Liebe
Dec 11 2007, 2:57 pm
Hey, I have just been wondering about US, UK, Aussies, NZ people and of course every auslander(foreigner) in EU. Would you ever go back to your home country? If so why and possible when? Be honest in sharing your reasons with others.
Johnny English
Dec 11 2007, 3:02 pm
This question is soooooooooooooooooo open ended its not really worth trying to answer is it?
I am sure everyone might go back to their home country for any one of a million reasons from being unhappy here, to family, to work, to supermarkets to...christ...any number of reasons. And then again we might not.
It's like if we are still here when typing it means we have chosen NOT to go back yet, so therefore none of the above apply.
bluedave
Dec 11 2007, 3:03 pm
You doing a paper on this liebe? If so, then be honest with why you are asking, eh?
Yeti
Dec 11 2007, 3:03 pm
Plus if she is serious about asking every auslander in the EU Bob better reserve some server space.
Fribble
Dec 11 2007, 3:04 pm
I wouldn't want to go back full-time, or for good, but I would go back part-time or temporarily if we had a very lucrative assignment to make it worthwhile. Usually I get my fill on short visits.
Johnny English
Dec 11 2007, 3:06 pm
If Liebe pays me enough I promise to go home and stay there.
NOFXmike
Dec 11 2007, 3:06 pm
Sure, been thinking about it to get my MBA if nothing else. Neither my gf (german) nor I are dead-set on living in Germany or the U.S. Depending on our moods our answers change, but if we won the lottery (as in $30,000...not millions) we'd probably move to the states in the next few months.
At the moment the current plan is for in about 2 years...though we'd probably move back here at some stage, who knows.
L8knight
Dec 11 2007, 3:06 pm
Yes, ASAP.
Liebe
Dec 11 2007, 3:08 pm
QUOTE (Yeti @ Dec 11 2007, 3:03 pm)

Plus if she is serious about asking every auslander in the EU Bob better reserve some server space.
Yeti, I have to say I like this.
Liebe
Dec 11 2007, 3:08 pm
QUOTE (Yeti @ Dec 11 2007, 3:03 pm)

Plus if she is serious about asking every auslander in the EU Bob better reserve some server space.
Yeti, I have to say I like this.
Johnny English
Dec 11 2007, 3:09 pm
So good she named it twice.
Yeti
Dec 11 2007, 3:10 pm
I hear it all the time, but it is rarely repeated.
moctoj2
Dec 11 2007, 3:12 pm
As a temp here anyway, of course we're going back 'home,' but not necessarily to my 'hometown. Maybe Chicago, Seattle or whatever opportunities present itself. Spouse is making the urgency even stronger now as he has only 3 papers left to write. Once that MBA is complete, yippee, we're outta here. The reason? It was only temporary anyway. He's from the Uk, I'm American.
cabbagefairy
Dec 11 2007, 3:12 pm
I'm moving home in April because I want to study. My german boyfriend is coming with me so if all works out well we will be back and forth between New Zealand and Germany.
Timmeh
Dec 11 2007, 3:14 pm
I definitely will, no question about it. Just a matter of when I'm ready
DJ_Jazzy_Guff
Dec 11 2007, 3:14 pm
Yeah, this is impossible to answer. If you had asked me 11 years ago if I would ever live in Germany, I would probably have said something like, "Fack off you kaant!" However, the fact that the Germans had just beaten England on pens at Wembley in the semi-final may have had some influence on my answer!

