Full Version: Shooting in Schwanthalerhöhe (8am, 29.Jan.2008)
Husband just called to tell me that he heard on the radio that some woman was shot in the street this morning - anyone heard anything?
I heard it was a double murder... a man and a woman both shot int he back of their head... don't knwo anythign else yet though.
Ok they just made an update ont he radio that apparently shortly atfer 8 a man shot a woman and then himself aswell or something but they are both still alive...
Ok they just made an update ont he radio that apparently shortly atfer 8 a man shot a woman and then himself aswell or something but they are both still alive...
Just passed by on the way to Kindergarten. Ganghoferstrasse is blocked off. Loads of police and emergency services on the scene. Spoke to other rubbernecks at the scene who said a man shot his wife and then himself. They tried to revive the woman but she's since died.
glad I'm an early riser..I head down Ganghoferstrasse on my way to work
Men!
Seriously though, I never heard of as many "If I can't have her no one can" murders before I moved to Germany, what is it with these men who do that?
Seriously though, I never heard of as many "If I can't have her no one can" murders before I moved to Germany, what is it with these men who do that?
Before you rush to judgement why don't we wait for the facts and their nationality. Maybe they weren't German.
She didn't say they were German.
I didn't say German men. I have simply noticed more of it here.
murder-suicides are every where, there is an incredible amount of them in North America, and has been for a long time. Just read most newspapers... its really sad.
Does anyone have a link to a news article on this? I haven't been able to find anything and don't have radio at work.
Schießerei im Westend - Familientragödie mit zwei Toten
QUOTE (Münchner Merkur)
Gegen etwa 8 Uhr morgens hat sich an der Kreuzung Schwanthaler-/ Ganghoferstraße eine Familientragödie ereignet. Laut ersten Polizei- und Medeinberichten gab es dort eine tödliche Schießerei. ... Ein 45-jähriger Türke habe seiner 24-jährige Exfrau
If they were German, can we deport them too?
Oh snap!
I caught the end of this on the Arabella news, seems at least the guy is Turkish. No info yet regarding motive. Conflict management is not everyone's forte, a fact that regularly leads to grief.
Thanks for the link! (that's exactly my corner...eeek)
QUOTE (Kay @ Jan 29 2008, 9:05 am) 
She didn't say they were German.
"before I moved to Germany, what is it with these men who do that". These men - German. The that is - If I can't have her no one can.
It doesn't really matter, but exactly who are these men? Is it, "If I can't have her no one can" that I just happen to hear more about in Germany?
QUOTE (Genie @ Jan 29 2008, 9:30 am)
If they were German, can we deport them too?
No, they must move with Nokia to Romania.
QUOTE (TexMunich @ Jan 29 2008, 10:38 am)
It doesn't really matter, but exactly who are these men? Is it, "If I can't have her no one can" that I just happen to hear more about in Germany?
maybe wait to hear the facts first? the police have yet to disclose any detailed info.
QUOTE (DDBug @ Jan 29 2008, 9:00 am)
what is it with these men who do that?
Because women can't shoot straight?
Both dead, child injured. Motive said to be jealousy. He was 45, she was 24, the daughter 6. Sounds like it may have been an arranged marriage but that is just me speculating.
I can't stand the way Germans call this kind of murder a "Familiendrama". It's murder, not a drama.
I can't stand the way Germans call this kind of murder a "Familiendrama". It's murder, not a drama.
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Pronunciation: \ˈdrä-mə, ˈdra-\
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Etymology: Late Latin dramat-, drama, from Greek, deed, drama, from dran to do, act
Date: 1515
1 a: a composition in verse or prose intended to portray life or character or to tell a story usually involving conflicts and emotions through action and dialogue and typically designed for theatrical performance : play — compare closet drama; b: a movie or television production with characteristics (as conflict) of a serious play; broadly : a play, movie, or television production with a serious tone or subject <a police drama>
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Pronunciation: \ˈdrä-mə, ˈdra-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Late Latin dramat-, drama, from Greek, deed, drama, from dran to do, act
Date: 1515
1 a: a composition in verse or prose intended to portray life or character or to tell a story usually involving conflicts and emotions through action and dialogue and typically designed for theatrical performance : play — compare closet drama; b: a movie or television production with characteristics (as conflict) of a serious play; broadly : a play, movie, or television production with a serious tone or subject <a police drama>
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QUOTE (sarabyrd @ Jan 29 2008, 10:03 am)
I can't stand the way Germans call this kind of murder a "Familiendrama". It's murder, not a drama.
its been along time since you lived in the US, its called the same there too!
I never heard it call a family drama in the states
Most of the murders where I came from involved bar fights... Dad wiping out a whole family because he couldn't handle rejection was pretty darn rare compared to here.
