UglyIdiotWhoShouldDie
Oct 10 2007, 4:53 am
How do i pronounce the word sprechen? I cant seem to nail it. Any hints?
MichiS
Oct 10 2007, 6:23 am
Here's the link for the pronounciation from
dict.leo.org
UglyIdiotWhoShouldDie
Oct 10 2007, 6:35 am
yeah ive heard it plenty of times and can tell as soon as the word exits my mouth that ive said it wrong. I asked my sister to say and she said it perfectly just like a german. So i know its within my reach to pronounce it better. I was hoping someone else had difficulty and had overcome it.
EDIT: I have Connecticut accent if that makes a difference.
MichiS
Oct 10 2007, 6:37 am
The hardest part probably is the "ch". It's quite similar to the sound of an angry cat. Try to emulate this sound.
Mauddib
Oct 10 2007, 6:44 am
Michael Thomas on his CDs teaching German dedicates a good bit of time to this. The CH sound isnt one we have in english really. Ich and sprechen are the best examples.
He suggests thats it quite like telling someone to "shhhh" but with a C. Ive tried that a few times and I think I got it down.
mrbobke
Oct 10 2007, 6:49 am
I don't think its pronounced the same Germany-wide. For example, in Köln, it sounds more like spreshen, with a soft c... so you could always move to somewhere you can pronounce it
Purple Muffin
Oct 10 2007, 6:49 am
Ok if this doesn't sound daft what I think you could also try for words like ich and sprechen is to lift the tip of your tongue up in your mouth a little and let the CH sound roll over top of your tongue.
I know lots of English speakers have problems with this. I think I was lucky with German pronunciation as a lot of it is similar to Welsh I didn't really realise this until I heard my boyfriend (who is also Welsh) speaking German too. His German is not so good but pronunciation of 'ich' is excellent
Janx Spirit
Oct 10 2007, 7:15 am
Can you pronounce "the Loch Ness Monster"? - The "ch" in "loch" is as near enough to the "ch" in "sprechen".
miwild
Oct 10 2007, 7:30 am
Janx Spirit
Oct 10 2007, 7:43 am
Thou jests. Not only the Swiss Germans but nearly everywhere south of the Donau pronounces it with the soft "ch" of loch. Bei den Sau-Preußen ist es vielleicht anders
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/loch
cruiser
Oct 10 2007, 8:44 am
QUOTE (Mauddib @ Oct 10 2007, 7:44 am)

The CH sound isnt one we have in english really.
But we do have it in Cymraeg (Welsh)!
RainyDays
Oct 10 2007, 9:02 am
Unless you want to speak an alemannic dialect (which you probably don't), there are two different "ch" sounds, depending on which vowel preceeds: compare "ach!", "kochen" and "kuchen" to "ich" and "sprechen". When saying "ach!", the back part of the tongue lightly touches the throat, and the air passing through creates a rough sound that resembles the sound in scottish "loch". Same with "kochen" and "kuchen".
In contrast to this, when you form the vowels "i" and "e", you open your mouth as if you wanted to smile, which means the teeth are barely parted, and the tongue is flat and presses against the sides of the lower row of teeth. Then, when you say "ich", the air passes laterally and creates a softer sound than in "ach!".
But as others have said, you can pretend speaking the Cologne dialect or also Hessian, where people speak "föschterlisch" (fürchterlich).
miwild
Oct 10 2007, 10:56 am
QUOTE (RainyDays @ Oct 10 2007, 10:02 am)

... Hessian, where people speak "föschterlisch" (fürchterlich) ...
That´s called
"Fernsehhessisch" ... there´s actually no single
Hessian dialect spoken by all Hessians
PES
Oct 10 2007, 10:59 am
QUOTE (UglyIdiotWhoShouldDie @ Oct 10 2007, 7:35 am)

EDIT: I have Connecticut accent if that makes a difference.
What the hell is a Connecticut accent? Is it like a Boston accent? I was born in New Haven, and as far as a remember Connecticut was fairly free of both a strong Boston or New York accent.
Foxglove
Oct 10 2007, 11:30 am
I say it like "spreshen". I live in Hessen, and everyone says it that way.
Rebecca
Oct 10 2007, 12:06 pm
Once you can do sprechen try Eichörnchen.
Eleanor Rigby
Oct 10 2007, 12:42 pm
Hochdeutsch: Shpre-hen
cruiser
Oct 10 2007, 12:46 pm
If you can say this...
llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch (note the 'chs'), then
'Sprechen' is a walk in the park!
RainyDays
Oct 10 2007, 12:57 pm
Wow

And what does it mean? It doesn't sound very friendly ...
say the name 'Hugh', and list the sound at the beginning as the air passes over the tongue.
the tip of your tongue needs to be touching your bottom teeth, other wise you get an 'SH' sound.
it's a frontal CH as opposed to a back CH like in 'Buch'
Purple Muffin
Oct 10 2007, 1:43 pm
QUOTE (RainyDays @ Oct 10 2007, 1:57 pm)

Wow And what does it mean? It doesn't sound very friendly ...
It is a town in Wales.
As unfriendly as
Personvereinzelungsanlage or
Unkrautvernichtungsmittel perhaps? I am sure I could find some others in German...
Purple Muffin
Oct 10 2007, 1:45 pm
QUOTE (RainyDays @ Oct 10 2007, 1:57 pm)

Wow And what does it mean? It doesn't sound very friendly ...
The Church of Mary in the Hollow of the White Hazel Near the Fierce Whirlpool and the Church of Tysilio By the Red Cave is the exact translation
Owain Glyndwr
Oct 10 2007, 1:49 pm
Purple Muffin, nice translation and although it is right it is not the correct translation

chwyrn translates as rapid not fierce, so this would be the right way:
Saint Mary's Church in the hollow of the white hazel near the rapid whirlpool and the Church of Saint Tysilio of the red cave.
QUOTE (cruiser @ Oct 10 2007, 1:46 pm)

llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
can we get a sound clip of that?!
Welsh man
Oct 10 2007, 2:41 pm
QUOTE (cruiser @ Oct 10 2007, 1:46 pm)

If you can say this... llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch (note the 'chs'), then 'Sprechen' is a walk in the park!
yeah there it is the longest named town on Wales.
Owain Glyndwr
Oct 10 2007, 3:43 pm
QUOTE (tor @ Oct 10 2007, 3:24 pm)

can we get a sound clip of that?!
here you go:
http://www.llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyr...es/llandad4.wavspoken in rather affected Goggish.
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