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Lifeisabuffet
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What am I doing wrong?
Okay, I'm tired of beating around the bush. I'm a beautiful (spectacularly beautiful) 25 year old girl. I'm articulate and classy. I'm not from New York . I'm looking to get married to a guy who makes at least half a million a year. I know how that sounds, but keep in mind that a million a year is middle class in New York City, so I don't think I'm overreaching at all.

Are there any guys who make 500K or more on this board? Any wives? Could you send me some tips? I dated a business man who makes average around 200 - 250. But that's where I seem to hit a roadblock. 250,000 won't get me to central park west. I know a woman in my yoga class who was married to an investment banker and lives in Tribeca, and she's not as pretty as I am, nor is she a great genius. So what is she doing right? How do I get to her level?

Here are my questions specifically:

- Where do you single rich men hang out? Give me specifics- bars, restaurants, gyms

-What are you looking for in a mate? Be honest guys, you won't hurt my
feelings

-Is there an age range I should be targeting (I'm 25)?

- Why are some of the women living lavish lifestyles on the upper east side so plain? I've seen really 'plain jane' boring types who have nothing to offer married to incredibly wealthy guys. I've seen drop dead gorgeous girls in singles bars in the east village. What's the story there?

- Jobs I should look out for? Everyone knows - lawyer, investment banker, doctor. How much do those guys really make? And where do they hang out? Where do the hedge fund guys hang out?

- How you decide marriage vs. just a girlfriend? I am looking for MARRIAGE ONLY

Please hold your insults - I'm putting myself out there in an honest way. Most beautiful women are superficial; at least I'm being up front about it. I wouldn't be searching for these kind of guys if I wasn't able to match them - in looks, culture, sophistication, and keeping a nice home and hearth.

And answer to this ad by Deal Breaker

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I read your posting with great interest and have thought meaningfully about your dilemma. I offer the following analysis of your predicament. Firstly, I'm not wasting your time, I qualify as a guy who fits your bill; that is I make more than $500K per year. That said here's how I see it.
Your offer, from the prospective of a guy like me, is plain and simple a cr@ppy business deal. Here's why. Cutting through all the B.S., what you suggest is a simple trade: you bring your looks to the party and I bring my money. Fine, simple. But here's the rub, your looks will fade and my money will likely continue into perpetuity...in fact, it is very likely that my income increases but it is an absolute certainty that you won't be getting any more beautiful!

So, in economic terms you are a depreciating asset and I am an earning asset. Not only are you a depreciating asset, your depreciation accelerates! Let me explain, you're 25 now and will likely stay pretty hot for the next 5 years, but less so each year. Then the fade begins in earnest. By 35 stick a fork in you!

So in Wall Street terms, we would call you a trading position, not a buy and hold...hence the rub...marriage. It doesn't make good business sense to "buy you" (which is what you're asking) so I'd rather lease. In case you think I'm being cruel, I would say the following. If my money were to go away, so would you, so when your beauty fades I need an out. It's as simple as that. So a deal that makes sense is dating, not marriage.

Separately, I was taught early in my career about efficient markets. So, I wonder why a girl as "articulate, classy and spectacularly beautiful" as you has been unable to find your sugar daddy. I find it hard to believe that if you are as gorgeous as you say you are that the $500K hasn't found you, if not only for a tryout.

By the way, you could always find a way to make your own money and then we wouldn't need to have this difficult conversation.

With all that said, I must say you're going about it the right way. Classic "pump and dump."

