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Who says that German food is rubbish?

Michelin guide rates Germany as 2nd best in Europe

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canaryman
Who says that German food is rubbish? Not the Michelin gourmet guide.

Apparently: "German cuisine has advanced to a new height, Germany is consolidating its position as the leading European gourmet nation behind France."

Deutsche Welle: Germany Outcooks Italy in Michelin Guide

We now know why the Germans do not like the pre-packaged meals that so many of the ex-pats here rate so highly, the Germans know that their cuisine is far superior AND the French seem to agree.

Bon Appetite (I think) biggrin.gif
topcat 1
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Fully agree with yer man.
Schotte
theres no fucking way german food is better than british.

come to think of it, what do y'all think of german supermarkets?
Carm
QUOTE (canaryman @ Nov 16 2007, 3:09 pm) *
We now know why the Germans do not like the pre-packaged meals that so many of the ex-pats here rate so highly,

because Germen men have housewives that have all day to shop in 100 shops and spend the day cooking for them. Well, the rest of us folk have to work to pay the rent.
SleeplessInMunich
Its not german food per say that is discussed in the article, it is the number of 3 star resturaunts in the country. And you can bet that those 3 star places haven't got their stars based on German food.
Kay
Someone should have read that article before posting. Take this 3-star restaurant:

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(...) The Spanish-born chef adheres to what's known as "molecular cuisine," having developed his style based on the work of his avant-garde countrymen Ferran Adria and other molecular cooks like Britain's Heston Blumenthal.

The experimental school often makes use of gels and thickening agents from and can include dishes in the form of lollipops or items that burst in your mouth, for example.

Is it German, and is it food?
Timmeh
Think I have to agree with SIM. I'm a big fan of typical German food...meat meat and meat with beer sauce with a beer to wash it down, fab. Somehow I doubt that this is what these restaurants got their stars for tho
topcat 1
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Klaus Erfort, chef in the Saarbrücken restaurant of the same name, and Claus-Peter Lumpp, whose restaurant "Bareiss" is the second three-star eatery in the southern town of Baiersbronn, both earned their third Michelin star. Lumpp's neighbor Harald Wohlfahrt of "Schwarzwaldstube" had joined the three-star list in 1993.

I think there are a few Germans in there.

And the items that burst in your mouth could be the old Pop Rocks again
Kay
Of course there are a few Germans in there...

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Claus-Peter Lumpp, for his French-influenced cuisine at Restaurant Bareiss in the Black Forest town of Baiersbronn; (...)

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Source
topcat 1
French influenced, perhaps, but he is indeed a German
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Kay
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French influenced, perhaps, but he is indeed a German

Read the title, this thread is supposed to be about German FOOD.
worm
The food you get in the average german pub is definately better than the food you get in the average english one. However it's the variety thats lacking
der_Engländer
I say bring on the sloppy pre-packed overpriced British pub grub any day.
DanHessen
LMAO, I remember a few years back my colleagues getting excited about that new "Pringles" brand that just got introduced.
Punchbear
Is anybody else of the opinion that Maggi makes everything taste German?
worm
mm...salt
topcat 1
QUOTE (Kay @ Nov 16 2007, 4:22 pm) *
Read the title, this thread is supposed to be about German FOOD.

I think you will find French influenced food, cooked by a German chef in Germany is indeed German food or would Michelin class it as French blink.gif Sure kebabs are German ph34r.gif

German crisps are really mangy, but lads you cannot beat a bag of Tayto

The Irish invented the first cheese & onion crisp
osmachar
I might be the minority but I happen to I like paprika chips. but I also like some types here - Chipsfrisch Peperoni and Walkers Sensations Thai Sweet Chillie are my favourites if you must know.

And no, I am not defending everything German - there are a lot of things which i cannot stand - but I just think it is really ignorant to take your personal preference and make it 'law' and slag everything that differs and shout down everyone who disagrees.
worm
osmachar - we are not saying that your paprika crisps are bad, just that your overall selection is bad.

80 million germans could indeed be wrong, in much the same way that the whole of of Albania thinks Norman Wisdom is hilarious
der_Engländer
QUOTE (osmachar @ Nov 16 2007, 6:27 pm) *
I like them. So do 80-odd million other people in Germany.

