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Asteroid might hit Mars on Wednesday 30.Jan.2008

It'd be first ever such impact observed by mankind

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Editor Bob
From the LA Times: Asteroid on track for possible Mars hit

An asteroid, about 160 feet across, could plow into Mars on January 30, 2008.

The chances of a strike are about 1 in 75. This is a very unusual. Most asteroid impacts are calculated with odds like one-in-a-million.

If it does hit it will likely dig a crater half a mile wide. If an asteroid like this were to hit Earth, it could wipe out a city.

No asteroid impact like this has ever been observed anywhere in the Universe.

The most recent one on Earth was the one that flattened forests in Tunguska, Siberia in 1908. But nobody actually saw that and to this day we're not even sure it was actually an asteroid.

Related TT topic: Asteroid could strike Earth in 2029, but with only 1-in-45,000 chance
Marshbot
Ace!!!
MajorBummer
Well, Bob, between us I think that darn planet had it coming. 'S been up there in the sky so long, has killed so many of our probes, not to mention all the funny green men who abduct law-abiding citizens just doin their jawb.
Marshbot
It says the dust plume might be visible from Earth through telescopes. I have no idea but how well can you see mars through household telecopes? Are they talking about observatories or backyard style?

I need to get one anyway, but this would be the coolest thing ever to see.
Editor Bob
It'd be cooler to see if it hit Earth. Not Munich, obviously. But somewhere like Holzkirchen perhaps. Or Daglfing.
MadAxeMurderer
OMG MajorBummer is a planetist i.e. looks down on inferior planets.
Odenwalder
Take that, you anal probing bastards! tongue.gif
MajorBummer
QUOTE (MadAxeMurderer @ Dec 21 2007, 3:35 pm) *
OMG MajorBummer is a planetist i.e. looks down on inferior planets.

Darn red planet.
thefirelane
QUOTE (Editor Bob @ Dec 21 2007, 2:32 pm) *
It'd be cooler to see if it hit Earth. Not Munich, obviously. But somewhere like Holzkirchen perhaps. Or Daglfing.

Everytime I'm on the phone with someone on the other side of the world, and it cuts out, I think: It's probably just the connection, but maybe, just maybe...

Then I don't feel the resulting earthquake tremors, and they call back.

Safe this time.
Sin
What's the betting it hits the opposite side to the one we can see?
tom_a
Doesn't a chance of 1:75 mean that it most likely won't happen anyway?
sea-king
Uh oh! We are all gonna die!
fRe4k
QUOTE (Editor Bob @ Dec 21 2007, 2:32 pm) *
It'd be cooler to see if it hit Earth. Not Munich, obviously. But somewhere like Holzkirchen perhaps. Or Daglfing.

Have you ever been to Nördlingen?...Its located almost at the centre of a crater..! I was there a couple of months back and i looked at the crater from the edge as well as from the top of a tower in Nördlingen..! It is said to be 23 or 24 kms in diameter..!

If you dont know the fact that it was hit by a meteor ages back, you would probably not notice the crater and think about the elevated surroundings as any other hill or mountain.
HEM
I have been there - its called Nördlinger Ries. You should to to the Nördlinger Rieskrater-Museum...

I have also flown around the Ries several times. In excellent weather where the cumulus clouds are popping all over the place the Ries is barren of such thermals...
YorkshireLad6
QUOTE (Editor Bob @ Dec 21 2007, 2:32 pm) *
It'd be cooler to see if it hit Earth. Not Munich, obviously. But somewhere like Holzkirchen perhaps. Or Daglfing.

It'd be even cooler if it were actually to threaten Mars, but that just before expected impact the oft discussed, but never discovered Martian race switched on a repulsive ray to deflect it deftly onto the Whitehouse lawn. That'd wag a few chins and maybe have Bush turn his attention to new imaginary foe prior to his departure from the human race..
Editor Bob
QUOTE (fRe4k @ Dec 21 2007, 4:06 pm) *
Have you ever been to Nördlingen?

No. But I remember the impact well. It felt as if millions of voices all cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
thefirelane
QUOTE (tom_a @ Dec 21 2007, 3:55 pm) *
Doesn't a chance of 1:75 mean that it most likely won't happen anyway?

