Bavaria's non-smoker protection law now passed

I try to follow the Ten Commandments when I remember them, point is I never remember them. Oh yeah Dont do drugs!

I hate Jazz (Jizz?) music...I'm up for a ban.

Introducing a loophole that allows the law to be bypassed by all establishments doesn't sound that logical to me.

A middleground is logical, allowing concessions if certain criteria is met is logical. A total ban is extreme and in my opinion completely unfair.

Ban it. Totally. Like (say) heroin.
But the government wouldn't get the tax revenues then of course that are net profit.
Hypocritical knuts.

Yo dickhead, is your German half as good as her English?

Oh, yes, because German is what we use on this forum

I agree, we need to legalize heroin to the same degree as smoking.

SO, legalize all drugs...but don't allow them in public places, ya gotta do them at home. Tax the fuck out of all of them. The idiots will die off quickly. (ok, maybe not...but it'd sure as hell be entertaining for the first few months...)

No, but he's a dickhead for sneering at someone who's making a damn good attempt! Would be curious to see if the same arrogant dickhead good manage the same in the local language. I suspect not...

Well, in fairness, Kylie is breaking the forum rules. She isn't a native Engrish speaker so she shouldn't even be posting here.

Rules say:


And reading her Bavaria's non-smoker protection law now passed, you'd be hard up to find much fault with it.

Rules also say no personal attacks. And referring to another poster with 'yo bitch' is downright disgusting and primitive.

As Timmeh pointed out, forum guidelines are that you must speak English to a native level.

I've twice posted the relevant guideline in resonse to Kylie.Dürr postings and it's been removed both times (I have no idea why), so I'm not going to bother doing it again. I'm sure you'll find the relevant guidelines.

If non-native German speakers go to a German site and make a complete hash of the language there, then I'd expect those people to also be ridiculed. If forum guidelines require native speaker level there, then I would expect them to also be banned.

If you think that, then it would seem that your grasp of the English language leaves a little to be desired too...

Well that's me fucked then.

Just to demonstrate:

Is this all of a sudden a forum for speaking German?

Ah, beaten to it

Now you're being a Korinthen-Kacker (currant shitter) - as the locals would say... Anyway, it seems that the poster Kylie-Dürr is not all who we think she is - so let's drop this nit-picking...

Still doesn't give you the right to refer to someone as 'yo bitch'... unless that's how you normally address women.

Yes, you're quite right.

Is that not how women should be addressed? Haven't I been making a fool of myself all my life!!

Yer Mammy has misled ye there young Timmeh.

They can just go get another job. Oh sorry, wrong thread, this isn't about locomotive drivers. Perhaps the bar owners should get themselves a union?


It is already a nightmare. Maybe it might be a tad easier now finding a seat or table.

Erm, sorry Hazza, but your girlfriend isn't exactly a native speaker either, but that hasn't stopped her. Perhaps you should concentrate a bit closer to home first. Besides, if you can understand someone I wouldn't quite call that hashing up the language. I would just call you a bad loser.

Strewth, that Hazza is a bonzer bloke.

OK, after reading this little beaut from Kylie in another thread, I stand by my previous statement

"What government does not loot from his earning in form of tax and social deductions, is redirected to the bitch"

Your analogies are completely laughable as usual.

I don't see the need to dignify such a ridiculous, pathetic analogy with an explanation as to why it's completely different. If you can't see it yourself, then you should perhaps just give up here and go and debate with 5 year olds.


My Missus is a native speaker compared to the dribble we get from Kylie.Dürr. Remember, not native speaker per se, but native speaker level. Apart from that, I just checked and saw that the last post my missus made on the main threads (not touch rugby or classifieds) is 10 April. So not really the mega poster...

Anyway, I know you have a personal problem with her and probably with me too through that. But just fucking grow up...

Kylie's English is hardly native level and more to the point reading most of her posts is tiring and tedious. She does not make any typical mistakes of a native speaker with scant grammatical ability like TT has aplenty, she seems to be a combination of a German and a translation machine. Still, that's a discussion for another thread, or report it and Bob the Allmighty will decide.

Back to smoking - while browsing I noticed that cigarettes can contain Plonoium 210.

Just wait unil the anti-smoking legislation impacts on jobs!

I remember getting a job in the UK a number of years ago, and to my surprise discovered that the company was made up of non-smokers!
I don't remember being asked about my smoking habits, though it became apparant with the course of time that it was company policy NOT to employ smokers!

