So, For those smokers out there who hate the thought of the ban, here is your thread!
Yesterday evening I was in "La Piazza" in the village of Heimstetten. All seven at the bar were puffing away.
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Related topic: General discussion about the Bavarian smoking ban
Full Version: Bars that are ignoring the smoking ban
Some bars have changed their name to "club" and thus are able to keep/serve their "puffing" clientele.
The Bar Centrale in Schwabing began issuing cards for its members last year, the bar has been declared a private party location where smoking is permitted. Non-members can ring the doorbell, they are informed that they are entering a private smoking party and have the choice of staying or leaving.
I was in a café today at Victualienmarkt and there were no ashtrays or people smoking. All you could smell was coffee and cakes. I smoke 20 a day and I have smoked only about 5 or 6 today. Tomorrow I'm getting a smoke alarm for my room - a self inflicted smoking ban.
According to today's Abendzeitung, the INFAMOUS Sunshine Pub on Müllerstrasse is still a smoking pub and no intention of stopping.
Sunshine Pub was always full of fags, that won't change.
Still, people know where to go for a late night puff.
I passed a small bar today that had a sticker on the door saying that smoking was allowed and the people inside were still puffing away.
We were in Outland today, and one of the regulars who has/had been a pretty normal smoker (from my recollection) started quite the ruckass when some guy lit up at the bar. He yelled out "HEY! NO SMOKING" and the rest of the place laughed and gave the guy a hard time! They told the guy to go across the street and smoke in the Platz! To say the least I was more than a little surprised! And pretty happy with that reaction!
So far so good, from what I have seen the new rules seem to be working and most people seem happy with it!
So far so good, from what I have seen the new rules seem to be working and most people seem happy with it!
Was in Roosevelts tonight and they said they have been given a 6 week grace period during which customers can still smoke whilst they decide to make themselves a " Private Club " where smoking is allowed or to follow the ban.
Seems entirely sensible to me.
Seems entirely sensible to me.
yes, Roosevelts are not putting ashtrays out, but if you ask for one, they will bring it to you.
anyone know if The Arc is now non-smoking or is it the same as before? thx
You mean "is the Arc breaking the law"?
the thread is about bars that are ignoring the smoking ban
they have 6 weeks anyway
anyone know?
they have 6 weeks anyway
anyone know?
They don't have six weeks. The law is in effect now.
As much as I am against the smoking ban and it's implementation, I have thoroughly enjoyed the last couple of days of smoke free cafes. Will be very interesting to see how it all pans out over the coming months and I applaud those pubs/cafes that went the club route to allow smoking to continue.
Schwabinger 7 used to be one of the smokiest bars in Munich. Yesterday evening, however, there was just one lone guy smoking a roll-up at the bar. No one seemed to mind too much, but he wasn't given an ashtray.
Bar Centrale have made themselves a fully private club. You need a key card in order to enter the premises. Key cards are issued, however, to anyone who asks.
Kilians have opened a dedicated smoking area. It's a brand new part of the pub that was previously a second kitchen. It's upstairs, through a door on the left just as you enter the premises from Frauenplatz. It's enclosed enough to be sheltered from the elements, but open-air enough to be legal. It also protects the neighbours from extra noise. Quite an ingenious solution really. And quite sociable too. The smokers end up chatting to each other when they otherwise probably wouldn't. It reminds me of the back-of-the-bike-sheds smoking group at school.
It's good to see that bars are evolving and adapting. After all, it's only through adaptation that mankind emerged from the primaeval slime in the first place.
Bar Centrale have made themselves a fully private club. You need a key card in order to enter the premises. Key cards are issued, however, to anyone who asks.
QUOTE (the Boy From Bozlem @ Dec 20 2007, 11:17 am) 
Kilians will eventually be forced (if they can be) to not let people smoke outside at night and as a result I can see that they are going to lose a lot of custom.
Kilians have opened a dedicated smoking area. It's a brand new part of the pub that was previously a second kitchen. It's upstairs, through a door on the left just as you enter the premises from Frauenplatz. It's enclosed enough to be sheltered from the elements, but open-air enough to be legal. It also protects the neighbours from extra noise. Quite an ingenious solution really. And quite sociable too. The smokers end up chatting to each other when they otherwise probably wouldn't. It reminds me of the back-of-the-bike-sheds smoking group at school.
It's good to see that bars are evolving and adapting. After all, it's only through adaptation that mankind emerged from the primaeval slime in the first place.
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Was out in Glockenbach this evening, all of the bars had people smoking outside. I think bars are starting to get scared by this ban.
Yesterdays TZ had an headline where the police were called to the NyphemburgSekt place at ViktualianMarkt, after an anon tip off about smokers lighting up. Sometimes I really despise those millitant anti smokers... I really hope when they do something that may be deemed illegal (like putting bottles in the bottle bank on a sunday morning) they get caught!