Correct, but the big deal is that is less likely to not happen than ever before!
WheresTheRock?
QUOTE (YorkshireLad6 @ Dec 21 2007, 4:47 pm) *
deflect it deftly onto the Whitehouse lawn

No, not the Whitehouse lawn...that would ensure that Bush became larger than life after death. They might even rename the Whitehouse after him! I would much rather he went back to Texas at the end of his second term and lived out his life on the speaking circuit.
James_Runner
QUOTE (Editor Bob @ Dec 21 2007, 2:21 pm) *
The most recent one on Earth was the one that flattened forests in Tunguska, Siberia in 1908. But nobody actually saw that and to this day we're not even sure it was actually an asteroid.

If an asteroid falls in a Siberian forest and no one is there to see it, did it really happen? ph34r.gif
Punchbear
If a man speaks in a Siberian forest and no woman is there to hear him, would he still be wrong?
fRe4k
QUOTE (James_Runner @ Dec 21 2007, 10:31 pm) *
If an asteroid falls in a Siberian forest and no one is there to see it, did it really happen?

Do you think that we animals on this earth are so dumb after all the technology and innovative stuff that we invented? Dont you know that when an asteroid strikes, its gonna rattle the earth? (unless if its a very small piece) And so, there are seismograph's everywhere which can record the activity and figure out what really happened. How do you think the defence department of a particular country finds out when some other country has tested some nuclear bomb or any other thing which rattles earth's @ss? (even if its subtle, i guess there are patterns through which you can figure that out) biggrin.gif
matreyia
Even with a 1 in 2 chance of hitting, I won't be up waiting for it. All these reports are just desperate fantasies of the media and scientists to have something for us to talk about. I bet my right Doc Merten's boot that we will sleep right through this and other silly attention grabbing cosmic predictions. Happy New Year Everyone! May all your wishes be fulfilled.

Viet
Editor Bob
The impact probability was increased three days ago from 1.3% to 3.9%.

That means it's still unlikely to hit but the unlikelihood is now likely to be less unlikely.

See NASA: Mars impact probability increases to 4 percent
GreenTea
QUOTE (Editor Bob @ Dec 21 2007, 2:21 pm) *
No asteroid impact like this has ever been observed anywhere in the Universe.

Well, there was Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 which ploughed into Jupiter back in 1994. OK, that was a comet and not an asteroid, but if you're right at the impact site watching it zoom in on you, that fine distinction may seem irrelevant.

QUOTE (Marshbot @ Dec 21 2007, 2:30 pm) *
It says the dust plume might be visible from Earth through telescopes. I have no idea but how well can you see mars through household telecopes? Are they talking about observatories or backyard style?

I may be wrong, but I would guess that you would need something much more powerful than a small amateur telescope to be able to see anything of the impact.

Sometimes I wonder what would happen if astronomers were to spot a huge chunk of rock headed on a direct collision course with Earth. I don't mean with something like a 1-in-100 chance, but suppose they spotted something that is going to slam into us with absolute certainty in only a few days time. No time to evacuate a whole continent, or organise an operation to fire off nuclear missiles to deflect it away from us. Nothing anyone can do. Would they make a public announcement, and unleash worldwide blind panic? Or would they keep quiet and pretend they hadn't noticed anything? I once asked a professional astronomer who specialised in comets, what the plans would be for such a situation. I got the feeling he was trying to avoid giving a straight answer, but he finally replied: "Oh well, if it was heading for our side of the planet, we would just go round to the other side".
Punchbear
I'm sure they'd turn up here eventually.

"Toytown Germany: advising scientists on how to break the news on imminent ELE asteroid strikes since...fuck it, you're all gonna die."
Lupo
So what are the chances it hits one of the Mars rovers?
meckle
And Greentea beat me to it.

Shoemaker-Levy nine. Big deal all over the news. 1994 wasn't it ???

Or has the skynews dominated media of the noughties made us all so vapid we only remember things for 5 mintues until the next breaking news.

