Advice on what's available and where to get one
<<M>>
22.Oct.2007 22:17 hrs
Well, just to know when ski/snowboarding season is up, and if anyone knows anything about how to get a season ticket to be able to go all the times you want with that ticket this season. Also if there are buses getting there and how expensive they are.
Also while im at it, anyone here snowboards too? I mean, im no expert, I have been snowboarding since I was 11 years old, but I never had the chance to really get into it since I would go just a certain amount of days per season. Still one of my fave sports though!
See ya!
Hutcho
23.Oct.2007 08:29 hrs
You should do a search, there are plenty of threads on this topic, and they will be valid for this year as well.
Editor Bob
23.Oct.2007 09:39 hrs
There are no topics about ski/snowboard season tickets, as far as I can tell. Info on buses is covered here:
ski/snowboard day trips from Munich
Small Town Boy
23.Oct.2007 09:48 hrs
For information on season tickets, just go to the website of whichever resort you're interested in. Make sure you're seated at the time.
Johnny English
23.Oct.2007 09:57 hrs
You can get a season ticket for somewhere like the Salzkammergut region, around 800kms, for a very reasonable price - just a bit more than 2 weeks. Cannot be bothered to google it, but something like €300-400.
Would need a car to make use of that and quite a bit of free time.
Owain Glyndwr
23.Oct.2007 10:00 hrs
Wilder Kaiser is a good one as well, since it is easily reachable on day trips and you can get there without paying the Austrian vignette.
Hutcho
23.Oct.2007 10:06 hrs
I don't believe you can get Wilder Kaiser anymore without a Vignette.. you used to be able to exit at Kufstein without one but not anymore..
If you're just thinking about going on weekends, a season pass probably isn't worth it. If you intend to do weekends and also a couple of weeks down there, then it starts to work out better..
It'll be 400 euros at least for a decent ski area. You've got to go 15 times to make it worth it in this case.
Ami in Berlin
25.Oct.2007 12:35 hrs
Far be it from me to tell the Müncheners where to go, but €593 gets you a season Happy Ski Card, good for Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Mittenwald, Seefeld, and the Tiroler Zugspitze region. Taken together, that's a lot of skiing. And all of it is reachable by regional train from Munich. In GAP and Bichelbach, the train stops right at the ski lift. For the other places, it's only a short walk.
A lot of people seem to overlook this area and just drive on by to the larger resorts in Austria. At least in my opinion, this is a mistake. There is some really good and surprisingly varied skiing to be had closer to home.
I do think €593 is a bit much, though.
Hutcho
26.Oct.2007 08:17 hrs
This region is nice, but it's not that much closer to Munich than the usual area's in Austria. It all depends on exactly where you live in Munich but you can be at Skiwelt in 1 hour or Zillertal or Innsbruck resorts in 1.5 hours from my place in
Neuhausen. It'll take the same to get to the region you're talking about - 1 hour to Zugspitze or 1.5 hours to get to Seefeld.
That price for a season ticket is far too much in my opinion. Normally I go skiing on weekends, and unless it's a powder day, I just show up at around 11am. At this time, you can get a ticket to most big resorts for under 30 euros, and local places like Sudelfeld for just over 20 euros. Considering if you don't buy a season ticket you have a choice of where to go to each time and considering you'd probably do a few longer trips that reduce the day ticket price too, your average price will be around 25 euros for a day ticket. You'd have to go 24 days to even break even with that season ticket cost. Ok, if you go for a 2 week holiday, and then 1 day almost every weekend in the season, you'd get close. But that's pretty hardcore, and you'd be stuck in the same area each time.
This is the reason I opt for day passes.
