Germans and the '66 World Cup

Morgenthau Plan

... Contrary to popular belief, the Marshall Plan, which was extended to also include Western Germany after it was realized that the suppression of the Western German economy was holding back the recovery of the rest of Europe,was not the main force behind the Wirtschaftswunder. Had that been the case, other countries such as Great Britain and France (which both received higher economic assistance from the Marshal plan than Germany) should have experienced the same phenomenon. In fact, the amount of monetary aid (which was in the form of loans) received by Germany through the Marshall Plan (about $1.4 billion in total) was far overshadowed by the amount the Germans had to pay back as war reparations and by the charges the Allies made on the Germans for the ongoing cost of occupation (about $2.4 billion per year) ...

Cue The Conq informing us that it was The Americans who actually played in latex suits disguised as Englishmen during the 1966 final, and the Marshall Plan funded Martin Peters' boots.

Says who? Are you moderator now? Sorry..didn't get that memo.

As soon you buy a clue, dipshit. You have just admitted that you know nothing about American football. Now, no, you do NOT have to have played something before to be able to have an opinion on it, but when the opinion is as obviously as bullshit as yours, mainly because you do not know what the fuck you're talking about, then, yes, it becomes an issue.

If you don't know what you are talking about, then you should refrain from making incorrect and insidious comments that could lead others to form an opinion of something before they themselves can do so on their own. Does that happen? Yes, there are dumb people out there who let others ignorant opinions color their own. You seem to be living proof of that.

But you don't know what you're talking about anyway...you've already admitted it.

MH75

No memo needed. The forum guidelines are eloquent enough.

Oh, so you know my life history now! You're a freaking soothsayer on top of being an internet genius!

AMAZING!

Way to serious, dude...take a pill or something...

Soccer sucks. The refs are bought and paid for and they need to introduce video reffing. Not to mention that the governing body is corrupt and eurocentric and people actually think Big Bird is a good player for Engerland. Something is just not right with the world. But hey, that is my opinion.

I don't know that much about soccer. I've watched it because my wife is from Germany and she watches and likes American football. Kind of a give and take, I suppose. I actually enjoyed the last World Cup. As far as the refs, I dunno, I suppose that you could be corect, but I do not have enough knowledge about soccer to make a statement like that...unlike others on here, who make statements without knowing what they are talking about.

I don't understand the whole offsides thing. It seems to me that if you allow a man to get behind you, that you shouldn't get bailed out by having a penalty save you. That should be bad for you, bad defense, and good for the driving team, good offense.

MH75

If you don't understand the offside rule, why don't you go back to doing the ironing, or the dishes, or your hair?

Because someone has to keep an eye on you Germans lest you get delusions of european takeover again...

don't be a smartass or get a smartass retort. No one said anything bad about soccer and then here you come trying to be a comedian...trying is the keyword.

MH75

WWII, started by Germany, cost the US alone $350 billion in 1945 dollars, and the entire war's direct cost has been estimated at $4 trillion in 1945 dollars, let alone the cost in human life. Yet you complain about loans? What will you whine about next, the reparations paid to Holocaust survivors?

I have made the same point over and over, but Americans are not allowed by the Brits to have an opinion on soccer. I do know the game and If I were a Brit I would go on and on and on and on about the handball in the German net in Korea and the fact that the US beat Italy but were only allowed to tie because of the refs this time around in Germany. Brits think that bad officiating goes with the game, as an American I say fix the problem and make it fair. Its a clash of cultures. I guess that is why Brits have hooligans and Americans don't. They accept bad behavior, but just spell it differently.

Blimey.

Man with 13 posts from the colonies accuses Mr. Sin of being German. Doesn't he know that Sir Sin OWNS one of the three lions on his shirt.

I know we are meant to tolerate newbies, but mh75 seems to be steaming in a bit unnecessary like 'ere. My advice is to slow down a bit, young man. Let the debate ferment a little. Before we know where we are we'll be 'avin' one of them septic debates, and we don't want that, do we, eh?