Not saying nobody likes German crisps, just that chips, crisps whatever in the UK are better, generally a better crunchy consistency crisp and hell of a lot more varieties. I discover a new kind every time I go back.
Carm
QUOTE (osmachar @ Nov 16 2007, 5:27 pm) *
I like them. So do 80-odd million other people in Germany.

because there is no other choice! rolleyes.gif
sarabyrd
Please compare German and English/other food in a different thread, this is about German food only.
SleeplessInMunich
Its not really. The title of the thread and the article are a bit misleading. The article is about 3 star resturaunts and chefs and not actually about german food and how good or bad it is.
DanHessen
Spontaneous chit-chat VERBOTEN!
osmachar
QUOTE (Carm @ Nov 16 2007, 6:46 pm) *
because there is no other choice!

You don't like things because there is no choice but because it tasts nice.

I agree that there is a greater variety in the UK, however, in D crisps are eaten occasionally as a 'in front of the telly' snack and not like in the UK where people eat as least a packet of crisps a day as part of their normal diet and crisps are seen as 'food' and not as 'occasional snack'. Worries me whenever I see wee children in prams with a packet of crisps - shocking.
worm
QUOTE (DanHessen @ Nov 16 2007, 6:54 pm) *
Spontaneous chit-chat VERBOTEN!

just don't mention the pork
Carm
QUOTE (osmachar @ Nov 16 2007, 5:57 pm) *
You don't like things because there is no choice but because it tasts nice.

I agree that there is a greater variety in the UK, however, in D crisps are eaten occasionally as a 'in front of the telly' snack and not like in the UK where people eat as least a packet of crisps a day as part of their normal diet and crisps are seen as 'food' and not as 'occasional snack'. Worries me whenever I see wee children in prams with a packet of crisps - shocking.

I eat less chips here than I did back home because they are crap, the potatoes are not uniform, they are cut to thin and the flavours suck.

As for the kids in the pram with crisps, really no different than every german kid walking around with a brezen in the hand, oder?
Rilana
talk about the subject going off on a tangent.

you like those crisps and you like those and bla bla. We get it already. Now back to these 3 star restaurants...(where I doubt they'll be serving crisps!!) tongue.gif
omjoi
The title of the article is simply ridiculous:

"Germany Outcooks Italy in Michelin Guide"

if only! if only!
unfortunately this happens only in the michelin guide. dry.gif
Mariposa
Actually Brezen are a lot healthier than chips... 35gr of fat in chips compared to about 4gr in Brezen (though this varies regionally, can be up to 10gr) per 100gr.

By the way, Carm, none of my German friends have stay-at-home moms, both my parents work. Kinda funny.
osmachar
QUOTE (Carm @ Nov 16 2007, 7:00 pm) *
I eat less chips here than I did back home because they are crap, the potatoes are not uniform, they are cut to thin and the flavours suck.

As for the kids in the pram with crisps, really no different than every german kid walking around with a brezen in the hand, oder?

Again, personal preference NOT general law.

Brezel, i.e. bread, are certainly better than crisps, i.e. full of fat, salt and artificial flavourings.
till
QUOTE (SleeplessInMunich @ Nov 16 2007, 5:53 pm) *
Its not really. The title of the thread and the article are a bit misleading. The article is about 3 star resturaunts and chefs and not actually about german food and how good or bad it is.

Exactly. Quantity of high-class restaurants isn't a particularly interesting statistic. It's somehow unsurprising that you can eat quite well for upwards of €120. Here's a list, though:
http://www.3starrestaurants.com/michelin-r...-star-guide.asp
garibaldi
talk about the subject going off on a tangent.

Fewer chips not less chips, dolt!
gentle jim
I wonder why the British are the among the fattest in the world and growing...because their food is shite.
Fribble
The top restaurants in Germany are actually superb. Most of them seem to be in the south, and many of them have a few different rooms, all served by the same kitchen. Many of them (including Baiersbronn, mentioned above) have a little Stübe which serves only traditional German food, the quality of which is really mindblowingly good.
spyderbyte
All German food tastes the same and there is absolutely no variety in restaurant to restaurant. Michelin, which I used to have a lot of respect for, has absolutely lost their damn minds.
Lavender Rain
I just stumbled onto this timely article published today in the New York Times. According to this article the culinary scene in Germany is changing and should not be considered inferior next to France's. Check this out:

