Adopting some Sharia law in UK is unavoidable

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7232661.stm

Quote: " The Archbishop of Canterbury says the adoption of certain aspects of Sharia law in the UK "seems unavoidable".
Dr Rowan Williams told Radio 4's World at One that the UK has to "face up to the fact" that some of its citizens do not relate to the British legal system. "

I just cannot believe it, read for yourself!

I would want to share my culture but live under the same fair rules as everyone else.

If I am not seen as equal under the law I will fight for that.
However, to just have a different legal system for different people...is...well...weird.

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I don't think that's the Archbishop voting in favour of it is it?

It's him being pragmatic and saying don't bury your heads in the sand and ignore its presence.

Sure why not?

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_an...icle1848488.ece

If I were in the UK and the child of Muslim divorcing parents, I would not want custody or child support issues to be decided by a Sharia court. Unless I had already been brainwashed by Muslim fundamentalists.

Dr. Williams has some impressive eyebrows..


They don't have to choose, they are free to immigrate back to some pissant theocracy where they can follow their silly religious laws and be sentenced to death for being caught drunk a few times.

Im going on holiday to saudi arabia carrying a big bottle of stolen whisky and wearing a bikini with my cock hanging out the side..Im sure they'd be reasonable and allow me to live by my own laws - wouldn't they??

So it's ok for muslims to head west and expect to abide by their own rules rather than their host country's rules, but not the other way around. What a load of crap.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle3321637.ece

Its not called "being pragmatic".
It's called "trying to solve issues with stupid solutions."

Also which parts of Sharia law would you take on?
The part where stoning is allowed or only the part where women count as less credible witnesses in court *wonders with amusement*

I guess that headline is better than:

"Religious leader tries to drum up support and sympathy by scaring people with the specter of 'others' and 'foreigners' taking over their culture"

wash, rinse, repeat

...or "religious leader shows why his religion is dying by displaying just how ready it is to bend over and get shafted by everyone else"

The words "Christmas", "voting for" and "turkey" spring to mind. He needs to resign.

My thoughts exactly.

I am not British but I think if these "citizens" do not relate to the British legal system, they should take it elsewhere. They have taken on the British citizenship and they have to respect the British culture. I mean if they want to live as a fundamentalist Muslim why don't they live in Saudi Arabia or Iran?

actually, I'd like to know why it is "unavoidable" as he says

Well, I am British and that's exactly how I feel. However, the British government have been far too lenient for far too many years and given in to the Muslims for too long (mosques built, kosher meat served at school dinners, headscarves allowed etc - they've even stopped Christian assemblies in schools now because it might offend those of other religions!!) - hard to turn back the clock now. I used to go to a Church of England school where there were kids of other religions - in those days they just didn't attend our Christian assemblies but now we, it seems are bowing down and sacrificing our beliefs/principles.

I have friends from all walks of life including Muslims and have nothing whatsoever against people practising their religion but they can do it without trying to impose it on others. I feel this way about any religion.

As we become more international and as the boarders between countries become less important, isn't it a good idea that our laws reflect the changing population?

What about your christian schooling? That's religion being imposed upon you.
Religion in schools is a big no-no IMO

No it is not. This is how anti- democratic regimes would take over. Uneducated can not be equal to educated.

Not when it comes to religion. Governments & laws need to be completely secular whilst allowing religious practices to continue, but religion should never be allowed to seep into the state's systems as it removes it's neutrality.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree, I'm just throwing the question out there.

We live in a democratic society so (in theory) our laws and our government reflect the wants of the majority. If, for example, there comes a time that muslims are the majority in Britain and they want to instill sharia law. Would you accept that?

This will happen eventually. This is how democrasies fall. This is how Iran fell, this is how Turkey will fall soon and this is how US will fall 50-60 years from now on.

So basically democracy will fail.

The only way to avoid this is to be undemocratic.

I think there might be a "bit of a scrap" before we got to that point?

ER we've only just got around to removing the christian clauses out of laws. Adding another set of dogma details is wrong. I agree with Timmeh. Laws should be "faith neutral" but should take into account the sensibilities of all religions present in a country. I also think the A oc C is a media attention whore. Bu the does probe and cause debate which has to be applauded.

oh and PURE theoretical democracies have never really existed nor will they. If they did they would fail.

Like I said, I haven't expressed whether I agree or disagree I just wanted to highlight the catch-22 situation.

It's not completely implausible under the current system of government that a sharia party is formed that at some point gains enough support to be voted into goverment.

Agreed, but you show me a christian school that actually endorses or teaches this form of law. (So do not go quoting the old testament "eye for an eye" etc) Do not forget that church linked schools in the UK are available by choice, you do not have to go to one. Religious education lessons are also opt-out and have been since my day in school in the 1970s. (Maybe they are compulsory in NZ but not in the UK)

Do not click on the link if you are squeamish.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/6.htm

It is Sharia law.

(By the way, I do not care much for religion in any form)

This link is for you Timmeh:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story...jectid=10334250

So far so good, but then...

Bullshit! Fuck them and their sensibilities. If they had any sense they wouldn't subscribe to a religion to begin with.

Gideon, go back to page 1 and read comment #6 by worm. He's the only person here talking any sense.

Edit: I'm adding canaryman to my list of "People on this thread who aren't wrinting like thick-as-Marmitte pussified tree-hugging kumbaya-singing ass-kissing whingers.

woof.

As long as you're not caught in a car driven by a WOMAN, I think you'll do fine.

pfffft...as if! they cant even reverse park for fucks sake

I don't claim they do. Their poisoning is much more subtle than that of Islam.