Why not, eh? Might liven things up a tad.


I see sweetheart needs to untangle her panties a little. I wouldn't begin to attempt comedy with your kind darling. It would be such a waste of effort. I tell you what though, let us know when you've finished doing your nails and then me and some of the boys might explain the offside rule for your pretty little head.

i think you got very wrong. before i moved to england, i didn't know what 1966 happened. it was not until my English friends and especially newspapers headlines informed me of this special date. sorry to say, but it's the English who have to win another worldcup 'to get over it'.

So how am I incorrect when I say that I find 'merican football boring? Am I also incorrect when I find lawn bowls boring? I don't know shit about that game either. As I said earlier, grow a fucking brain.

And remember folks, only 21 days until American Bashing Season opens.

What does my statement to that muppet below:

Have to do with your reply?:

Last year I watched a documentery on ITV/BBC (can't remember which) and they enhanced the video from the 1966 WC and came to the conclusion that it wasn't a goal.

As for American football, I have tried so many times to watch the game and failed, it really is so so boring, rather like watching paint dry, I don't much like football either, I tend to agree with Jeremy Clarkson (talking about rugby) on this:


Full article, timesonline.co.uk

The English go on about this because that's the last time they've won something in football.

And once again in English for those at the back of the class? And leky, that is a fantastic article - football (be it english or american) is a big girly game. The only men's football games are rugby football and aussie rules

...and hurling...

...abuse.

West Germany won the world cup in 1966 on penalties didnt they?

The ball wasnt over the line and fans were on the pitch when the other was scored, it went to penalties and Germany won!

The EBC fabricated the whole thing.

HO HO!

Question should be "why the hell do the enGERlish bang on about it so much?"

Guys (specifically Schotte and Moni): your're confusing two things.
The English bang on about winning the WC in 1966, yes. This is the correct answer:

Easy one that. But it's not the answer to the question that was asked, which was:

Answer: because it wasn't a goal...

Oh but it was. The ball may not have crossed the line but the ref gave it. Tatsachenentscheidung, as it's called. End of.

I really don't care who Mr Sin is, or his nationality. The point I am getting at here is that there was a lot of American football bashing going on by people who admitted they do not even know anything about it. Now granted, I can understand the passion that Europeans and most of the rest of the world has for soccer, but that is no reason to slam another sport simply "because." Nowhere have I, in my 14 posts ever had a bad word pass from me about soccer, or rugby or any other sport. But the really confounding thing is that when you do come here and say something, everyone (I suppose you fancy yourselves "regulars") piles on because, "how dare the newbie speak out of line!!" Having a condescending attitude like that is certainly not going to increase your posting pool, because people will leave and not come back, which is fine if you just want to sit around all day and post amounst yourselves. But that is not doing anything for anybody but increasing one's own fragile self esteem if all that transpires is that you guys sit around all day telling one another that they are right and patting each other on the back waiting for another "newbie" to come come on so you can smack them upon arrival.

You know, why not look at some of the other behavior before telling someone else how to post...maybe there is a reason for the steaming...

I honestly don't think your competent enough to do it, sin...but give it a shot when ready.

And please...no comedic interludes, you've already failed miserably at that.

MH75

It's your fault for having such a boring sport. Maybe next time you invent one, make it fun to watch, cheers!

Good.


No. I think you're right. Teaching a girl the offside rule is the pinnacle of futility. I've got better things to do.

Hey! Be fair. What about them cheerleaders?

Timmy still wants to buy a clue!! Look, timmy, don't try and backpeddle here and say, "oh I only said this..."

Here is what you said, "American "Football" doesn't qualify as a game, let alone a sport. Things must actually happen in games & sport." That doesn't look like, "I say that I find 'merican football boring." So first you're either a liar for saying that, or an idiot for thinking that you could pull that over...which is it, I am opting for choice number two.