Ami in Berlin
26.Oct.2007 10:06 hrs
Yes, €593 is rather steep. If I'm not mistaken, that's substantially more expensive than the Salzburg Super Ski Pass, which has something like 900 km of top class pistes. A season ticket just for the Zugspitze and the GAP Classic area is €495, and just the Classic area €375. But I think you'd get bored pretty quickly without the option of nicking over to Lermoos, Mittenwald and Seefeld. The advantage is that while the areas in Austria may be nearly as close if you're driving, M also inquired about public transport to the ski areas. The train from Munich drops you off right at the Hausberg lift at GAP.
http://www.zugspitze.de/zugspitze/preise/p..._saisonpass.php
EDIT:
http://www.salzburgsuperskicard.com/
€485 gets you 2,200 km of pistes. That's insane. My home mountain in the US (Crystal Mt, WA) is getting close to twice that price. God I wish I lived close enough to be able to make use of this.
Hutcho
26.Oct.2007 11:06 hrs
Prices are definitely cheaper here in Europe for lift passes on the whole. I was in Tahoe though, and they were selling season passes there for $300 - bargain! Salzburg super ski pass is excellent - but even though I'm in Munich, it's still a little far to go for day trips.
The Zugspizte season pass is over priced, just as their day pass is. They charge 47 euros for a return trip in the Summer, and 38 euros for a day pass in the winter. The summer charge is just ridiculous, and the winter pass is more expensive than almost every other ski area in Austria or Germany, even though the area itself is really not that great. Yet people still pay it.
Ami in Berlin
26.Oct.2007 11:32 hrs
The thing in the US, though, is that while the sticker price is shockingly high (Vail is, I believe $87 per day this season), you can almost always find deeply discounted tickets in local shops. My home mountain is still $53 per day, though, and even the crappy small hill nearby is $45. I compare that to the €35 I paid last year in Engelberg, CH, which is a much bigger mountain, or the €29 (!!!) I paid at Axamer Lizum, AU. So you're right, lift tickets are by and large much cheaper in Europe. Even the mega-resorts in France seem pretty reasonable. Lodging is also in most cases quite a bit cheaper in Europe. It's the food and drink where the US starts to get cheaper (although I think the prices in Austria are pretty fair in that respect, too).
I don't get the Zugspitze pricing at all. We were there last winter, and my girlfriend wasn't skiing. She just wanted to go up the mountain. Her ticket only cost €2 less than a lift pass! Considering the non-skiier is probably going to spend more money eating and drinking than the skier, you'd think they'd encourage more of them. I found the multi-day Happy Ski Card (ca. €30 per day for five days) OK, but the day prices seemed absurd. And they wonder why they have trouble competitng with the Austrian resorts.
Hey, only €11.50 for a day ticket in Altenberg! OK, only one drag lift and a magic carpet, but €11.50!!!
Corcaigh
26.Oct.2007 11:35 hrs
Alpen-plus do a season ticket which covers the following ski-areas:
Brauneck (Lenggreis) - Wallberg - Spitzing - Sudelfeld - Zahmer Kaiser/Tirol.
for an adult if you buy before 15.Nov its €260 for the season.
We had a family pass for the same area a few years ago and it really was value for money (4 kids+2 adults for ca. €550).
Theres a train/bus combo from
hauptbahnhof (Mü) which takes you direct to the lifts in Lenggreis and is not expensive afaik. Don't know about trains to the other areas.
Here's a link for more info:
http://www.alpenplus.com/bergbahnen/index.php?Set_ID=58
stray bird
26.Oct.2007 12:19 hrs
You have to compare the average income of American and European to make a fair comparison of price for ski price. As far as I notice, for the people with similar education, American earns more than European. So no wonder that the ski ticket is more expensive in US. (maybe for the current foreign exchange rate, my statement is not longer valid)
Hutcho
26.Oct.2007 12:34 hrs
It depends what industry you're in. I'll bet that someone with a plain highschool education who works at McDonalds here in Germany gets more money than someone doing the same in the US.
The Alpen-plus deal isn't a bad one, even though these ski area's are a lot smaller than the other ones mentioned so far. In the winter, DB run a deal that includes lift pass and the train to Lenggries, Sudelfeld or Spitzingsee that costs around 35 euros. It's a good deal if you don't have a car.
There are loads of buses that leave for resorts in Austria too for around that price. There are other threads on this though.
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