Bah!
Yesterdays TZ had an headline where the police were called to the NyphemburgSekt place at ViktualianMarkt, after an anon tip off about smokers lighting up. Sometimes I really despise those millitant anti smokers... I really hope when they do something that may be deemed illegal (like putting bottles in the bottle bank on a sunday morning) they get caught!
Bah!
Well it was really pleasant to be in a smoke free place last night and my clothes don't stink of stale cigarette smoke this morning. Fantastic!
Amen! So far I've been to several that are all dealing nicely
The Hauptbahnhof is supposed to be non-smoking but they have these 3x3m smoking spaces. Sort of reminding me of "animals in their natural habitat" with people outside the boundary staring at them. Not to mention the ICE driver enjoying a smoke in the privacy of her cockpit.
They love placing these smoking areas in locations where everybody has to walk past them, rather than out of the way. At Munich Hbf they're at the beginning of each platform. Yesterday I was at Garmisch-Partenkirchen station and noticed that they put the smoking area so that you have to walk right past it (in fact, virtually through it) when walking from the stairs to the booking hall. They could have put it anywhere along the platform, but they chose the tiny section that everyone has to walk through.
QUOTE (sarabyrd @ Jan 4 2008, 7:19 pm)
Kilian's/Ned Kelly's has converted the upstairs service room into a smoking area.
Thought it might fit on this topic.
Thought it might fit on this topic.
It's actually not the service room, but the backyard beergarden (with heaters). Was there last night and the noise in that "shed" was enormous, but all the windows facing it were dark already at 9 so it seems like they don't have neighbours at the back. Gotta say that for a friday night + school and university holidays the place was dreadful empty... started to get busy at around elevenish but only for an hour... can't remember a friday night before when you could walk in and and just grab a table at 9pm... they also were overstaffed - always two or more staff standing behind the bar doing nothing all the time... not to mention the fact that my clothes today smell like being bathed in a deep-fryer, but hey! that's so much fancier than smoke...
Plus when it is actually somewhat busy, you have the upstairs-downstairs smokers tide where they all seem to time it exactly right so they all go at once.
todays Abendzeitung had a list of the 'special smoking places' in todays paper.
Unfortunately the little pizzaria on hohehzollernplatz is still frequented by smokers I noticed tonight - and he has horrible ventilation. Shame, he will go out of business because no one will go in there because of the smoke. Pizzas were great there.
We passed by M.C. Müller last night and they have a sticker on their door that says "Raucherpub" or something like that. Didn't bother to go in after seeing that, but the people inside seemed to be smoking.
I went out last night for the first time this year and can summarise the experience as follows: Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Or, more constructively: all the doom-merchants and nay-sayers seem to have been proved completely wrong, at least on my experience last night. First went to my regular, which was as busy as I've ever seen it (i.e. full). Even the guy who last week was drunkenly proclaiming that he'd never go to a pub again was there. All the smokers were obediently going outside to smoke, and none of them seemed too bothered. They even managed to smoke outside without starting a riot, so no noise laws were broken.
Then off to one of my favourite pubs in town, which I've only ever actually been to about three or four times because it was always so smoky I was sometimes concerned that the building was actually on fire. This was one of two places in town that I felt wouldn't follow the law, but to my pleasant surprise they were. The barman said it was now "viel besser".
The sole downside to the law is that I now stay out longer and drink more... not sure if this is such a good thing, but it's great to at least have the option again.
Or, more constructively: all the doom-merchants and nay-sayers seem to have been proved completely wrong, at least on my experience last night. First went to my regular, which was as busy as I've ever seen it (i.e. full). Even the guy who last week was drunkenly proclaiming that he'd never go to a pub again was there. All the smokers were obediently going outside to smoke, and none of them seemed too bothered. They even managed to smoke outside without starting a riot, so no noise laws were broken.
Then off to one of my favourite pubs in town, which I've only ever actually been to about three or four times because it was always so smoky I was sometimes concerned that the building was actually on fire. This was one of two places in town that I felt wouldn't follow the law, but to my pleasant surprise they were. The barman said it was now "viel besser".
The sole downside to the law is that I now stay out longer and drink more... not sure if this is such a good thing, but it's great to at least have the option again.
@Carm, Is this info on the AZ still working? I coudn't find this info on the AZ site. Maybe it was only online yesterday?
Smoking clubs/bars exist in the US so I really don't understand what the big issue is here. Most of these posts are saying that in other countries smoking lounges don't exist etc. I am not a heavy smoker but would like the freedom to have a cig along with a cocktail without bothering any non-smokers.
So where are these clubs/bars? So far only Centrale and a a couple of other places have been posted.
Smoking clubs/bars exist in the US so I really don't understand what the big issue is here. Most of these posts are saying that in other countries smoking lounges don't exist etc. I am not a heavy smoker but would like the freedom to have a cig along with a cocktail without bothering any non-smokers.