I hope this is helpful, and if you want to enter into some sort of lease, let me know.
Renia
Wow, talk about mercenary! Maybe that is the advantage to getting married young, you know it was for pure and simple reasons (lust, sex etc)
frizzyjen
Craigslist- isn't that the one you can find a one night stand on?
Lifeisabuffet
You can find one night stands on Craiglist? Didn't know that one. blink.gif
frizzyjen
I'm sure I read an article on it
worm
man...how good was that reply!!!
Genie
I'm sure she counts herself as a feminist too, this $500K whore. What would any woman in the world, feminist or not, think of this if it were a man wooing rich ladies like that?
Eleanor Rigby
You say whore like it's a bad thing.
Kat
I beg to differ that her 'assets' would be depreciating as fast as DealBreaker claims. With the plastic surgery and personal trainers all that money can buy, she could be keeping her 'assets' stable well up to almost 60. Not only that, she may well have burnt through his assets in half that time. So who is really depreciating faster? wink.gif
Genie
QUOTE (Eleanor Rigby @ Oct 5 2007, 2:59 pm) *
You say whore like it's a bad thing.

Now, what makes you say something like that?

@Kat: But once she's married, with an attitude like that, what's her incentive to do all that? She has her share of the pot, right? I think the guy's analysis holds.
Lifeisabuffet
I think she wants to get married to a rich guy so she can divorce him and get his money and move on to the next rich guy. Hence Dealbreaker's pump and dump metaphor.
frizzyjen
so cynical...!!! wink.gif
Eleanor Rigby
Please tell me how this is any different than the thousands of ads from men looking for nothing but skinny blonds with big boobs?

Sad as it is she's being a lot more honest about it than many others.

Fact is, we're all driven by similar basic evolutionary needs, some of us are just better at disguising them than others.
Lifeisabuffet
ER you mean...

QUOTE (Eleanor Rigby @ Oct 5 2007, 4:12 pm) *
Please tell me how this is any different than the thousands of ads from ugly, toothless, fat, old men looking for skinny blonds with big boobs?
Genie
These are indeed two forms of low, but I'll argue that hers is even lower than boob-seekers. At least, in their case, they're actually interested in (the superficial, physical qualities of) the girl.
Lifeisabuffet
Word of the day: boob-seekers
laugh.gif
Eleanor Rigby
QUOTE (Genie @ Oct 5 2007, 4:16 pm) *
These are indeed two forms of low, but I'll argue that hers is even lower than boob-seekers. At least, in their case, they're actually interested in (the superficial, physical qualities of) the girl.

Not necessarily, I could be a skinny blond with big boobs if I really wanted to be (we all could), none of which would be my own qualities but qualites I purchased from a store.

What is low about following your natural human evolutionary drives? Should you be ashamed that you find young, pretty women more attractive than old, fat, unhealthy women? Should I be ashamed that I'd prefer my boyfriend to be a millionaire than a pauper?
Genie
This is true, but then you wouldn't count as top-merchandise on the boob market. I mean, these people aren't looking for bleached C-cup jobs, they're looking for the real thing.

Sorry for the late edit, I just wanted to say there's an ocean between finding someone attractive because she's young and pretty (that's almost a tautology there if you drop the 'young'), and jumping into church with someone, till death do us part, because he's loaded.
Eleanor Rigby
Don't be so sure, these days you can't always tell the difference and there's a certain class of gentleman who actually prefer the fake to the real (generally the ones who've made their first million recently rather than those who grew up that way).
Fribble
Anyway, all the $500k whore has to do is change her demo a little. She should find a really rich guy in sales in the finance industry who would take her to some gala events in return for a little play. There, she could accidentally meet men on their 2nd or 3rd wives looking for a change; they would eat her up as long as she pretends to be a little more coy/helpless, and lets them chase her. Then she could easily bag a 7-figure sugar daddy. I used to know a few women like this (I was not one of them).
parnell
$500k whores direct ... 1-8-0-0-5-0-0-K-W-H-O-R-E-S

I dunno , sounds like a pretty good name to me...
Lifeisabuffet
QUOTE (Fribble @ Oct 5 2007, 4:28 pm) *
Anyway, all the $500k whore has to do is change her demo a little. She should find a really rich guy in sales in the finance industry who would take her to some gala events in return for a little play. There, she could accidentally meet men on their 2nd or 3rd wives looking for a change; they would eat her up as long as she pretends to be a little more coy/helpless, and lets them chase her. Then she could easily bag a 7-figure sugar daddy. I used to know a few women like this (I was not one of them).