BCG

When I worked at the Environment Agency I was the only smoker in the whole lab. Luckily a lot of my work was out in the field though, so I could smoke myself silly and not bother anyone

That doesn't sound particularly legal to me. Did they also ask you if you drink, take recreational drugs, drive too fast, fuck without a condom?

You're right - it's discrimination and illegal

As HA pointed out this should be addressed somewhere else, but I have to say: let Kylie have her way! People like her always save my boring office/uni days and now that she mastered google we will find sh#itloads of interesting posts by her!

Oi that's my line!!! But you're nor far off. Can't see this law changing and they will have to adapt their business model or throw in the towel. I'm personaly suprised they banned smoking in Beer tents and pubs/bars. I think most people accept restaurants, but the stammtisch, frühschoppen and the dorffest bierzelt and soooo much part of Bavaria to clamp down on them is going a tadge to deep into local culture.


Her english is awesome though, both written and spoken. Shame the same thing cant be said for her taste in blokes thhough...

(sorry hazza I just couldn't resist)

Not even then does it give him the right to do that. What kind of logic is that?

Exactly my sentiments, as a tolerant non-smoker. Not jazz bars specifically, there are lots of places that just won't be the same without a whiff of smoke.

Lots of places ?? Every pub in Bavaria will stink of farts, B.O., last night's puke, and stinking bogs - just like every pub in the UK does, now .

It's amazing what the stink of ciggie smoke used to hide

Fight for your rights to smoke

Link in German
http://www.forces-germany.org/

English:

http://www.forces.org/evidence/index.htm

@Puffinstuff: be prepared for a bashing from the antis...

Strange, the pubs I've been to in England since the ban came in there don't smell of farts, BO, etc. Maybe it's just the ones you go to.

Just drove back down to Munich this evening. The last 100 km down the A9 was particularly unpleasant, seeing as how just about everyone was in a hurry to get home, wanted to drive way faster than the posted 120- kph limit, and got very pushy to people (i.e. me!) who didn't want to break the speed limit by as much as them.

At first I tried to do the right thing, and moved over to let them past whenever possible, but after getting stuck behind trucks a couple of times for absolutely ages where no-one was willing to let me back out I'd had enough of that.

If the selfish sods can only think of themselves, them I'm stuffed if I'm going be considerate to them.

True story and analogy all in one.

Dude,
If he wants to post stuff in favour of smoking from a pro-smoking lobby based in Virginia, then boy, does he deserve everything he's got coming to him. FFS, why don't they HQ themselves in San Francisco and at least limit the self-harm?! And if there was ever a case of 'what's a good acronym and then we'll make a name around it' then this is it.

I said "UK", however, now you've drawn it to my attention, the mingin' ones were mostly south of the haggis equator .

I'm a non-smoker, with a good sense of smell - you must be one of the lucky ones. Believe me, me and my friends don't go to certain places now because they, or their customers, absolutely stink - this was masked by the pong of the fag smoke before the ban came in. It's coming to a boozer near you on 1st Jan

I'm quite surprised people seem to think there is no smell. In my experience there is plenty of smell...maybe I just have a godd sense of smell, but arse & BO were more than apparent in Ireland and London pubs.

I'm back in Sydney for a little while, and all I can say is that it is heaven without smoking.

All these specious arguments about smoking covering bad smells, not really being offensive at all, holding up the local economy or being a manifestation of the democratic process are little short of retarded.

It takes a particular brand of smoker to not give a shit about the impact his/her habit is having on everyone else in the vicinity - WHICH IS THE REAL ISSUE - so frankly I equally couldn't care less what happens to them now. Indeed, I would be lying if I said I won't take genuine pleasure from their ostracism.

I know plenty of people - myself included - who will go out a lot more once the ban comes into force. I can't wait to wake up the next day without stinking, without feeling ten times worse for having inhaled cigarette fumes all evening, and without discovering cigarette burns in my clothes from some idiot who couldn't even keep his cancer stick aloft. If you want to keep smoking, then feel free to smoke quietly outside or move to a different jurisdiction, just as we have been "free" put up with smoking for decades.

It exasperates me that certain losers are still arguing against it. But you can argue until you're blue in the face: IT'S THE LAW NOW, SO SHUT UP AND LIVE WITH IT.

Amen.

OK - here's a hypothetical scenario. I'd like to know from the Anti-smokers how they'd react:

It's late January and you decide to go out to a pub nearby for a couple of drinks. After a while you notice someone in a corner of the bar, smoking. Being an anti smoker, you complain to the bar staff. The bar staff tell you that in the first week or so they sent the smokers outside as per the law. But they are in a heavy residential area and received almost nightly visits from the police and a threat from the KVR that if they didn't reduce the noise, then their license would be put in jeopardy. Allowing the smokers to smoke in one corner was the only option as the bar doesn't make enough turnover to additionally hire a doorman. The only other option would be to close down.