O speaking of that - check this out...classic!!

http://www.jibjab.com/originals/what_we_call_the_news
Sin
QUOTE (GreenTea @ Dec 31 2007, 7:54 pm) *
Sometimes I wonder what would happen if astronomers were to spot a huge chunk of rock headed on a direct collision course with Earth.

I have it on good authority that you should not bother stocking up on condoms.

Collectively, the human race has enough firepower to blow up this planet several times over. Yet you kind of get the feeling they haven't really noticed that a rock the size of a quarry hurtling unseen towards us could be a more appropriate target of that firepower... and investment, which on the eve of another year makes me wonder even more if our leaders are more than just a bunch of muppets.
BadDoggie
QUOTE (Editor Bob @ Dec 21 2007, 2:21 pm) *
No asteroid impact like this has ever been observed anywhere in the Universe.

QUOTE (GreenTea @ Dec 31 2007, 7:54 pm) *
Well, there was Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 which ploughed into Jupiter back in 1994. OK, that was a comet and not an asteroid

And as far as a celestial object smacking into a celestial body there's no difference whatsoever.

QUOTE (Sin @ Dec 31 2007, 9:21 pm) *
Collectively, the human race has enough firepower to blow up this planet several times over.

Not even close. We don't even have enough to wipe out so many humans that the species wouldn't return.

woof.
interplanetjanet
QUOTE (GreenTea @ Dec 31 2007, 7:54 pm) *
I may be wrong, but I would guess that you would need something much more powerful than a small amateur telescope to be able to see anything of the impact.

You would definitely not be able to see it with a backyard telescope.
Editor Bob
There's a big difference, in astronomy terms, between Shoemaker-Levy hitting Jupiter and this asteroid hitting Mars.

Jupiter is a gas giant whereas Mars is a terrestrial planet.

There's no crater, for example, on Jupiter from the Shoemaker-Levy impact.
sharpe
QUOTE (GreenTea @ Dec 31 2007, 7:54 pm) *
what would happen if astronomers were to spot a huge chunk of rock headed on a direct collision course with Earth

I think we can not blow it up no matter what, as no country has a rocket (probably a regular nuclear missile's accelaration will not be enough to leave earth) that can shoot an astreoid in the space nor they have technology for aiming. I think we would pray that atmosphere disintegrates it before it hits the ground.
Dostoyevsky
What would this impact mean for the little green men? Will they become extinct? Why does no one here write about what really matters!
GreenTea
Well, there is a theory out there that life on Earth had its origins in just such an event, i.e. life could have developed originally on Mars, and an asteroid could then have struck Mars, sending chunks of rock contaminated with little green microbes hurtling towards Earth ... and the rest is history. So if you see a reddish-brown rock crashing into your back garden with a terrified little green man clinging to it, be kind to him - he might just be your distant cousin.
GreenTea
Another article on this topic on Space.com yesterday: Asteroid's Martian Impact: What Might Happen

QUOTE
Like Galileo at Jupiter, NASA's MRO probe and its High-Resolution Imaging Experiment (HiRISE) camera would be in prime position for a martian collision. With its ability to resolve objects three feet (one meter) across, HiRISE as been billed as the most powerful camera ever sent to study Mars.

"If the asteroid hits Mars, we'll get a great look at the crater within a few days of impact," said HiRISE principal investigator Alfred McEwen of the University of Arizona's Lunar and Planetary Laboratory in Tucson.
GreenTea
QUOTE (GreenTea @ Dec 31 2007, 7:54 pm) *
Sometimes I wonder what would happen if astronomers were to spot a huge chunk of rock headed on a direct collision course with Earth.

Well, it looks like someone has just been having a think: H.R.4917 To formulate situation and decision analyses for deflecting and mitigating potentially hazardous near-Earth objects.
GreenTea
Looks like it ain't gonna happen this time: Space Rock Won't Wallop Mars, Scientists Say

QUOTE
the impact probability has dropped dramatically, to approximately 0.01 percent or 1-in-10,000 odds, effectively ruling out the possible collision with Mars," researchers said in the Jan. 9 report.

The little green men can breathe a sigh of relief.
Sin
Yeah, I read that too. Face it, it was never gonna hit Mars in the first place because...

Oh! unsure.gif

RUN!!!
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