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Germany up to 26th? At this rate my kids are actually going to have to be pretty good to play on the national side.
Does Mike Tindall have kids yet? Can we get some of them to try out for the German seniors? Pls?
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Germany now 26th in world rugby rankings
This is of some concern to me, a bad omen
Deutschland wieder auf dem Vormarsch.
well it's taken them 5 years to go up 3 places.
when they get in the top ten I'll start to worry...
when they get in the top ten I'll start to worry...
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Also Fiji and Tonga are top 10 - I don't want my kids playing against those beasts.
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Also Fiji and Tonga are top 10 - I don't want my kids playing against those beasts.
With the number of Germans who emigrate to places liek Australia, New Zealand and South Africa (see any episode of Goodbye Deutshland or Mein Meues Leben XXL) maybe the German team can advance up the rankings by picking up players who grow up in the junior systems of those countries but can't quite crack the top-grade. After all, it is the way of modern rugby
Parnell, maybe you should consider moving to Heidelberg, half the national team are in local teams here.
...and that probably has a lot to do with the fact that they're allowed to play it in schools there. Not so here in Bayern.
USA is number 19. Be worried, be very worried.
QUOTE (Beg Tets @ Feb 26 2008, 1:08 pm) 
...and that probably has a lot to do with the fact that they're allowed to play it in schools there. Not so here in Bayern.
why cant they play in schools in bayern, insurance reasons? my school in the uk stopped us playing because they said we might get hurt!!! this was shortly before i went to play for Nottingham Moderns B team and got half of my teeth kicked out so they may have been right, but i have never regretted playing rugby (paying for my dentists now yes). I think its far better than playing football and as a team game you build a comradship far above virtually any other team sport. and if Germany can get better all for it, the more teams the better, you only have to look at Italy over the last few years to see how things can get better
QUOTE (eurovol @ Feb 26 2008, 1:21 pm)
USA is number 19. Be worried, be very worried.
There was a change in sports teaching at some point between 1978 and 1987.
While in junior school (the 78 period) we played all kinds of sports (football, rugby, cricket, track and field etc), this carried on into secondary school. We had around 4 hours a week of PE.
In while visiting a mate in London (the 87 period) we went to his sisters sports day (junior school).
They had such sports as throwing bean bags into big hops placed on the ground, who can stack the chairs the quickest and pout a bucket of water on top.
The 25 meters sprint.
Pointless and stupid, not a sports day. More an activity outside day.
As with most things in the UK, if we invent it we are good at it for a while then everyone else catches up and over takes us.
When you have kids that should be running the 100 meteres doing the 25 and kids who should be playing football/rugby etc stacking chairs... who can be suprised.
As long as sport is not taken seriously in school from the basic level we will always be over taken by countries that do take it seriously or at least do not have the attitude that sport is to dangerious.
While in junior school (the 78 period) we played all kinds of sports (football, rugby, cricket, track and field etc), this carried on into secondary school. We had around 4 hours a week of PE.
In while visiting a mate in London (the 87 period) we went to his sisters sports day (junior school).
They had such sports as throwing bean bags into big hops placed on the ground, who can stack the chairs the quickest and pout a bucket of water on top.
The 25 meters sprint.
Pointless and stupid, not a sports day. More an activity outside day.
As with most things in the UK, if we invent it we are good at it for a while then everyone else catches up and over takes us.
When you have kids that should be running the 100 meteres doing the 25 and kids who should be playing football/rugby etc stacking chairs... who can be suprised.
As long as sport is not taken seriously in school from the basic level we will always be over taken by countries that do take it seriously or at least do not have the attitude that sport is to dangerious.
Scogs, a lot of NZ schools are playing more football/soccer than they used to. Why? Because there is generally a lot more to a Pacific Island-descended 12-year old than a European-descended one. It's not just for insurance (as NZ has a unique personal liability system), mashed kids aren't so tasty.
Kids' rugby at club level sometimes groups on size rather than age for this reason or touch is played instead/as well.
At least that's what the teachers I met there said, but union isn't about to die out there in any case.
Kids' rugby at club level sometimes groups on size rather than age for this reason or touch is played instead/as well.
At least that's what the teachers I met there said, but union isn't about to die out there in any case.
Oh no its going to be one of them sports again.We invent and develop it and then the whole world is better at it than we are just like football.Soccer to the people from the other side of the pond
QUOTE (parnell @ Feb 25 2008, 3:15 pm)
Germany up to 26th? At this rate my kids are actually going to have to be pretty good to play on the national side.
