If God created everything

Christianity answers the question of who created God in the very first verse of the very first book, Genesis:

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1)

This verse tells us that God was acting before time when He created the universe. Many other verses from the New Testament tells us that God was acting before time began, and so, He created time, along with the other dimensions of our universe:

* No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. (1 Corinthians 2:7)
* This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time (2 Timothy 1:9)
* The hope of eternal life, which God... promised before the beginning of time (Titus 1:2)
* To the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen. (Jude 1:25)

more here:
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/w...reated_god.html

"Oh no, not again." - A bowl of Petunias.

More here.

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZT! To the back of the class with you!

So what happened before, "before time began"? Who created the time "before time began"?

Well, before all that there was an infinitely small particle which contained all the energy and the mass of the universe and then it exploded big time and then you can take it from there.

You saw that ? ( sounded as if you did ).
But I know what you mean.

For something to explode, it needs time.(even a pico second).
That means time already exists.
So God was there before that.
Sorry to burst your bubble.

I created god.

I speak the truth.

No you did not! I did

Who created you though?

Don Riina...the Creator of all.

Threads like this won't help you convert anyone either - if this is one of your favoured "methods".

You'll just be shot down and the lack of logic of your god will be exposed...

I created Eleanor Rigby.

I speak the truth.

EDIT: Dang, you people are quick.

Bastard!

No, *I* created Eleanor Rigby and so did my wife!

I created a really bad smell

@Tom17: When you were six?!

Make up your minds guys.

Without parents, kids cannot be there.

But that was after the last beer!!!

You are obviously not jerkingly rocking your head backwards and forwards enough while reciting the scriptures ad nauseum otherwise you would not ask these questions about god.

You can't use the bible as evidence, it is not a factual document. It doesn't tell you tickety boo about anything

Never mind that, who created Birmingham and what on Earth were they thinking?

The German version of Genesis certainly looks informative. Whether or not it gets to tickety boo levels is beyond me though.

Mods: seems we need a forum for "Religious Chat."

I would just like to add this quote:


Edit: I think that sums it up beautifully!

Your parents must be very proud.

Edit: 6yo! We are all proud of Tom17 and his wife. OR was it a virgin birth?

Motion seconded. But how would you stop the anti-religious bigots here at TT from displaying their ignorance on the threads? No need for me to name them...just wait for their replies on this thread...or read the ones already posted...you know who you are. Face it - the majority of TTer's just aren't mature enough to discuss religious topics (or most other topics) with any sincerity. Motion withdrawn.

How is it in the way in miscellaneous chat?

I guess you'd have to live with it...you know, it is the internet, and as much as you'd love to be able to hide in there with your fingers in your ears, it is an open forum. You're allowed to dribble your ignorant religious beliefs all throughout the forum, why do you think you deserve special dispensation from it happening the other way around?

God forbid!!!

See, it didn't take long for them to show up.

Pot, kettle?

@Badbob, are you going to answer why you think you deserve a special section where people can't debate your beliefs like in any other part of the forum?

I am not "antireligious", I am just not a fan of "organized religions",as they are more corrupt than "organized crime". The reason for that is that people in "organized religions", turn and twist things around to benefit them for example financially and that is not what religion is all about.

I did not create God.

I merely created The Big Bang and my legs have never been the same ever since.

Spewing your hate speech isn't exactly what one would call part of any debate. It's very childish, not surprising considering your immaturity though.

You still haven't answered the question.
It's only hate speech because you hate hearing the words of reason, you prefer to be told the "truth"

No, you just attack people when serious topics come up. Baby.

Can you answer his question BadBob? Please?

This is not hate speech.

@BadBob: I'd be interested in your answer to Timmehs question!

Still haven't answered my question.
Your serious topic is my joke thread. Live with it.

My answer is "Motion withdrawn" - as stated above. Although, I think a forum devoted to religious topics or spirituality would be interesting for a lot of reasons, but the atheists, agnostics here would ruin it. They prefer to attack things and people that they don't understand, instead of trying to understand and make relevent comments or ask intelligent questions about the topic. It is better to just discuss these things on another website, dedicated to such topics, with moderators who wouldn't put up with these snipers.

depends what religion we're talking about really. this is pure judeo-christian-muslim centric. probably the worst religions ever for breeding fanatics, genocide, death destruction and ignorance ever.

Me I'm Toa... If there is a god I'll find out when I get there and tell him that he needs to rebrand.

I am not religious at all, but the man's got a point. Anything remotely related to Christianity on TT gets trampled by a stampeding herd of elephants every single time. You might be better off discussing this stuff somewhere else...

I am not an atheist or an agnostic but those who are, have their own belief system. Just because they do not believe in the same thing as you do does not mean that they do not understand you. In this world, usually the fundamentalist religionists do not have any tolerance for anything that exists outside their realm. They are like the mafia, you are either with them or you are out.


Which site is that? Born again religion sites?

You see, people bring their preconcieved notions and prejudices with them into such discussions.

Why would an atheist want to jump into a thread about something he doesn't believe in anyway? What could he contribute? - Nothing. Like I said, they just want to attack. You don't see me jumping into threads about Cricket.

The concept of God is truly beyond our mortal comprehension. He exists in a multi-dimensional transcendental spiritual world that we access when our soul leaves our physical being after our mortal body ceases to function. He is the creator of the infinite cosmos and has always existed however the concept of time or even distance as we know them have no so much meaning to God. Where or how God came into being is truly a great mystery for us. However I imagine he came into being as a result of the conditions and environment in which God exists much like how life on earth spontaneously came about.

Being a practicing athiest, I have no interest in discussing religion, nor would I even care to ask any questions about it.

That's not an attack, that's just boredom.

No, they bring their experiences into the discussions.


Few are born atheists, a lot of atheists have given up religion for various reasons. It is nice to hear from an atheist to understand where he is coming from. By the way children of really strict religious families usually turn out to be atheists.

I know what you mean. For a long while now, I've wanted a sub forum on Elves and Fairies, where people could get together and ask intelligent questions and make relevant comments about their experiences with these magical creatures. However, I also fear though I would be attacked by people who just don't understand and are not willing to take our discussions seriously!