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The spacetime continuum in my morning coffee

It tastes like maple syrup from Mars

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Champion Sound
Lately, i have recognized that quantum theory has nothing in it that can be regarded as a description of qualities or properties of nature that are located at the point of infinitesimal regions of the spacetime continuum...
However, all we really know about the spacetime continuum is that it is a concept that has been useful for organizing sense experience. I realize that mans effort to comprehend the world in terms of the idea of an external reality inhering in a spacetime continuum reached its culmination in classical field theory, yet that theory, though satisfactory in the domain of macroscopic phenomena, fails to provide a satisfactory account in the microscopic sources of the field. (and as we know, the bulk of Einsteins scientific life was spent in a frustrated effort to make these ideas work at the microscopic level) So does the rejection of classical theory in favor of quantum theory reject the notion that external reality resides in a spacetime continuum? Does it signal that "space", like color, lies in the mind of the beholder?
dino_9876
Anything that runs can be stopped. the fact that it started running says it was stationary at one point in time.
So, when the time stops, we will have a great calamity in the universe.
Truth.
cypher
Do you order it in the restaurant at the end of the universe?
coffee to go?
GreenTea
Wow, that must be one helluva morning coffee you got there in NYC ... or is it just the Starbucks flavour of the month? wacko.gif

So many questions, so little time ... umm, you think TT has the answers? unsure.gif
Renia
I like to think that I am imaging this all and my real life is happening parallel. So, yes.
GreenTea
I sometimes get spiral galaxies in my morning coffee. Don't think I've ever had a whole spacetime continuum in there though.

If space only exists in the mind of the beholder, does that mean the universe only exists because we are there to imagine it?

@Renia: Be careful what you wish for! laugh.gif
eurovol
If you travel only in increments of half way through the time continuum (continually dividing what lies between you and the end), will space post on this thread?
Champion Sound
QUOTE (GreenTea @ Nov 14 2007, 5:31 pm) *
I sometimes get spiral galaxies in my morning coffee.

Yes... adding certain brands of soy milk into morning coffee does indeed fractalise into spiral galaxies! smile.gif

To put my earlier statement into lamens terms... Why, when we look at a triangle, do we experience three lines joined at three points, and not some pattern of neuron firings? And are not the inner workings of mind also subject to the same paradigns that all entities follow? The big question i imagine is, does human consciousness follow any laws of quantum mechanics? If your answer is yes, then the argument is made that ALL reality exists within the workings of mind... If your anwer is no, then you reject all conceived notions of quantum theory, for apparently "thought" blazes its own path thereby rejecting the notion of uniformity in governing laws established to explain nearly every concept in physics. Quantum mechanics and "new physics" is certainly an exciting area in the past few years. The Big Bang theory is surely going to be dismissed in coming years. For it completely falters in explaining many phenomena. BUt that will have to wait for another thread.

Till then, turn up the bass and meet me on the dancefloor!
vandyfan
Well when I try to have discussions with the projections in this dimension of pan-dimensional hyper intelligent beings that are scurrying across the floor I never seem to get the answers I want. I believe that there will be a paradigm shift soon, just as classical theory went out when quantum came about. I have B.S. in Physics and usually bs is what most of our theories turn out to be anyway.
GreenTea
I think Roger Penrose (renowned mathematician) was trying to pursue some ideas vaguely along these lines in his books "The Emperor's New Mind" and "Shadows of the Mind" which I read many many years ago. IIRC, he had this idea that a certain structure in the nucleus of living cells could be sensitive to quantum fluctuations (can't remember the details now) and that this link to the quantum world could be the seat of consciousness. Although - to me at least - that doesn't explain why consciousness appears to be located in the brain, and not in, say, your liver or your big toe, which are also made of cells with the same DNA. I would suspect rather that consciousness appears in the physical world when a sufficiently complex physical system - like the human brain - is available as a "receptacle" for it. But it's a long time since I was reading about this stuff, so I really haven't a clue what ideas are floating around these days.

I once tried soy milk in coffee, and the results were not good. No spiral galaxies - it curdled and turned into a load of nasty space debris. Works OK in tea though.
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