Not to worry. Rugby is not the same as football worldwide - the critical mass of players and fans only exists in a few places in the world. The only teams which can even be considered "good" are mainly in the top 10. The only reason that some teams make up the top 20 is not because they're good, but because they just have a team.
Its is possible that in the next 10 years we will go from being good to being one of those 'just because we have a team'...
QUOTE (Katrina @ Feb 26 2008, 1:48 pm)
mashed kids aren't so tasty.
Dont go down that route
if you were a bloke you woud be arrested for just saying that
I still havnt figured out yet why i am bottom of the predict a score, so maybe i should shut up this thread
QUOTE (Katrina @ Feb 26 2008, 1:48 pm)
Scogs, a lot of NZ schools are playing more football/soccer than they used to.
Proper footie is actually more popular among the youth population in NZ than rugby...but we're still completely shit at it as a nation tho, but that's kinda ok cos it's well poofie.
QUOTE (cb6dba @ Feb 26 2008, 1:57 pm)
Its is possible that in the next 10 years we will go from being good to being one of those 'just because we have a team'...
Blasphemy
QUOTE (cb6dba @ Feb 26 2008, 1:57 pm)
Its is possible that in the next 10 years we will go from being good to being one of those 'just because we have a team'...
because rugby is not popular as it should be.. and nobody really cares about it. I think after 50 years Rugby will be a sport for 10 'just because we have a team' nations, if that's what rugby community wants than they are doing everything right! yes, and some teams from top-10 trying to reduce the number of RWC participants, what a great policy!
I'm Georgian, played about 5 years and now there are 4 from my team playing for our national . I got a question following EN since 2000, why there are no first and last teams swapped between EN and 6N in Europe (then I can imagine motivation of 6N outsider )? guess it would make rugby a bit more popular in Europe.
. I got a question following EN since 2000, why there are no first and last teams swapped between EN and 6N in Europe (then I can imagine motivation of 6N outsider Look at football, how it's growing all around the world: UEFA lets Kazakhstan in, European Cup in Austria & Switzerland, WC02 in South Korea & Japan, WC10 in RSA and many other examples..
Errrm, as far as I was aware Rugby was increasing in popularity at a much faster rate than football
lev, I assume you are talking about the top team in the EN going up and the bottom in the 6n down. The 6n is a tournament and the EN is a league, in which the teams do go up and down.
QUOTE (lev @ Feb 26 2008, 3:20 pm)
I got a question following EN since 2000, why there are no first and last teams swapped between EN and 6N in Europe (then I can imagine motivation of 6N outsider )? guess it would make rugby a bit more popular in Europe.
The European Nations Cup to which you refer is organised by FIRA-AER, the European governing body for rugby. FIRA-AER has been tasked by the IRB to regulate and promote rugby in Europe EXCEPT for the 6 Nations teams. England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland are not members of FIRA-AER all (except England) are founding members of the IRB.
The 6 Nations is a closed-shop competition which pre-dates the re-organisation of FIRA within the IRB ranks (the original "Home Nations Championship" dates back to the 1890's). There is no real reason why there *couldn't* be promotion between the ENC and 6N but is wasn't conceived that way and at the moment, there is too much money at stake for the team that would get relegated. The standard of the ENC will also have to improve considerably before such an idea can be taken seriously, though.
There is hope for the development of the game outside of the top 10, though. The IRB is pumping millions into the sport for example with the new Asian 6 Nations Championship, the Pacific 6 Nations Championship and the Churchill Cup. I just wish some countries would do more support developing teams instead of pushing for more closed shops.
I personally like the idea of a "european cup" for rugby, threre are a lot of imirging nations in rugby, Romania as an example, and Italy I think at some stage will wim the 6 nations, not quite yet but give them a few years, all of rugby is about how the game, stratergy and the way the ball is handed around, you can get big packs and stil loose, (tonga or samoa) as examples and one guy can win a game I remember watching wales at the old cardif arms and seeing a welsh payer who i played with in the 7s in hongkong (dusty) kicked the whole game and i still think he was the best ever kicker in the world even tho welsh JW is good as well
Timmeh, depends how you measure increase of popularity..
few years ago I have seen 45-65 thousand people coming on rugby matches.. but nothing changed for last 10 years, same teams, more or less same results.. no new challenges, that won't make rugby popular.
