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My residency permit application was rejected

I have a job and apartment, what do I do next?

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Virginia2Munich
I have the job. I have the apartment. Now I don't have the residency or work permit. They turned down my application. Why would they do this? What do I do now?
MoiLV
Did they give you a reason why? What is your job? If it is part-time work, I can maybe help you out because there is a certain amount of pay you must earn with the hours you work in order for them to accept the application.

Are you from the US?
wahoo
Need more info. What is the job? What is your background? Have you graduated from uni? Did you give the KVR all they need? Did your employer help with your application (in terms of providing info that you and only you can fulfill the job requirements)?
Virginia2Munich
No reason. Business analyst. Full time work. Yes I'm American. Will be graduating this year. Gave them all the paperwork. Employer filled ou the form with all the necessary bs as to why I'm the only one qualified.
Hazza
Don't stress too much. They often turn it down first. What reason did they give? What sort of work are you doing?

You need to give us a few more details if we're going to be able to help you.

I got residency/work permits for several people (I went to the KVR with them) when I hired non-EU people to my old business. Not a single person got their permit on the first attempt - all of them got it eventually, though...
MoiLV
QUOTE (Virginia2Munich @ Nov 21 2007, 1:28 pm) *
No reason. Business analyst. Full time work. Yes I'm American. Will be graduating this year. Gave them all the paperwork. Employer filled ou the form with all the necessary bs as to why I'm the only one qualified.

What do you mean you'll be graduating this year? From a German uni? Or you're graduating now, still in the US and have the job lined up in MUC?
Gen
Your employer should help you with this. Ask your HR department.
Hazza
OK - you got us more details.

You have to ask them for a reason. Failing that, make minor changes to the form - expand a little more on why you are the only one qualified and take it back to apply again.
Virginia2Munich
When you say eventually how long do you mean by eventually. Hypothetically I've already started the job.
wahoo
Then if the company wants to keep you there, then they will fight for you with the KVR.
MoiLV
QUOTE (Virginia2Munich @ Nov 21 2007, 1:31 pm) *
When you say eventually how long do you mean by eventually. Hypothetically I've already started the job.

How are you working and still studying? Did you give them a notarized document stating that you'll be graduating?
Virginia2Munich
June 2008. British Uni online
HEM
QUOTE (Virginia2Munich @ Nov 21 2007, 1:31 pm) *
Hypothetically I've already started the job.

Then you should
  1. as your HR department to help you (hypothetically of course)
  2. put more info into your profile if you as asking a forum to assist you.
Virginia2Munich
Ok, so whats important is that a No is not final. I'm having a talk with the HR person tomorrow.
MoiLV
Definitely not but be aware that you and your company can face a large fine if you go to work without the proper papers. Officially you must have the residency and thus work permit to actually work.
Hazza
QUOTE (Virginia2Munich @ Nov 21 2007, 1:31 pm) *
When you say eventually how long do you mean by eventually. Hypothetically I've already started the job.

Depends on the person you're dealing with. They are public servants and don't want to have to do the extra work. If you keep getting rejected and keep filling out new forms (there is no limit to how often you can do this), eventually they get sick of the sight of you and give you a visa.

At least that's how it's worked for me...How long it takes? Well that really depends on who you're dealing with. For the people I was getting work permits for, it was anywhere between 3 weeks to 8 months.
Virginia2Munich
Officially I'm not working. But officially there might be a signing bonus when I start
Hazza
QUOTE (Virginia2Munich @ Nov 21 2007, 1:34 pm) *
Ok, so whats important is that a No is not final. I'm having a talk with the HR person tomorrow.

Correct, a "No" is not always a "No". But talking to HR is also a good step in the right direction. If they want you enough, and talk to the KVR people personally, then it adds a bit of weight to your application.

At the very least, they may find out why you were rejected. That's actually quite important for reapplying, because then you know exactly how you have to change your next application.
MoiLV
QUOTE (Hazza @ Nov 21 2007, 1:41 pm) *
At the very least, they may find out why you were rejected. That's actually quite important for reapplying, because then you know exactly how you have to change your next application.

Definitely important. At the KVR they have copies of my bachelor's & master's degree, Zeugnisse from other jobs, reccommendations from employers and professors, my CV, german language proficiency proof.. the list goes on and on. Literally give them EVERYTHING to prove that you are qualified for the job so that there are no more delays in the process. I would definitely also get some sort of notorized document that states that you will, in fact, be graduating in June.

Good luck
Virginia2Munich
Alright, thanks for all the help. I'm less stressed now, and have a plan of action.
markbk
Or use an immigration lawyer. Approved first time, no problem with unlimited duration.
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