Most of the murders where I came from involved bar fights... Dad wiping out a whole family because he couldn't handle rejection was pretty darn rare compared to here.
Isn't it though probably more a case of there are so many murders and shootings in the USA that it is no longer news worthy? Or they just call it a family disput?
QUOTE (DDBug @ Jan 29 2008, 9:05 am)
I didn't say German men. I have simply noticed more of it here.
Because it's still "news". It's not as common as pigeon shit.
QUOTE (Carm @ Jan 29 2008, 9:13 am)
Just read most newspapers... its really sad.
No, because it's so common in the US that it often doesn't get more than a paragraph buried on page C-14.
QUOTE (TexMunich @ Jan 29 2008, 9:38 am)
These men - German.
No, a Turk. But thanks for playing.
QUOTE (sarabyrd @ Jan 29 2008, 10:03 am)
Motive said to be jealousy. He was 45, she was 24, the daughter 6. Sounds like it may have been an arranged marriage
Gee, ya think? You don't figure a 17-year-old girl just went out and hooked herself up with a 38-year-old man?
QUOTE (Moonboot @ Jan 29 2008, 9:46 am)
maybe wait to hear the facts first? the police have yet to disclose any detailed info.
NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!
Are you insane? You're not a n00b; this is Toytown. This place lives for speculation and uninformed opinion. If people actually waited for answers rather than spewing their shit all day long Editor Bob would have to go get a real job again.
woof.
According to latest radio reports, the man was NOT the ex-husband, but the ex-husband's uncle. The radio reported that the shooting was probably because the woman had rejected the uncle's advances.
Defending the family honor !!! That must be it
deco, which radio station was that? Arabella is saying that it was the husband and that she had left him for another man.
@ BadDoggie - I have heard that chewing gum helps.
@ BadDoggie - I have heard that chewing gum helps.
Radio Charivari. They just announced it on the radio, but haven't updated their web report yet.
Munich Police
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Am Dienstag, 29.01.2008, kurz vor 08.00 Uhr, fielen in der Schwanthalerstraße Ecke Ganghoferstraße mehrere Schüsse. Zeugen sahen eine Frau zusammenbrechen. Neben ihr stand ein weinendes Mädchen. Ein Mann, der offensichtlich auf die Frau geschossen hatte, richtete sodann die Waffe gegen sich selbst und schoss sich in den Kopf. Mehrere Passanten und Anwohner, darunter ein 9-jähriger Schüler, waren Augenzeugen des Vorfalles.
Rettungskräfte und Polizei trafen alsbald am Ereignisort ein. Sowohl die Frau, als auch der Mann lebten noch. Während die 24-Jährige noch vor Ort verstarb, wurde der Täter in eine Klinik eingeliefert. Dort starb er ca. eine Stunde später. Bei der Untersuchung des Mädchens vor Ort stellte sich heraus, dass es ebenfalls einen Treffer erhalten hatte. Es handelt sich um einen Durchschuss im Torax. Die 5-Jährige wurde in eine Kinderklinik eingeliefert, wo sie zur Stunde operiert wird.
Nach ersten Ermittlungen der Mordkommission hat die Frau kurz vor der Tat ihre Wohnung in der Schwanthalerstraße verlassen, um die 5-jährige Tochter in den Kindergarten zu bringen. An der Kreuzung Ganghoferstraße muss der Täter gelauert und sofort geschossen haben. Laut Zeugenaussagen schoss der Täter auch gezielt auf das Kind.
Beim Täter handelt es sich um den Onkel des geschiedenen Ehemannes des 24-jährigen Opfers. Nach bisherigen Erkenntnissen war das Opfer von 2001 bis 2005 mit einem 27-jährigen Türken, der auch Vater des Mädchens ist, in Wuppertal verheiratet. 2005 wurde die Ehe geschieden. Im Januar 2007 zog die Frau mit ihrem Kind von Wuppertal nach München. Hier war sie bereits wieder eine neue Beziehung mit einem Landsmann eingegangen.
Nach weiteren Erkenntnissen soll der Onkel des geschiedenen Mannes und jetzige Täter, der sich seit 1976 in Deutschland aufhält, der Frau nachgestellt und um sie geworben haben. Angeblich hat sie seine Annäherungsversuche jedoch stets zurückgewiesen. Möglicherweise könnte deshalb als Tatmotiv verschmähte Liebe oder Eifersucht in Frage kommen.
Rettungskräfte und Polizei trafen alsbald am Ereignisort ein. Sowohl die Frau, als auch der Mann lebten noch. Während die 24-Jährige noch vor Ort verstarb, wurde der Täter in eine Klinik eingeliefert. Dort starb er ca. eine Stunde später. Bei der Untersuchung des Mädchens vor Ort stellte sich heraus, dass es ebenfalls einen Treffer erhalten hatte. Es handelt sich um einen Durchschuss im Torax. Die 5-Jährige wurde in eine Kinderklinik eingeliefert, wo sie zur Stunde operiert wird.