Yeah I think she should put her ad in the Financial Times Classifieds Section. laugh.gif
JerseyBoy
For those women out there looking for sugar daddies, we men are onto you.
worm
not all rich men just want to 'rent' women...it is possible to be wealthy and just a normal person who wants love with someone kind
Lifeisabuffet
that's why the rich guys married the average plain girls instead of the "pretty" girls she is referring to who are still hanging out at the singles bar.
Kat
QUOTE (Lifeisabuffet @ Oct 5 2007, 4:06 pm) *
I think she wants to get married to a rich guy so she can divorce him and get his money and move on to the next rich guy. Hence Dealbreaker's pump and dump metaphor.

I'm willing to doubt this. She's not just selling herself for the money, but for his lifestyle too, which she's not likely to be able to keep up on alimony. She'll make her career out of looking glamorous, being seen at haute couture shows, having his children, and dropping to her knees to blow him off during his morning (freshly-squeezed) orange juice. Women like her will let themselves be put through loads of humiliation before they'll let it go. Just ask Jeri Hall. I think she may have even written a book on it (if not, she could).
And I'll also add that any man that marries her isn't any more likely to love her than she will him. It's more like a business arrangement. Serves them both right, and fair is fair.
Crawlie
As long as the prenup is watertight with plenty of conditions that go in favor of the male party, there is no reason not to enter into a deal with her, on a short term basis of course.
Saint
The girl is not that brilliant. If she was she would know how to research and would find that there are dating services..very exclusive dating services for wealthy men.

However, and here is the catch:

The women they are looking for are not only beautiful but self-sufficient, highly educated and trained in social etiquette. This girl doesn't have what it takes or she wouldn't have to ask what's she's doing wrong.

Want to find a rich man in New York? Join a few charities, go to events..to Art exhibits, Breast Cancer Awareness fund-raisers, Hospital events (where all of the doctors will be).

She also needs some money of her own so that she can invest in the high membership fees that exclusive clubs charge. You don't get something for nothing honey. There are probably common prostitutes in New York who are better looking than she is.

What she also needs to realize is that the good looking, high earners are hot market commodities. Her best chance is with a relatively unattractive 40 something divorcée who needs a step-mother to his kids.

I could be married to a rich guy within the next 24 months if I wanted...but you see..to be frank, I have something against a man I don't love and am not attracted to, sticking his penis in me on a regular basis.

So I'll wait for the "poor riff raff"* that I am meant for and be his soul mate..and hopefully he will make love to me all the time and be a great husband and love my cooking.

*by her standards my German ex with his six-figure salary would be a pauper. rolleyes.gif
And he married a poor, unattractive girl from Peru who will be submissive and stay home...
Renia
Acquisitive Craigslist Post Reddens Faces All Around

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Last week, this exchange spilled over into the e-mail world, where the it turned into a popular item to send to friends as a joke. The difference between this and other outrageous share-mail messages, however, was that instead of remaining anonymous, its ostensible author signed his name and the company where he worked, which happened to be the investment banking division of JPMorgan Chase.


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The man who is widely credited with writing the response did not respond to a voice message, but the media relations department at JPMorgan Chase confirmed that he worked there and said that he was not the author. Rather, a company spokesman said, he had forwarded the e-mail message to friends, and the signature setting on his e-mail accompanied the response when it wound up on blogs.
Conquistador
Sounds to me like the original Craigslist poster is a narcissist, so although Saint is right about who is a realistic target for her, she also wouldn't want to be a stepmother or be with someone unattractive and much older than her.
Hutcho
Sounds like Saint has put a lot of thought into this subject!
sharpe
QUOTE (Saint @ Oct 5 2007, 5:11 pm) *
*by her standards my German ex with his six-figure salary would be a pauper.
And he married a poor, unattractive girl from Peru who will be submissive and stay home...

