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Delia Smith makes Kaiserschmarrn (ish)

But is it right to use pre-made pancakes?

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Katrina
Oh Delia.
I'm not sure what to write about this, but it is a heck of a shock.
But packet pancake Kaiserschmarrn?
It just sounds, well, ersatz.


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These were the Austrian emperor Franz Joseph’s favourite pancakes – and delightful they are, too. He ate them with sultanas, but I think dried cherries are even better. And his chef wouldn’t have had the benefit of buying ready-made pancakes, so it’s not half the bother it was then.

Oh Delia, if I were you, I wouldn't be going near the Alpenländer for your holidays for a while, oooh no.
Them mountain folk get a wee bit touchy about such things.
Beware, Saint Delia, oh beware.

PDF recipe for those that dare.
Showem
I guess that's one of her recipes from How to Cheat at Cooking, her new recipe book.
Pas
All over the BBC this morning asking that.

I got into trouble for saying that anybody should be able to cook mashed potatoes so I'll keep my opinon on how anybody who can't make pancake mix is a complete waste of space to myself.
Katrina
Nigella's instant pancake mix is a wee wonder - the 150g of mix used for each batch comes up to half a pint on the jug I use, 250ml milk and an egg, whirl it with the mixer stick and speedy yum pancakes can be yours. I do love Nigella probably more than I should.
RainyDays
It looks a little burned.

The real thing
osmachar
QUOTE (Pas @ Feb 16 2008, 9:03 pm) *
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I got into trouble for saying that anybody should be able to cook mashed potatoes so I'll keep my opinon on how anybody who can't make pancake mix is a complete waste of space to myself.

Yup. Mashed potatoes, pancake batter etc - easiest things ever. Why use a packet??? In the time you open the packet and read the instructions you could have made it yourself.
Eleanor Rigby
The locals also make it using stale bread instead of making the batter from scratch.
HydroSkater
I can't believe that a "professional" chef is recommending packet anything! Whatever next?!?!?
What's wrong with a bit of "elbow-grease" (as we say up north)?
Katrina
From the link in the initial post:

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What is missing, she believes, is realism. Nothing against Jamie - 'I absolutely adore Jamie; I think he's a real cook'; and nothing against Nigella -'You're not going to switch that off, are you? You're sitting there absolutely fascinated. You might not want to rush out and do the recipe, no…'

But it is sad, she says, if people are being made to feel that only professional chefs can cook, and that what you do at home can never replicate what you see on television. Most people don't have the time to cook a full, nourishing meal from scratch, and many young people don't know how to cook at all, often falling back on expensive readymades and takeaways, and a surfeit of fat-laden and sugary snack foods that are pushing the nation towards an obesity crisis. But there is a way to enjoy home cooking that is quick and healthy, by using selected ready-prepared ingredients, including frozen products - as Delia has it, a 'whole new approach to cooking and eating'.

She has scoured supermarket and delicatessen shelves to come up with 100 recommended 'hidden servants', as she puts it. Thus a recipe for a meze plate includes branded Odysea aubergine meze and stuffed vine leaves; an 'amazing moussaka' includes tinned minced lamb from Marks & Spencer and frozen chargrilled aubergine slices from Asda. A recipe for 'good old shepherd's pie' stipulates Aunt Bessie's Homestyle frozen mashed potato.

I can sort of see some of her point.
But then again, I do rush out and do Nigella's recipes, so I'm probably not the target market here.
While Kaiserschmarrn from packet pancakes is a step too far for me, as some food is just meant to be slow, some "components" can be really useful.
Take roasted peppers: my grill at home is crap, using my griddle pan to create charred peppers makes for a very smoky kitchen, I could a load in the oven, but then I need to be organised enough to use them up. So when Gordon Ramsey in his latest F Word book says that the ones out of a jar are ok, I tend to agree with him (the pepper, feta and basil bake is lovely btw).

Virtually everyone uses some form of food helper - whether frozen creamed spinach, tins of cooked beans or pre-made stock.
And that is fine.
But Delia isn't speaking to those that love a frozen pea or several.

Delia is aiming herself at the Bing Generation, who don't cook at all but only reheat while watching others cook on TV.
Maybe such people do not cook for time reasons. Or no family role model taught them how. Perhaps they cannot be bothered?
But Delia's middle-way might get people back into the kitchen.
And could even get them to start modifying the recipes, who knows? It's a nice thought at least.

