Applying for a "Niederlassungserlaubnis"

Dear Friends,

Please advise me as it seems I am in some strange situation regarding my Visa:

1) I came to Germany on 20-Nov-2002 on IT-Green-card with 3-months Visa.

2) And on 20-Dec-2002, I got Aufenthaltserlaubnis which was valid till 30-Oct-2007.

Then in Sept-2007, I applied for NE as I thought that I am about to satisfy 5 years stay condition for NE and application process for NE also takes some 4-6 weeks.

But the authorities told me that they can not give NE now because I have not completed 5 years of stay and they have extended my Aufenthaltserlaubnis for 1 more year.

Please share your views in this regards.

Thanks in advance,
Ramsam

reapply after you have been here the 5 years. They are very picky about the dates.

Same happened to me. Bring them proof of every Registration (Anmeldung) and show them every stamp, every permit and every other official document
you can find to proove you have been registered/living/working in Germany since 20-Nov-02. Perhaps they missed one of the permits/stamps in your PP.

You applied in september although the five year requirement was not met until november... you applied 2 months too early.

Gotta love the system.

wait til Nov 20th, not the 19th, but the 20th, as DDBug and I know, they are picky about dates.

In my experience, if you pay enough taxes it's impossible to get thrown out. For awhile they were sending me gentle reminders, asking if it wasn't too much trouble for me to stop by and get my new extension.

Dear Friends

Thankyou very much for your support.

I'm just about to go to the KVR and apply for my Niederlassungserlaubnis (unlimited residence/work permit), but I have no idea what I need for this?

I know that both residence and work permit are in the same place now (KVR) and I have been on to the different websites, but in terms of evidence, I have no idea what I need. Previously, I have brought a completed Work Permit form signed by my company but I do not think I need this anymore because I want an unlimited work permit too (I've been here 6 years and working for that long for the same company).

So, for anyone who has done this recently, like Ramsam, what kind of supporting paperwork did you need?

Thanks for the help!

I did it in the spring, and they will give you paper work to fill out, and you need passphoto, and 3 months pay slips, rental contract and a smile. Was painless, but you have to ask everything... oh, and you have to pay 50% upfront, before they process the paperwork.

Hmmm, rental contract is the problem. I wonder what they accept as proof of home ownership? And I have to take more pictures...ugh.
I will just give them my old pictures...nothing's changed...OK, OK, I have more wrinkles, but not many.

Dear kitkat64,

Please have a look on this link:

http://trust7faq.wik.is/Visa/Niederlassung...nent_Residence)

Regards

Thanks Carm and ramsam - the link answered most of my questions. I guess I will just give them a copy of the mortgage agreement with the bank instead of the rental agreement.

Thank you!!!

That might not be enough, the link ramsam gave mentions 'Grundbuchauszug', which is an extract from the state record of property ownership. You may have been provided a copy by the builder or previous owner that you bought the house from.

Thanks Guy, I just emailed my boyfriend asking him if we have this or do I have to go to the Rathaus to get it? I hope we have it.

Now if I can just find my Anmeldungs paper from when I moved from München to Unterschleissheim - I know I have that somewhere...

I will be so happy when all this is done with and I never have to do it again.

Getting a copy of the Grundbuch shouldn't be a problem. You should be able to get it from the Rathaus or at least they will tell you which "Amt" and where it is ,to get it. It may even be called the Grundbuchamt, I've done it before and it just costs some money, can't remember how much, but I don't think it's a fortune. You can get a copy of the your anmeldung from the Rathaus as well, don't forget to take your passport.

How much does it cost??

I have some questions: I came to Germany as a student during which I worked as a Work Student - paid taxes, pension etc. and I had Aufenthalterlaubnis. Will this period be counted??

@zimmer - that question has already been asked somewhere before and answered too on one of these other topics.

A colleague of mine told me that the Grundbuchauszug should be somewhere in the paperwork that my boyfriend and I have on our house. I know I have the Anmeldungs paper at home...somewhere...luckily, I'm not under too much pressure to get it all done. I want to go Friday and get it overwith.

I did not have to pay 50% upfront for them to process it... I did pat 5 Eur or so for the Rathaus people to pass it to the Main KVR people though.
In the end I believe the total price was around 50 Eur. + 5 Eur for the handeling, which I could have done myself but didn't have time.
When everything was done, then they requested payment.

From cases I know (not very recent, though), it is counted.
But there appears to be some sort of limit as to how much study time they take into account.
Not sure about the details, though.

i had the same problem but was lucky enough that they did it anyway. I went 2 days before the date in my passport. They said I have to come back in 2 days, but after discussing with them, they decided to do it.