Did he leave you or you left him?
BattalionBoy
Saint before you marry some poor riffraff why don’t you marry some super old bastard like Anna Nicole Smith did so you can get rich. You can always buy him fake Viagra so you wouldn’t have to suffer any crinkly horrible sex with him – even put bromide in his food. Also cook him loads of extra fatty foods and take him on scary high g fair ground rides to kill him off quick.
Lifeisabuffet
That woman had another ad where she responded to the man who called her a "depreciating asset" smile.gif

To that gentleman who called me a depreciating asset

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Dear Sir,

I must confess that I was somewhat taken aback upon reading your email. Indeed, it has taken some time for me to sufficiently recuperate from my surprise. Lest your confidence quickly inflate for little reason (as we know is the predisposition for Wall St. types), allow me to hasten to reassure you that the source of my surprise was neither your candor nor the accuracy of your perception. Indeed, it is your "claimed" success in light of your poor grasp of economics which has me baffled. If the standards required to meet with financial success on Wall St. have sunk so low, perhaps I should indeed "make my own money", except for the fact that the effort/reward ratio is far too high for my liking - especially when so many of your ilk have displayed a far more cogent grasp of market realities than you have.

By now you are likely scratching your ever-vanishing hairline in confusion, so allow me to elaborate, dear man. To build some credibility I will tell you a bit more about yourself. Though you did not mention the details of your occupation, it is clear that you are an investment banker and not a trader, as any good trader would understand that human courtships are based upon a semi-efficient open market, and not an investment banking cartel. However, your inability to grasp the realities of the dating market is not surprising, given that you have successfully employed the tools of collusion and market manipulation rather that true acumen in your supposed wealth generation.

If your grasp of finance were not a minority partner with your ego, you would realize that the "outflows" associated with my depreciating "assets" are quite certain, and therefore subject to a low discount rate when determining their present value. In addition, though your concept of economics evidentially failed to move past the 1950s, advancement in plastic surgery is not subject to the same limitation. Thus, with some additional capital expenditure, the overall lifetime of "outflows" generated by these assets is greatly increased. Sad that Ashton Kutcher has demonstrated understanding of the female asset class which you, in all of your financial "wisdom", have not.

You, on the other hand, are, given the uncertainty of the Wall St. job market, more of an inflation-indexed junk bond with an underwater nested call option. Though you may argue that you are more of an equity investment, my monetary minimums required from you do not change, and if you are unable to pay them, I will liquidate you without the benefit of a chapter 11, just as you would me.

Because your outflows are so much more uncertain with respect to mine, I require additional compensation in the form of a underwater nested call option on your future assets. I say underwater because, even taking into account the value of your junk bond coupon payment to me, the value of my "outflow" is in excess of the market price of your equity (which is quite low due to its riskiness associated with your poor grasp of finance and my existing claim upon your junk bond coupon).

I must thank you though for raising the question, despite the reputation cost of subjecting your weak logic to such widespread scrutiny. This took either considerable courage or ignorance on your part- and we'll give you the benefit of doubt, just this once. My current boyfriend (a trader who lives in Central Park West, of course) and I thoroughly enjoyed discussing your response and we wish you the best of luck in your unhappy pursuit of that elusive market inefficiency.
sharpe
Does not look like the writers are same.
Lifeisabuffet
I agree. I think it is a guy who is pretending to be that woman.
Scogs
going to be a bit mean here but 500k in USD isnt very much and getting less by the day, I would aim a bit higher
worm
does anyone understand what that 'reply' is on about (apart from the plastic surgery bit - I got that)
Johnny English
She is gonna degrade at a fixed predictable rate and this can be extended with surgery. Whereas the bloke could lose his job overnight and then be worth fuck all.
sharpe
Yes but the woman will be same at best so law of diminishing returns will apply here where as she can use money for different things increasing marginal satisfaction every time.
Lifeisabuffet
well she or he (or whoever wrote this response) tries to brag about their knowledge of finance and actually pretending to be smart. What really strikes me is that in the first ad the woman was "looking" for a man who earns 500K plus and now she says that she discussed this ad with her boyfriend? Either she is extremely dumb, or she claims to have a boyfriend who is okay with her living with him and looking for other guys at the same time?
Element2082
"Because your outflows are so much more uncertain with respect to mine, I require additional compensation in the form of a underwater nested call option on your future assets. I say underwater because, even taking into account the value of your junk bond coupon payment to me, the value of my "outflow" is in excess of the market price of your equity (which is quite low due to its riskiness associated with your poor grasp of finance and my existing claim upon your junk bond coupon).