It's easy for me to be snobby about packet pancakes (because I don't believe they can taste nice and won't suit the dish), but I'm a relatively well-off single person with only my own time to manage and who doesn't have a long commute.
So if I used packet mash, it would be for my own convenience or laziness.
But I shouldn't pretend that it is home cooking either.
HydroSkater
Things are getting bad when we need a TV programme to show us how to use packet food! LOL
gideon
Agree with Kathrina. Simply put there are a bunch of muppets out there who are to stupid or scared or just simply clueless when it comes to basics. Packet smash and pancake mix have their market, just as much as people who by ready made appfelschörle for home consumption.
jeremy
Well if anyone has no time with two kids to look after it should be me. But I make time for food as I believe it to be a hugely important part of life. Learning about food is so important to our well being.

I shop at our town farmer's market very often, buy organic meat from a nearby farmhouse, buy freshly caught fish driven down from Hamburg most weeks, and buy fresh eggs from a nearby village farm. The trips to buy the ingredients are for me part of the experience. I am always loking out for improvements to oiur diet. We order the odd veg box and shop organic. At the moment I live out of the "Jamie At Home" book.

In fact on Shrove Tuesday I bought farm free range eggs and made traditional pancakes with freshly squeezed lemon, right out of the Delia Online website. I never used to like lemon on pancakes until I realised I'd been brought up on those shittty Jif lemon plastic containers. Yuk! Original pancakes with lemon are fantastic.

The secret is to make time for it all. When someone says they have no time it's only because they want to watch more X Factor or whatever on the TV. It was only when I made my own bread and püizza bases from svcratch when I realised how much fun and how unbelievably easy cooking is.
Eleanor Rigby
Cooking is fun, I love the entire process of planning, shopping, cooking and of course eating. I love dedicating and entire afternoon (or more) to preparing a meal, it's very enjoyable for me when I have time. The entire experience is cheapened if I don't make it from scratch but I don't like throwing things together in a hurry or cooking when I'm just not in the mood, on those days we order out or go out or its frozen pizza or packaged something or other.

Keep in mind though, some people get absolutely no pleasure from cooking, some people get very little pleasure from food in general. I am not one of those people and you can tell by the size of my ass.
osmachar
QUOTE (jeremy @ Feb 18 2008, 3:43 pm) *
Well if anyone has no time with two kids to look after it should be me. But I make time for food as I believe it to be a hugely important part of life. Learning about food is so important to our well being.

...

The secret is to make time for it all. When someone says they have no time it's only because they want to watch more X Factor or whatever on the TV. It was only when I made my own bread and püizza bases from svcratch when I realised how much fun and how unbelievably easy cooking is.

Agree.

people should just involve their childtren in the food preparation. that way the children learn something and you can keep an eye on them and also spend time with them.
gideon
QUOTE (Eleanor Rigby @ Feb 18 2008, 2:56 pm) *
Keep in mind though, some people get absolutely no pleasure from cooking, some people get very little pleasure from food in general.

Sad buggers though...
iain
QUOTE (osmachar @ Feb 18 2008, 11:00 am) *
Yup. Mashed potatoes, pancake batter etc - easiest things ever. Why use a packet??? In the time you open the packet and read the instructions you could have made it yourself.

Actually that is a 'bit' of an exaggeration I hope, although I have never made packet mashed potatoes. Although I'm really very proud of my vegetarian doesn't like vegetables grew up on fast food thinks cereal is good for three meals a day girlfriend. Yesterday when I cooked up some mashed potatoes with butter fried onions and mushrooms and then baked it for a bit with cheese and bread crumbs on top. She is eating and she says you know what might taste excellent if you did up the soy protein with mexican spices and put the mashed potatoes and everything on top and then baked it. She just reinvented the shepherd's pie! I'm so happy! We may actually start to eat interesting veggie things in the house!
don_riina
Dunno about ready-made pancake mix, but I see nothing wrong with people using ready made pancakes. Yep, making batter is easy - but how many people utterly screw up the actual pancake cooking bit? How many people have a decent crepe pan or usable substitute? Many people are going to make a right old mess of making a pancake, the biggest problem likely to be how thick it is. Thickness may not play much of a role when you are just having a plate of pancakes with lemon juice and sugar on them, but if you are going to use some pancakes as a wrapping for a fillet of beef to then wrap in puff pastry (pancake protects pastry from getting soggy you see), then overly thick pancakes made by a muppet are going to be useless.
Keydeck
QUOTE (don_riina @ Feb 18 2008, 5:01 pm) *
pancakes made by a muppet

Chef in action

osmachar
Saw this episode on monday night and the Kaiserschmarrn was 'a Schmarrn' in my opinion.
catmom
As Kaiserschmarrn is one of my favourite meals since childhood ( beware - I'm born Bavarian ! ) I strongly oppose Mrs Smith's cheater's dish. The real thing is unsurpasssed. I came upon pancakes much later in life, so I almost thought them to be 'failed Kaiserschmarrn'. Queer, isn't it ? So much of our predilections are shaped by childhood experience.
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