I was at the visa office today and they told me that student visa will be halved i.e. if I was here for 3 years as a student, they will count it as 1.5 years i.e. I will need to accumulate another 3.5 years (work) visa = 5 years before I can apply for a Niederlassungserlaubnis.

Good news is, they gave me a "Beschaeftigung erlaubt" and was told that this means that I am allowed to work in any company anywhere in Germany. No longer bounded by my job position and current company. WOO-HOO!!

Congrats!

Latest update: If you live outside of Munich proper - like in Unterschleissheim, Oberschleissheim, etc - Landkreis München, you must go to the Landratsamt München in Mariahilfsplatz.

They, of course, have a different set of requirements for Niederlassungserlaubnis.
1) the application - a blue form that you must get from your own Rathaus (for me, Unterschleissheim)
2) your Anmeldung - it must not be older than 4 weeks (you can't use the form you received 6 weeks ago when you moved to wherever you live - it can't be older than 4 weeks
3) your last 3 paychecks
4) Arbeitgeberbestätigung - from your company saying that you have a job
5) a copy of your rental contract OR the kaufvertrag from your house (if you have one)

So, slightly different to the standard procedure for people who live within Munich city limits.

I should be picking up my Niederlassungserlaubnis next week. I live outside Munich and the responsible office is Ebersberg. I went at the beginning of November. I had all my paperwork, got dressed smart and the office said it would be done in about 4-6 weeks. I got a letter from them 2 weeks ago saying it was processed BUT for some reason it couldn't be finalized in Ebersberg immediately. I had to go - in person - to Ebersberg and leave my passport with them. They asked if I wanted to pick it up or have it delivered to the Gemeinde, and I chose the latter (obviously b/c it's closer). The permit will cost me EUR 85, which I have to pay at the Gemeinde when I pick it up.

I saw the other post here, but does anyone have a website that lists the benefits of having a Niederlassungserlaubnis?

Cheers,
JumpmanPro

The most important benefit is that I will never have to go back to that stupid KVR/Landratsamt place again to renew a work permit or residence permit.

And I can switch jobs any time I want without having to apply for a new work permit.

I was just on another website and the topic was the "Niederlassungserlaubnis-Daueraufenthalt EG". I think it allows you to live and work within the EU (minus UK, Ireland and Denmark). Does anyone have this type? Do you have to request it or is it automatically issued with all permanent residence permits now?

The Niederlassungserlaubnis-Daueraufenthalt EG is a separate permit and must be requested (and paid for) separately.
And should you choose to move/work in another EU country for more than 180 days your German Niederlassungserlaubnis
will be voided and you will need to request a new living/work permit with the new country your staying/working in.

Pleae have a look:

http://trust7faq.wik.is/Visa/Daueraufenthalt_EG

Regards,

Just picked up my new Niederlassungserlaubnis from the Gemeinde. It states "Erwerbstätigkeit gestattet" in very, very small letters and "§ 9 AufenthG". Paid €85 for it. Time to find a new job.

JumpmanPro

Congratulations JumpmanPro!

I picked mine up last week. It cost me the same however, I had to pay an extra 20€ for the Fiktionsbescheinigung which is the temporary permit you get if your residence permit expires while you are waiting for the Niederlassungserlaubnis.

So, one more tip: make sure you apply for the Niederlassungserlaubnis at least 2 months before your current permit expires or you will have to pay this extra 20€ for a temporary permit.

I just got mine aboot a month ago as well. Paid 55€ for it. The process was actually extremely simple and I was in and out of the KVR in less than 30mins. Record time.

I had to wait 6 weeks for mine - it wasn't approved on the spot...of course, I was out at the Landratsamt, not the KVR because I live in Kreis München, not München.

Same here. It took about 4 weeks for the Landratsamt Ebersberg to process mine.

Has anyone actually been successful at getting theirs any earlier than 5 years?

They're very strict on the 5 years. I tried to get mine earlier and had to wait, even though I'd lived in Germany for extended periods twice before.

So not much hope

Hello,

Can anyone guide with rules regarding Niederlassungserlaubnis

I have stayed here on residence permit for 3.5 years. for first 3 years i paid income tax
but no social security because i was on payroll of a foreign company.

Now for last half year i am on a local company payroll.so pay income tax and social security and will do so in future.

Will they give me Niederlassungserlaubnis after next 1.5 years , considering i have stayed for 5 years.

3 years (foreign contract) + 2 years (LOcal contract)

The 5 years has to be continuous and unbroken. During this time you are required to pay tax and into the social system.
Suggest you contact your local Landratsamt for more info specifically for your case. Everybodys different and the info you get
here may not work for you.