First she is evalutating his bond rating as a junk bond. No grounds to do that.
Second she is claiming to want to buy a call for something she says knows she is not going to profit in ie: his price is going to go below the strike price in the future.
Third: She is not in the position ( linked with the first comment) to evalute the volatility of his return. There's no basis, no technical information.

Basically she is saying a call option to ensure a backup in case his value goes below a certain threshold plus the compounded coupon payments over the years will not add up to the value she invested in the beginning (owing also to the price she pays for the option)

Insulting yo!...and really dumb too. If the price was going to go below the strike price you would want to buy a Put option. Depends on her own evaluation of herself (outflows hehe...what a word lol)

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Element2082
QUOTE (Saint @ Oct 5 2007, 5:11 pm) *
So I'll wait for the "poor riff raff"* that I am meant for and be his soul mate..and hopefully he will make love to me all the time and be a great husband and love my cooking.

I really liked that smile.gif...are there more of you?
Saint
QUOTE (Conquistador @ Oct 16 2007, 10:29 am) *
Sounds to me like the original Craigslist poster is a narcissist, so although Saint is right about who is a realistic target for her, she also wouldn't want to be a stepmother or be with someone unattractive and much older than her.

Exactly My Conquistador. She's a narcisstic, nimkapoot. I found her comments about women who are "less attractive" being "married to rich guys" and how she "can't understand how they did it" very telling. She has t he emotional depth of a teaspoon.

QUOTE (Hutcho @ Oct 16 2007, 12:04 pm) *
Sounds like Saint has put a lot of thought into this subject!

Well I have put alot of thought into why people get married. I have never been married but I have been proposed to three times. All of my sisters have been married and divorced and most of my friends in the States too. I am glad that I have waited and won't marry a man unless we both know it's completely right. This means I also have to accept that I might never get married! Perhaps it's too much to hope for a man who is truly compatible with me, physically, emotionally, spirirtually but I really hope I'll find him.

This whole subject touches a nerve with me because I have had rich men off to "keep" me before. Just two and it was when I was younger and I had never slept with either one of them but the thought was so revolting. I'll never forget the shock of it because I was young and naive. On the flip side I have also been very in love with someone with whom it's just not possible to be with. That's painful.

So yeah, I've given alot of thought to relationships. I think most of us have in one way or another ??

QUOTE (sharpe @ Oct 16 2007, 12:13 pm) *
Did he leave you or you left him?

I left him but it wasn't an ugly break up. After over four years together we had come to the conclusion that we weren't compatible. We grew apart because he was never home. He travelled as a consultant and was gone Mon thru Friday every week. I had a nice life, beautiful flat, maid and I didn't work for 18 months of the relationship. But it was very lonely. Only my son and best friend kept me company during the week.

QUOTE (BattalionBoy @ Oct 16 2007, 12:17 pm) *
Saint before you marry some poor riffraff why don’t you marry some super old bastard like Anna Nicole Smith did so you can get rich. You can always buy him fake Viagra so you wouldn’t have to suffer any crinkly horrible sex with him – even put bromide in his food. Also cook him loads of extra fatty foods and take him on scary high g fair ground rides to kill him off quick.