Likewise, if you were to ask me now if I plan to ever return to England, I would probably say, "Hau ab, du Schwachkopf!" But in 11 years time, who knows?!!
UrbanAngel
Dec 11 2007, 3:14 pm
I did 'go back home' to the UK (even though I don't feel as though I can call anywhere "home" after having lived in 3 different countries for longer periods of time). The reasons are varied and mostly private. But who's to say that I won't move away from the UK again? Just because I moved back and am living here now doesn't mean I'm here for good.
HellesAngel
Dec 11 2007, 3:17 pm
Why would anyone go 'back' to the UK when there's so much more of the world to go on to...
3 Lions
Dec 11 2007, 3:18 pm
If it werent for my job, I'd be on the first plane out of here. I'd love to go to the states, but in reality it'd be back to the UK.
Conquistador
Dec 11 2007, 3:18 pm
It would take a really special job offer.
Jeeves
Dec 11 2007, 3:24 pm
What Conquistador said.
And also what HellesAngel said: if I went back to the UK then it would seem so final. Like I've done roaming and have come back to stay. So no, not yet.
UrbanAngel
Dec 11 2007, 3:26 pm
Jeeves - it all depends on your own perspective. Obviously I can't see into the future, but it feels more like a springboard to me, in between moving to yet another country. Who knows, maybe I'll stay instead. It also brings about the more interesting question of 'Why do people feel the need to live in other countries?' Are they afraid to go home, they enjoy learning about other cultures, they're escaping what they think would be a boring life etc.
Johnny English
Dec 11 2007, 3:29 pm
I'd like to bugger off out of Germany - just can't think of anywhere better to go that wouldn't have me bitching and moaning more than I do now. The UK is NOT an option - damn place is jam packed, a ripoff and full of chavs. When the recession kicks in next year it's gonna be all the above plus miserable chavs.
Fribble
Dec 11 2007, 3:29 pm
...but I don't think I'd want to stay here for good, either. I'd like to live in a few more new places after this one. At least one other European country, and perhaps somewhere in Asia for a few years, as well.
Odenwalder
Dec 11 2007, 3:31 pm
I don't really "want" to. But it appears that I have little choice at the moment. The Darmstadt military community is closing down next year and I have yet to find another job here in Germany. Since it's getting close to the end, I'm at the point of taking the first offer to come my way. As of now, that offer is in north-east PA. Unless I get another offer before I actually ship my stuff, it looks like I'll be heading there around the 1st of February (shipping my stuff as early as mid-January). But the first chance I get to come back to Germany, I will. I have far too many years of government service to just stop and start again under the German system
kathie
Dec 11 2007, 3:34 pm
Would I ever? Theoretically, maybe. Practically speaking however, circumstances mean that I am likely to be here for a long time yet...
Jules Winnfield
Dec 11 2007, 3:34 pm
As I have said before on these types of threads, living in more than one place ultimately means not being 100% happy anywhere...
Liebe
Dec 11 2007, 3:36 pm
Conquistador:
Yes, what you said is the most compelling reason for me too.
DanHessen
Dec 11 2007, 3:39 pm
I'd give my left nut to move back to the States.
Wizadora
Dec 11 2007, 3:40 pm
The only thing that seriously tempts me back to the UK on a regular basis now is Topshop
Jeeves
Dec 11 2007, 3:41 pm
Jules: sure, but by definition an expat has already written that one off.
UA: aye lass, and my perspective is a bit further down t'road than thee.
Jules Winnfield
Dec 11 2007, 3:45 pm
Written what off? Being happy? Do you think?
Jeeves
Dec 11 2007, 3:46 pm
100% settled, yeah
Conquistador
Dec 11 2007, 4:00 pm
If I had a UK passport and was now weary of living in Germany, I would consider moving to the US or the UAE. I go to the UK every now and then and I can see why there are quite a few people from there who now live in Germany.
Once you have gotten used to living in a new country and have put down roots, it is not that easy to return to your native country, and if you have to pay for the move out of your own pocket, that might be a further deterrent.
Johnny English
Dec 11 2007, 4:08 pm
I don't think the USA wants us frankly. It's a pretty tricky place to get into. I think you have a few citizens that you might like to "swap" with us, but getting into the place is tricky as a European.
UAE is an interesting curve ball however. Tax rates don't get much sexier than 0%.
Make sure you take your own partner if male however:
QUOTE
UAE's
gender imbalance is the highest among any nation in the world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates
Conquistador
Dec 11 2007, 4:12 pm
UK passport holders can automatically get a visa for the UAE. JE, that advice in my previous post was given with you in mind.
I think the US would want you- maybe you can qualify for a green card as an investor/entrepreneur.
BTW, the UAE's gender imbalance is due to the fact that 80% of the population are foreign workers- this normally means men. I have, however, seen a fairly significant number of Filipinas there.
UrbanAngel
Dec 11 2007, 4:14 pm
QUOTE (Jeeves @ Dec 11 2007, 2:41 pm)