Right. So how many children are given the option at the age of 5 to choose a secular school or a religous school? It's the parents forcing their religion onto their children. In a perfect world, all schooling should be secular. If the child then decides to follow the ridiculus teachings of religion outside of school, then that's their own choice.

Well, I'm not too sure why that's for me, but it's just another example of idiotic followers of religion and their lack of reason and logic.

Edit. Oh wait, I get it. Because I'm from NZ, you linked to a NZ newspaper! Man, nice one, I must remember that.

The English win a footie match and suddenly the next day the Anglican Church is all for Sharia? Now that must have been some night of binge there...

Agreed that religion is dodgy and should be choice and not enforced.

Please give me an example of how a christian school "poisons" the attendees to actually agree that stonings are "acceptable", in the way that muslim schools teach this subject.

Please be specific and give links to school, its teachings and its curriculum.

I knew you would like the link.

Believe it or not, this is from the Liberal-well-lefty Graunaian...http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1713628,00.html

Fall to what? I think it's more likely the southern states would secede than the whole country "fall" into some nebulous state of undemocratic chaos. After all, it does quite well that way already.

You've misunderstood what I've written. Go back and read it again, you may need to sound out some of the bigger words.

yeah, it was super

Heh, I can see the scenario unfold:

Binge Buddy: Whaddayasay about the match tomorrow?
Archbishop of Canterbury: Hah! The day the English NT wins at Wembley, I'll turn Muslim.

Nope, answer the question. It is a reasonable question.

Thanks in advance.

Come on man, just one example will do. Tell you what, post up a blog...I will read and consider it

Another lovely example of the fairness of treatment under Sharia law. If people want to live under Sharia why don't they fuck back off to countries where it is the rule of law? The answer is that they're trying to spread the system, as directed by their book, and taking advantage of the West's openness and willingness to be more inclusive in order to do so.

woof.

You are truly thick. I never claimed what you've asked me to answer, below.


You have misunderstood. You didn't sound out the big words like I told you to, did you?
How about you stop being a muppet and quote me where I'm saying that christian schools poison their students to accept that stonings are acceptable?

Timmeh "avoids the question" SHOCKER!!!

You either have a very slow link to google or you cannot find a single site (even a blog) to back up your argument.

Stick to telling everyone that Apple Macs "never" have problems (cannot find a site for that either, eh"

Now, I asked you a serious question which was to back up your argument, so far you have not... oder? (I have plenty of time)

Come on, show me the "poison" from christian schools. Show me (what in your opinion) are poisonous teachings...eye for an eye, etc etc. Show me one school that teaches that or anything equivalent..

I have given you a link to one of your very own muslims that endorses stonings...show me the christian equivalents that a taught in schools.

One, just one!!

canaryman

I also thought Timmeh was avoiding the question until I went back and read your original question:

Please give me an example of how a christian school "poisons" the attendees to actually agree that stonings are "acceptable", in the way that muslim schools teach this subject.

Quote my argument and I will back it up.
Canaryman in "retarded moment of the day" SHOCKER

This is the part that really concerns me, as it is happening.

They tried these religious "family courts" in Canada, f I am correct, and decided they needed to pull them (not sure why). There was a move to try to have them in the U.S. too, but as far as I am aware they have failed.

BTW they were not just Muslim courts, but Jewish ones. Next we will be getting Scientology courts

It's highly unlikely that Turkey will fall soon. The turban debate will end soon cause half of MHP is backing out already. Turkey was set up as a secular country, will remain a secular country and there is no way the army is going to let things go to such extremes.
In case some of you are wondering who the MHP is, they are the CDU of Turkey, or so better called the "hardcore nationalists".

Ok to phrase it yet another way.

The old testament teaches eye for an eye, revenge, etc etc (quite poisonous) agreed, but does not teach that these days (300 years ago maybe)

Sharia still teaches stonings are ok (as my link shows)

Dimmeh claims that both religions are as poisonous. Whilst I do not subscribe to enforced religion I do not agree that all religions are teaching poison as Timmeh is implying

So, lets see one christian school teach the equivalent of stonings and the poison that Timmeh claims they all put out

Apologies for my lack of clarity

Timmeh, the floor is all yours

Wrong, as always from you on Turkey.

Being less poisonous does not give the right to spread the bullshit, does it?

LOL goes to show you voted for the religious and the nationalist pact in Turkey.

Quote me. Where do I say that they are both as poisonous?

Good for you, that's your opinion, and sista, you're welcome to it. In my view, all religion is poisonous to humanity.

Once again, quote me where I say this. You are just trying your darndest with your little brain and fat fingers to twist what I wrote. Go back, quote the relevant passages of my text, then come back and we can discuss.

This isn't something new as a concept.
My grandmother used to live "out in the colonies" and she told me that civil cases culd be heard under various legal systems.

No, I'm not in favour of women being left penniless just becasue their chauvanist bastard husband wants to tade them in for a new model etc.
But we already allow pre-nuptual agreemennts to circumvent standard divorce law, oder?

Ah, brilliant argument, my good man. You let loose on Lifeisabuffet with stunning blows of vicious logic and demonstrative proofs which have shown unequivocally that she is, indeed, is a nincompoop and that Turkey is bound to fall to those dastardly headscarf-wearers who would have us refrain from enjoying even the most basic breakfast foodstuffs. I salute your abilities in both debate and rhetoric and remain yours,

in Christ,
J. Humphrey Featheringhamshaw-Witherspoon