So how many years do I have to wait for you to be an old geezer? wink.gif

QUOTE (Element2082 @ Oct 16 2007, 1:28 pm) *
I really liked that ...are there more of you?

I think so! I know alot of women who put love before money.
BattalionBoy
QUOTE (Saint @ Oct 16 2007, 2:43 pm) *
So how many years do I have to wait for you to be an old geezer?

Unfortunately too few for my liking Saint but I can’t think of a better way to go though. However, much to your dismay, I would keep a secret stash of real Viagra.
Saint
This woman obviously wants to live a life of some form of "modern" Courtesan. That being, a woman offering pleasure and receiving the benefit of financial and social security that is guaranteed her by a contractual agreement (marriage).

If she had half a brain she would realize that she needs to:

1. Develop her art

Courtesan's were companions to men. Their roll encompassed more than sex. They were to be so adaptive that they learned to love the things that their keeper loved. If it was hunting, then the Courtesan would become an accomplished rider but never eclipsed her male by being better than he. No matter what his hobby was, she had to be good enough at it to impress him but bad enough to make sure he felt superior.

The Courtesan that let her man get bored with her, inevitably lost him to another Courtesan who struck his fancy. The most successful Courtesans knew how to keep a man entertained. They organzed costum balls, theater production, grand parties and orgies etc.

The Courtesan had no real interest of her own UNLESS it served to keep the man happy and interested.

They were also accomplished sex partners. Courtesan's learned skills that wives didn't. Many of them learned techniques that originated in the east (like Tantra) among others and they performed acts that no "self-respecting" (according to the Vicorian Age) wife would perform.

So, how does this translate to today?

This woman wants to sell herself. What is she offering?

First of all. Her looks mean very litte. I am sure there are common prostitutes in in New York City who are more beautiful. She obviously doesn't understand young, rich, men. Why in the hell would a man like that want to marry a prostitute when he can pay 1000 dollars for a night with one of the best, "high-end" prostitutes in the city??!!!

But the stupid girl shouldn't get too down about that because looks mean less to a man than she thinks. Oh, don't get me wrong, men are visual creatures but the best Courtesans in history were not the most beautiful. Even Cleopatra was less beautiful than some of her hand maids. What made a Courtesan successful was her ability to seduce a man. To read him well and know exactly how to push him.

This is what Josephine did to Napolean and what Louise von Salome did to Nietsche (and every other man she came into contact with..she drove one poor soul to suicide). Eva Perón was started off as Juan Perón's kept woman. She then moved into his home but he refused to marry her because of her past as a "wild woman". She seduced him to the point of passionate love and he agreed to marry her when he was inprisoned and realized how much he missed her. Most people don't realize that Evita started off a whore (nothing wrong with that) and ended up a People's Saint.

So, our New York Gold Digger needs to get an education.

OR, she could entertain the thought that there is more to life than money and social status. The next time she watches those "less attractive" women who are married to wealthy men she could give thought to what it means to seek the right things in life, to have ideals and to love a man for who he is and not what he offers. As I am sure that many of these "less beautiful" women that she refers to, have husbands who reciprocate this love. They give what they get: true love, companionship and support.

Maybe she just needs to grow up. Who knows, maybe she is so surrounded by American materialism that she is suffering from arrested emotional development.

Let's wish her well because I guess we all have to grow up and set our priorities eventually.
BattalionBoy
Saint just fix the tart up with one of those rich guys you know.
Scogs
fucking hell Saint...gave up reading war and peace
Saint
QUOTE (BattalionBoy @ Oct 16 2007, 3:19 pm) *
Saint just fix the tart up with one of those rich guys you know.

You mean one of the guys I met when I was younger? No thanks. They were slime balls. I wouldn't want to go within 500 meters of either one of them.

QUOTE (Scogs @ Oct 16 2007, 3:25 pm) *
fucking hell Saint...gave up reading war and peace

Sorry Scogs!! I'm a fast, fluid typer and my words got away from me!
leky
Make sure you get a finders fee too.
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