UA: aye lass, and my perspective is a bit further down t'road than thee.
That's true; the older you are, the harder it can be to move countries. Since I'm in my late 20's, I can remain flexible and plan on moving around for a good few years to come.
RebellionLies
Dec 11 2007, 4:15 pm
Unless someone enforces a chav-cull, I'm not going back to England. At least not to live, anyway.
Johnny English
Dec 11 2007, 4:24 pm
QUOTE (Conquistador @ Dec 11 2007, 4:12 pm)

maybe you can qualify for a green card as an investor/entrepreneur.
Last time I looked the amount you had to invest, and people you had to employ was pretty eye-watering stuff.
Just checked - unless you wanna invest in a "regional center" (i.e. total shithole area) you gotta stump up $1,000,000 AND create a minimum of 10 jobs.
Hmmmmm. Not sure I wanna go that badly.
rick_de
Dec 11 2007, 4:32 pm
Im strongly of the opinion you should never "go back" in life. You should always strive to go forward. However, in certain circumstances you might be able to go forward by going backwards.
Johnny English
Dec 11 2007, 4:46 pm
Thanks rick. I think that's cleared a few things up for all of us. Do you work in marketing by any chance?
As it happens it looks like an E2 Visa is the way to get into the US as a brit. $100,000 invested in a business and off ya go. That is not a fixed amount just "recommended" to make sure they let you in. The way the US$ is going I can flog my Volvo next year and off we go.
Right. Job done. So where can I go for snowboarding AND decent weather AND close to the sea in the USA?
Just found a great plug-in for
Google Earth for US ski resorts:
http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/20...esorts_and.html
moctoj2
Dec 11 2007, 5:19 pm
QUOTE (Johnny English @ Dec 11 2007, 4:46 pm)

So where can I go for snowboarding AND decent weather AND close to the sea in the USA?
I was thinking near the Smokey Mtns on the east or near Tahoe on the west. But decent weather - pah...that's hysterical. There is no paradise like that.
I think if you have the right skills, a UK citizen should be able to get a transfer to the states with several companies looking for internationally trained workers and get their work permit paid for by the company.
Allershausen
Dec 11 2007, 5:22 pm
QUOTE (Johnny English @ Dec 11 2007, 4:46 pm)

So where can I go for snowboarding AND decent weather AND close to the sea in the USA?
Not sure about the USA, but you can have those things living in Vancouver, which isn't far from the US. Probably even harder to get in Canada though.
HellesAngel
Dec 11 2007, 5:26 pm
San Diego is on the beach, and not far from ski resorts. What do you call decent weather though?
Johnny English
Dec 11 2007, 5:32 pm
Decent Weather = Not Ireland.
Just dont want that crappy non-weather like in the UK. Wet, grey and miserable...and that is just the summer.
Eleanor Rigby
Dec 11 2007, 5:35 pm
Then you won't want to live in Vancouver.
Basically, if you want to be close* to the Mountains, it's going to be cold and if you want to be close to the coast it's going to rain so if you want both you're going to have to be prepared to live with cold and rain.
*by close I mean less than an hour away.
interplanetjanet
Dec 11 2007, 5:35 pm
QUOTE (Johnny English @ Dec 11 2007, 4:46 pm)

So where can I go for snowboarding AND decent weather AND close to the sea in the USA?
Definitely the SF bay area. No rain for 11 months of the year. If you live right on the coast, then Tahoe is
at most four hours away, where there are lots of good ski resorts. Redwood forests are often just a few blocks away, and the desert's not far either. The highest peak in the lower 48 states is just up state, and if it's your thing there are *loads* of fantastic rock climbing spots all over the place. Wine country, gold country and Yosemite are all nearby, and San Francisco's a great city with lots of character.
Pardon the hard sell on the bay area, but I'm glad to be living here again (just not in my boring home town).
Timmeh
Dec 11 2007, 5:39 pm
Or NZ's South Island, snowboard in the morning, surfing in the arvo
Rilana
Dec 11 2007, 5:43 pm
was just about to recommend the same as interplanetjanet. Definitely the way to go!
L8knight
Dec 11 2007, 5:45 pm
QUOTE (Johnny English @ Dec 11 2007, 5:32 pm)

Decent Weather = Not Ireland.
Decent Weather = Not Germany.
Fixed.
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