Do you:
1) Sit back down, understanding of the situation
2) Get up and leave
3) Cause a scene and leave
4) Call the police
5) Some other reaction

Tell the smokers to keep their gobs shut, when they are outside, or ban them from the pub. Why should I have to put up with their selfishness, although we should be used to that from most smokers.

I'm a smoker, originally from Dublin, and the ban there didn't really bother me, because my local has a good, heated beer garden. However, there are many things that have changed in Ireland, since the smoking ban.

'Smirting' (your chances of getting laid), for example has been cited on this forum already, as a positive side effect of the smoking ban. Well actually, a good 95% of this so called 'Smirting' takes place in the Beer Garden/Smoking areas of Irish pubs, not inside. FACT.

Off Licence sales have overtaken Pub sales, because Private Partys are up about 60%, where you can smoke whatever you like. People don't linger in the pubs anymore, or spend all night there, unless there is a heated Beer Garden/Smoking Area, they simply meet there, in many cases, en route to a party, or someones house/apartment, where they can smoke without any inconvenience. FACT.

Pubs without Smoking Areas have suffered, despite what 'Spin' you hear from the Government. Cigarettes are 7:20Euro a pack in Ireland, and if that dosen't discourage you from smoking, nothing will. Non Smokers have, in many cases turned into cloakroom attendants, keeping an eye on their mates coats etc. while theyre outside smoking. FACT.

NO Government anywhere, will never publish survey information about anything, that they don't want you to hear, or that undermines their plans. FACT.

The smoking ban may be good for Bar workers, but it has generally changed Irish pub atmosphere for the worst. The best atmosphere/craic in any Irish pub, is now in the Beer Garden/Smoking Area, FACT.

Many pubs have put up the price of their drinks to cover the cost of heating Beer Gardens/Smoking areas. In essence, Non Smokers are paying for the privilige of a smoke free pub. FACT

Again, I admit I'm a smoker, and the ban dosen't bother me. I will simply make my decisions about drinking in a particular pub, on the basis of whether they have a good, heated smoking area or not. If they don't, they don't get my trade, simple as that, and most smoking pub goers, in Dublin anyway, feel the same way.

Generally, I have no problem with the ban, but I think a separate smoking room, with no waiter/waitress service would have been a happier middle ground IMO.

Hazza, the underlying assumption of that entire post is that there is some sort of divine requirement that the person in question (the smoker) come onto the premise.

If that person is breaking the law, don’t allow them into the bar. I fail to see how the ‘anti-smokers’ are selfish because other people can’t take personal responsibility. Seriously, reading your own post… the smokers take on a childlike role of not being able to be held responsible for their own actions or change their behavior at all.

Let me tell you Timmeh, I have taken my children into many restaurants and asked for us to be put into a non-smoking area, due to patrons at every other table smoking, and being told that there isn't a non-smoking area - so talk about selfish - these bastards couldn't even have a corner area in the back of their establishments for me to bring my children so they wouldn't have to be too heavily poisoned. When I would ask if they would consider making a non-smoking area they said that they wouldn't. I would inevitably leave to protect mine and my childrens health, even after having driven around endlessly to find a parking space. Smokers are also the most selfish people when it comes to eating in restaurants, lighting up next to you when you're trying to eat and then they're able to sit there in a smoke free environment when their meal comes - because they don't light up then. I'm sick of it and am glad the law is coming into effect. If you have a problem with it get over your addiction and stop smoking.

Arsenic and ammonia are 2 chemicals that are used by the cancer stick cartels to allow a quicker uptake of nicotine and passage through the blood brain barrier.

This whole "It is my right to smoke as an individual" holds as much weight as me decrying that if i want to pull a bong every three hours and throw my non-degradable bong on the ground (just like most smokers do with their butts) as justified.

Nearly every argument that smokers present is based on one thing... addiction.

Feel free to smoke that specifically designed cocktail of chemicals. This little cocktail is designed with maximum efficiency to ensure that not only will that piss weak little high not only last a short period, but to have you craving for another shortly after.

Have you ever thought that perhaps there is a chemical link between the reason alcohol and cancer sticks go so well together... or why after food a cancer stick goes down oh so well...

As smokers you are being played like a fucking fiddle...

You want a high...

Get a real fucking drug!