Nach ersten Ermittlungen der Mordkommission hat die Frau kurz vor der Tat ihre Wohnung in der Schwanthalerstraße verlassen, um die 5-jährige Tochter in den Kindergarten zu bringen. An der Kreuzung Ganghoferstraße muss der Täter gelauert und sofort geschossen haben. Laut Zeugenaussagen schoss der Täter auch gezielt auf das Kind.
Beim Täter handelt es sich um den Onkel des geschiedenen Ehemannes des 24-jährigen Opfers. Nach bisherigen Erkenntnissen war das Opfer von 2001 bis 2005 mit einem 27-jährigen Türken, der auch Vater des Mädchens ist, in Wuppertal verheiratet. 2005 wurde die Ehe geschieden. Im Januar 2007 zog die Frau mit ihrem Kind von Wuppertal nach München. Hier war sie bereits wieder eine neue Beziehung mit einem Landsmann eingegangen.
Nach weiteren Erkenntnissen soll der Onkel des geschiedenen Mannes und jetzige Täter, der sich seit 1976 in Deutschland aufhält, der Frau nachgestellt und um sie geworben haben. Angeblich hat sie seine Annäherungsversuche jedoch stets zurückgewiesen. Möglicherweise könnte deshalb als Tatmotiv verschmähte Liebe oder Eifersucht in Frage kommen.
So the short of it is, the man waited for the woman and kid and shot them both, then shot himself. He died and so did the wife, and the girl was also shot but was operated on and is not dead. The man in question is the uncle of the ex husband of the women.
QUOTE (Hutcho @ Jan 29 2008, 1:06 pm)
The man in question is the uncle of the ex husband of the women.
So doch a family honor crime?
The deed of a totally warped brain. Does he expect his niece to be completely promiscuous and shag him just because she left her husband and found someone else? Argh!
I hope the girl pulls through, a shot to the thorax is not pleasant. And: What does the husband make of all this?
@ Genie - I don't think so. The uncle didn't shoot the woman because she left her husband, he shot her because she shunned him. Jerk crime.
I hope the girl pulls through, a shot to the thorax is not pleasant. And: What does the husband make of all this?
@ Genie - I don't think so. The uncle didn't shoot the woman because she left her husband, he shot her because she shunned him. Jerk crime.
QUOTE (sarabyrd @ Jan 29 2008, 1:47 pm)
a shot to the thorax is not pleasant.
You don't say?!
Ah, right right, I didn't read the last paragraph. Jerk crime indeed.
how sad. here's hoping the daughter survives poor mite.
apparently the girl is now out of danger.
Dunno about the "honour killing" theory - those don't usually involve the "executioner" killing himself as well, do they?
One thing's for sure - it will provide ultra right-wing groups like Promünchen with a rich source of propaganda.
One thing's for sure - it will provide ultra right-wing groups like Promünchen with a rich source of propaganda.
GT, this has nothing to do with them being foreigners, German men do the same.
http://www.jurablogs.com/de/ordnungswahn-d...ann-zum-moerder
http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,222949,00.html
The right-wingers should rejoice - two less foreigners in Munich!
http://www.jurablogs.com/de/ordnungswahn-d...ann-zum-moerder
http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,222949,00.html
The right-wingers should rejoice - two less foreigners in Munich!
and one little girl without a mother
QUOTE (sarabyrd @ Jan 29 2008, 5:43 pm)
GT, this has nothing to do with them being foreigners, German men do the same.
http://www.jurablogs.com/de/ordnungswahn-d...ann-zum-moerder
http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,222949,00.html
The right-wingers should rejoice - two less foreigners in Munich!
http://www.jurablogs.com/de/ordnungswahn-d...ann-zum-moerder
http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,222949,00.html
The right-wingers should rejoice - two less foreigners in Munich!
Brilliant - I can see the next NPD campaign - "Gewehr für jeden Ausländer". Foreigner violence was never better.
Oh dear, seems that my invisible sarcasm smiley is on the blink again.
Anyway, the shot fired at the little girl was deliberate.
Anyway, the shot fired at the little girl was deliberate.
I went past the house this morning..there were a lot of flowers and candles just outside the door. Very sad.
It turns out that the woman and her murderer had indeed had a relationship before she moved to Munich. She said it was over, left, found someone else, planned to marry him, and her ex-uncle couldn't bear it. Wimp. Kill yourself if life is too hard to take, pampered self-centered man*. Still not an honor killing. Wimp killing.
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*I can't think of anything derogatory enough.
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*I can't think of anything derogatory enough.
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