, 2:26 pm) 
I fail to see what this story has to do with the Scientologists.
The mention was made because it was them upvoting the story on all the "social network" and other such sites. The same people who voted this one up were the people who down-voted all stories exposing Scamitology (digg, reddit, Scoop & Slash all allow viewing a user's voting history).
As I wrote before, the meta-study utterly failed to take into account more recent targeted studies, and it's hardly a surprise that people who aren't pretty whacked out to begin with aren't going to show much change, just as those with the mildest of headaches (as well as those with none at all) aren't going to show any significant relief from taking analgesics.
woof.
This was the BBC's top story last week! The full report is availible open access on PLOS Medicine here
Having being on two of the drugs in the report, one did nout for me except leave me suffer the side effects. And the other worked in conjection with talking therapies.
I have written my experiences here
Having being on two of the drugs in the report, one did nout for me except leave me suffer the side effects. And the other worked in conjection with talking therapies.
I have written my experiences here
I read about this on the front page of the Süddeutsche Zeitung last Wednesday...
However, the consequences of publishing this study could be enormous. If it is true, that SSRI's function mainly on a placebo effect, what do you think will happen to all of the people who now think that taking them is now useless? To my knowledge (which, granted, is not so great) there is little research on a 'reverse placebo effect'.
However, the consequences of publishing this study could be enormous. If it is true, that SSRI's function mainly on a placebo effect, what do you think will happen to all of the people who now think that taking them is now useless? To my knowledge (which, granted, is not so great) there is little research on a 'reverse placebo effect'.
The antidepressant that works for me is chocolate... lots and lots of chocolate. Hubby prefers the German traditional treatment - beer!
QUOTE (spillerkoln @ Mar 4 2008, 3:17 pm)
Having being on two of the drugs in the report, one did nout for me except leave me suffer the side effects. And the other worked in conjection with talking therapies.
To my knowledge and in my opinion, anti-depressants should only be used in conjunction with another form of therapy such as counselling. To expect that such a complex and intangible illness as depression or other mental illnesses could be treated by drugs alone is foolish and irresponsible.
Pfff, people taking antidepressants that work are not going to read one article that disputes what they have experienced over years and then suddenly go depressive again. Next.
QUOTE (BadDoggie @ Mar 4 2008, 3:52 pm)
As I wrote before, the meta-study utterly failed to take into account more recent targeted studies, and it's hardly a surprise that people who aren't pretty whacked out to begin with aren't going to show much change, just as those with the mildest of headaches (as well as those with none at all) aren't going to show any significant relief from taking analgesics.
woof.
woof.
Yeah and as I quoted above they gave their reasons for that.
time has never been uptotheminutenews.
so i bow my head in shame BD for not surfing the net(and TT) constantly.
P.S.:BD has got me now, i am most secret agent from Lronhub and his goons
so i bow my head in shame BD for not surfing the net(and TT) constantly.
P.S.:BD has got me now, i am most secret agent from Lronhub and his goons
Does anyone else have an earworm by Verve after reading the title?
Earworm - hahaha never heard that before - very good!
And yes totally heard that song in my head as soon as I saw the story (on the beeb last week)
The other song of theirs that gives me an earworm is Bittersweet Symphony when walking down O'Connell street in Dublin. I don't know why 0 this is not a street you want to be bumping into randomers on but there you go!
And yes totally heard that song in my head as soon as I saw the story (on the beeb last week)
The other song of theirs that gives me an earworm is Bittersweet Symphony when walking down O'Connell street in Dublin. I don't know why 0 this is not a street you want to be bumping into randomers on but there you go!
QUOTE (daisydaisy @ Mar 4 2008, 3:24 pm)
To my knowledge and in my opinion, anti-depressants should only be used in conjunction with another form of therapy such as counselling. To expect that such a complex and intangible illness as depression or other mental illnesses could be treated by drugs alone is foolish and irresponsible.
hey up now i never said that, (BTW i didnt suffer from Depression but an associated disorder, your given the same drugs). Sometimes they aint worth it when you get mots of the side effects though.
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