Owain Glyndwr, clear how the system works but the fact is really sad (and bad for rugby future, and if it's really bad than system should be changed, IMHO), 6N outsiders have safe place in 6N and ENs do not have a chance to play against tops, without this latter no team will ever improve.
few years ago I have seen 45-65 thousand people coming on rugby matches.. but nothing changed for last 10 years, same teams, more or less same results.. no new challenges, that won't make rugby popular.
Owain Glyndwr, clear how the system works but the fact is really sad (and bad for rugby future, and if it's really bad than system should be changed, IMHO), 6N outsiders have safe place in 6N and ENs do not have a chance to play against tops, without this latter no team will ever improve.
The thing is lev is it is "our" tournament and we have several cups that go along with it, if for example England/Scotland got kicked out then we would not be able to have the Calcutta cup or the Triple crown, yes we could have separate games for these but it wouldn't be the same, and with the number of Premiership rugby games it really isn't feasible to have any more tournaments, I would like tosee other European nations joining in though, but I can't see that happening unless club rugby in those countries becomes bigger or exists.
RBS 6Nations
RBS 6Nations
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In 1871, England and Scotland played the first rugby union international. After 12 years of occasional friendly matches between the teams, the inaugural Home International Championship, comprising England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales was played in 1883. England won the first series, along with a Triple Crown. Up until 1893, England and Scotland were the only champions, with Wales winning their first title that season. Ireland won their first title the following season. The 1908 and 1909 championships won by Wales, although won during the Home Nations era, could be regarded as Grand Slams, as they also defeated France both seasons.
In 1910 the French, who had played in four of the tournaments up to that point, officially joined the competition and coined the phrase "Five Nations". England won the first championship of the new era, with the Welsh achieving the first Grand Slam the following year. The competition was suspended during World War I (1914-18). In 1931, France were ejected from the tournament, which reverted to being the "Home Nations" from 1932 through to 1939. The competition was suspended again during World War II (1939-1945). With France back in the competition, the Five Nations resumed in 1947, with a shared victory for England and Wales. France won their first shared title in 1954, and their first outright title in 1959.
In 1910 the French, who had played in four of the tournaments up to that point, officially joined the competition and coined the phrase "Five Nations". England won the first championship of the new era, with the Welsh achieving the first Grand Slam the following year. The competition was suspended during World War I (1914-18). In 1931, France were ejected from the tournament, which reverted to being the "Home Nations" from 1932 through to 1939. The competition was suspended again during World War II (1939-1945). With France back in the competition, the Five Nations resumed in 1947, with a shared victory for England and Wales. France won their first shared title in 1954, and their first outright title in 1959.
QUOTE (lev @ Feb 26 2008, 4:04 pm)
Owain Glyndwr, clear how the system works but the fact is really sad (and bad for rugby future, and if it's really bad than system should be changed, IMHO), 6N outsiders have safe place in 6N and ENs do not have a chance to play against tops, without this latter no team will ever improve.
I think you are looking at this the wrong way. Simply having game time with the top nations won't improve the standard of rugby for the developing nations. All you will get are meaningless one-sided games. What is more important is that money is invested into creating long term structures to improve the game. The ENC, along with similar tournies in other parts of the world, is a step in the right direction. But that and the 6 Nations is not the be-all-and-end-all. Domestic structures need to be in place to create at the minimum a sustainable semi-pro league structure. The top clubs from the developing countries need access to cross-border competitions (for example the European Challenge Cup). Once you get the players exposed to regular competition of a decent standard you can then start to think about making a case for regular games with the top 10 countries in the world.
I got your point leky, completely agree.. but think that current state will not make rugby popular. If you want more people (in the world) watching, supporting, taking their children to rugby, we should not have this kind of boundaries! or, as Scogs proposed, we need rugby European cup.
Club rugby (any sport actually) is much harder to develop, usually players migrate to highly-paid clubs in other countries.
Club rugby (any sport actually) is much harder to develop, usually players migrate to highly-paid clubs in other countries.
QUOTE (Owain Glyndwr @ Feb 26 2008, 5:17 pm)
Simply having game time with the top nations won't improve the standard of rugby for the developing nations. All you will get are meaningless one-sided games. What is more important is that money is invested into creating long term structures to improve the game.
this is also important but.. much more money is invested in rugby in Germany, for example, than in Romania and Georgia together, so?! amounts of money does no affect much, IMHO, Georgians still don't have rugby stadium, fighting with football federation every now and then. Maybe we should stop playing rugby?
and look at the Italy, do you think they would be on the same level if all these years they had played in ENC?
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