So what said definitely is MORE flagrant than what you are claiming and would mean that for you to make such a remark that you would need some sort of experience to make such a conclusion. Now, had you said what you are now claiming to have said, there would be no problems, but you didn't, so therefore, you are doing as politicians do...spinning. So we refer back to the above and yes, choice number two is the clear winner.

But the fact remains...you admitted that you have NO knowledge of American football, so therefore, you are unqualified to provide commentary as to its merits, other than simply to say that you find it boring as your opinion...which is, of course, what you are claiming to have said in the first place, but what I have clearly shown that you didn't.

Refer once again to choice number two...

Cheers, Mate!

MH75

No to mention that you're too dull to do so. Cats outta the bag now...you got some little boys to play with probably...

How about a sport where people chase a ball around with no hint of strategy or plan for almost two hours...boy, would that be fun to watch!!

american football is fucking shite

enough said really.

bunch of poofs with padding and nae skill

run along now yank (feel free to run for more than 10seconds without making a "tactical" subsitution.)

I've played a very small amount of American football , but I knew a fair few players who came over and gave rugby a try. It's VERY tough (as is rugby) , much more explosive and has a level of analysis and strategy behind it that modern rugby can only dream of.

Having said that, it's dead fucking boring and adding all the pads and shit has killed a game which was a lot better in its infancy.

Whoever said the Eastern Europeans were ahead on doping at any time in the last hasnt got a clue - football is drenched in drugs to a level equalled only by professional cycling.

mh75, you're getting pretty upset over a bunch of people miles away (whom you don't know & are probably never likely to meet) saying American football is boring, not a sport, for pansies (do you know what one of them is!!) etc. Why on earth do you care what we think about that sissy borning non-game

yeah but analysis and strategy dont make it good!

thank god rugby isnt like that.

OK. I'm going to grab the reins with both hands and try to steer this runaway thread back on course. I'm not sure if I can get it all the way back to Germans and the '66 World Cup, but I can suggest this:

Imagine the effect on World Rugby Union if the AFL threw out it's helmets and pads and protectors and attempted to compete head on with the rest of the known World. The potential pool of rugby playing talent would be awesome. They'd just need to adapt to the rules and then learn tactics on-the-move and they could quickly become World Champions.

Imagine the idea of scantily clad cheerleaders transposed over to Rugby and footie.

Imagine them on a freezing cold, rain soaked pitch in Oldham. The nipples would be ENORMOUS!

No. I don't actually know any American Football players personally sweetheart.

This is exactly what I said about the sport being BORING, you are a fucking muppet

"american football - the only sport you can succeed in if youre a fat, unfit fuck who cant work anything out without charts, paper and people moving little models about"

© Schotte 2007

It'd certainly be an improvement over 'merican football, you know why? Because people are doin stuff in this sport (evidenced by chasing a ball), not standing round drinking gatorade and checking out each others packages in their lovely tights.
Get a few more concrete ideas and develop this game that you've suggested, it's potential is already more exciting than 'merican football

More comments from the peanut gallery. What happened there mate...everybody else got you feeling all chipper and all so you got your gut up and decided to throw in as well.

Running around for an hour doesn't make something interesting...soccer and rugby are proof positive of that.

Mope.

We could actually be onto something here. Maybe throw a scrum in there where there is a lot of cock-rubbing going on like in rugby and add a dash of fake falls, like in soccer...all we need now is a brain-dead announcer with a bit of brogue or even some aussie sounding guy...

whatta ya say Dundee...I nominate you for the spot!

Like I've said previously...running around for an hour straight doesn't excitement make...or maybe for you it does. Is it the running or the men doing it that turn you on, mate?

Do you like women's soccer...

Well, great, you would work out great...oh, wait...the understanding of the charts and all might be a tad too much for you. Maybe you'd better stick with running around chasing balls and other men.

That is NOT what you said, assmunch!! Read your own words, or are those too tough for you?

Comprehension is a stretch for you, huh?

That is NOT what you said, assmunch!! Read your own words, or are those too tough for you?

Comprehension is a stretch for you, huh?