So where are these clubs/bars? So far only Centrale and a a couple of other places have been posted.
QUOTE (Editor Bob @ Jan 3 2008, 6:48 pm)
Schwabinger 7 used to be one of the smokiest bars in Munich. ... Yesterday evening, however, there was just one lone guy smoking a roll-up at the bar.
I was there rather late last night and about half of the people in there seemed to be smoking,
despite the no smoking signs all over the walls. Didn't see a single smoker in Shamrock, though.
I came to this thread to find some smoker friendly establishments where I can continue to enjoy my habit far away from the smoking ban nazis, yet it seems they have invaded this forum to keep pressing their opinions on those of us who do choose to smoke. Please go to the link previously posted where a nice long winded debate is in full swing and leave us to share this information with one another in peace. I am not complaining or arguing about a smoking ban.. I just want to know the location of some of these "Smoking Clubs" which ties into the actual topic listed, however I had to search through 7 pages of comments listed by non-smokers!! Why would you even open this link?? Enjoy the ban and go away and let us share some useful information between ourselves. Take your debate to the forum where such discussion actually belongs!!!
Agreed. Topic has now been tidied up. Only post here if you have info on smoking bars in Munich.
The Schlager Bar "Prosecco" just off the Müllerstrasse is a smokers club now and is charging €12 a year as memebership I hear.
The Paulaner Krug (bis 5 Uhr Fruh geoffnet) on Tegernseerlandstr. has a sign up saying they're a 'smoking club, apply within for details'. The bar is close to Ostfriedhof.
Not a "nice" bar but there was smoking in the Drei Glöcklein in Hans Sachs Strasse last week.
From the Rattlesnake Saloon website (Rauchen erlaubt - Google translation):
QUOTE (Rattlesnake Saloon)
Since 01.01.2008 from the Health Protection Act came into force, we are forced to our place in the form of a club in order to continue to be a real honky tonk atmosphere to be able to offer. Even the pleasure of cigarettes and cigars is still permitted.
The local access to our future, we can only allow club members. We must therefore ask you to register in time. Admission forms are available on request from the manager. Because of the statutory provisions is a membership only after completion of the 18th birthday. We are also forced to a membership fee to demand. This amounts to € 12.00 per year.
The local access to our future, we can only allow club members. We must therefore ask you to register in time. Admission forms are available on request from the manager. Because of the statutory provisions is a membership only after completion of the 18th birthday. We are also forced to a membership fee to demand. This amounts to € 12.00 per year.
For those in and around the Ottobrunn area, the Tennis Club in Riemerling has it's own smoking bar room equipped with satellite tv.
Die kleine Kneipe, Dreimühlenstr. 10, Schlachthofviertel, appears to have made itself into a club. There's a sign on it that says "Luzis Club" or something. Don't know if they're charging membership or if they just put a sign up (or if it'll work -- a "club" can't have Laufkundschaft ( http://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/Home/N...ageid,4289.html ).
There's a site called Rauchplan which lists smoking zones: not sure if these listings are now up-to-date, as their publications dates are from October and before the law was passed, but maybe some of these places will try to convert to clubs:
http://rauchplan.de/category/bayern/
There's a site called Rauchplan which lists smoking zones: not sure if these listings are now up-to-date, as their publications dates are from October and before the law was passed, but maybe some of these places will try to convert to clubs:
http://rauchplan.de/category/bayern/
QUOTE (Editor Bob @ Jan 8 2008, 2:31 pm)
From the Rattlesnake Saloon website (Rauchen erlaubt - Google translation):
love the translation! ..."honky tonk" - cool!
As predicted, Schwabinger 7 is making no effort to comply. I went by last night and it was as smoky as ever.
nope, I was also there last night as well, people smoking at the bar
Well, go and call the police, FBI, CIA, NSA, NFL, NBA or whatever and redbait them...
was in Barschwein and Skyline last night , there are still people whio are ignoring the smoking ban.i hate it! u still smell like cigarette when u come out.
The sports bar in the Motorama at Rosenheimer Platz seems to have stopped people smoking inside the bar, but now they all just congregate outside the entrance door. Which is not actually "outside" since the entrance door is inside the shopping centre.
They still seem to allow smoking in the cafe area to the side of it too.
They still seem to allow smoking in the cafe area to the side of it too.
As it would seem there is a big loop hole in the Law.You make your pub in to a club.Members only and it cost € 12 a year membership.This is apparently the minimum membership fee.In Markt Schwaben i have found out it is already in place.So all in all Landlords get around the smoking ban and make € 12 a year more off the regulars that go in
QUOTE (lulü @ Jan 13 2008, 3:57 pm)
was in Barschwein and Skyline last night , there are still people whio are ignoring the smoking ban.i hate it!
Then don't go in in the first place...
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