http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/trave...l?ref=tmagazine
Guy
Yet again, I'm struck by the irony of the argument by Germans that crisps are too full of salt and fat.
Not that it's inaccurate (although the % mentioned is a worst case scenario, not what many crisps contain), but because especially here in Bavaria the local traditional cuisine consists of fatty meat dishes with lots of salt.
Mariposa
Guy, that is true, but most families do not eat traditional dishes every day. As had been mentioned on another topic before, traditional German dishes were "created" for hard-working people, who did physical work all day, thus needed a higher calory intake than someone who sits on their butt all day in an office. Most people reserve these traditional dishes for family get-togethers (Sundays) or holidays.
Guy
Sure, I accept that, but most people don't eat crisps or chips regularly for dinner either, although Glasgow doesn't have a reputation for healthy eating.

Nonetheless, head into rural Bavaria and most Gaststätten will have nothing but traditional fare on the menu, so somebody must be eating it.
worm
In the blue corner we have (what I just had for lunch) roast beef and all the trimmings, roast spuds, carrots, peas, yorkshire pud etc

In the red corner, roast pork, red cabbage, and a dumpling and gravy

- I know which I think is a better national dish

England 1 - Germany 0 wink.gif
till
Well, the Yorkshire pudding wins you that one by default. Mmmm.
Mariposa
QUOTE (Guy @ Nov 18 2007, 3:41 pm) *
Nonetheless, head into rural Bavaria and most Gaststätten will have nothing but traditional fare on the menu, so somebody must be eating it.

Yes, but most people also only eat out for special occasions. I eat traditional German food at a restaurant or Gaststätte maybe once a year (when I am living in Germany), and at home maybe once a month tops, and that is still a fat-reduced version (since I try to eat healthy and so do my parents).
I know, I am just one German out of 80something million, so there might be many who eat traditional Bavarian or German dishes a lot more than I do, but well I don't know anyone who eats them regularly.
HEM
QUOTE (worm @ Nov 18 2007, 4:49 pm) *
In the blue corner we have (what I just had for lunch) roast beef and all the trimmings, roast spuds, carrots, peas, yorkshire pud etc

QUOTE (till @ Nov 18 2007, 5:26 pm) *
Well, the Yorkshire pudding wins you that one by default. Mmmm.

Exactly what we'll be having this evening smile.gif

Yesterday we ate German-style. Yer know what? I like them both.
HEM
Deleted due to finger-trouble.

gentle jim
QUOTE (worm @ Nov 18 2007, 4:49 pm) *
In the blue corner we have (what I just had for lunch) roast beef and all the trimmings, roast spuds, carrots, peas, yorkshire pud etc

laugh.gif sounds er very healthy...
DanHessen
Just saw that Japan got eight 3-stars and Tokyo has more Michelin stars than any other City at 191 (Paris 98, London 50, NYC 49).
HEM
You are aware you need a banker's loan to be able to eat out in Tokyo? The only place in the world I have voluntarily eaten at McDoof.
osmachar
QUOTE (Guy @ Nov 18 2007, 4:41 pm) *
Sure, I accept that, but most people don't eat crisps or chips regularly for dinner either, although Glasgow doesn't have a reputation for healthy eating.
...

People everywhere in the UK think crisps are food and eat it regularly with a sandwich for lunch -'it's only potatoes, innit'. And chips are eating everywhere as well - not just Glasgow.
planetmoni
QUOTE (Mariposa @ Nov 18 2007, 5:52 pm) *
Yes, but most people also only eat out for special occasions.

i must have a special occasion at least once every 2weeks then.

QUOTE (Mariposa @ Nov 18 2007, 5:52 pm) *
I eat traditional German food at a restaurant or Gaststätte maybe once a year (when I am living in Germany), and at home maybe once a month tops, and that is still a fat-reduced version (since I try to eat healthy and so do my parents).
I know, I am just one German out of 80something million, so there might be many who eat traditional Bavarian or German dishes a lot more than I do, but well I don't know anyone who eats them regularly.

i would like to make a distinction between German and Bavarian food. ph34r.gif (Austrian is very nice imo)
regularly - is that once a months? if so, i know a lot of people who eat Bavarian food regularly.
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