Why do Irish and Scots support anyone but England?

So, i'm sat in an alehouse i that i do frequent and watching England fight their way to a victory over Samoa, in the company of like minded people.

There ya go, it's all cool and the result goes the right way from my perspective.

Now here's the downside, and i know we have discussed this before but there maybe other opinions that can make a difference?

Sat round the corner from us in said hostelry were several Irishmen who were cheering on anything that England's opponents could muster.

Now, everyone is entitled to their opinion and allegiance but, i have to ask again, why is it that i've been sat in the same pub supporting Ireland and Wales and there is clearly no return on that?

Not looking for intellectual property type answers, i suppose in a way it should be in THe Vent.

The answer is clearly simple, Dave: Nobody likes the English.

We like you though, so chin up old bean.

When I lived in Scotland I had absolutely no problem with anti Englishness. There was defiantly a general anti Englishness when the football or rugby was on but it tended to be good humoured windup. The scots tend to save their real hatred for when the Celtic v Rangers games are on. I'm not joking.

Simple answer: 800 years.

Right, fuckin Huns, hate them.

You can laugh but I've sat in a Glasgow pub when an old firm game was on and I heard things I really can't believe human beings would say about each other.

Because we love banter, basically.

And after being sat with an England fan wearing a Romanian top this week, one of ours in a Samoan one is fair exchange.

Will say that the fans I sit with are fair and will cheer for good moves from any side.
Crikey, I'd love therefore for us all to have something to cheer my team for today...

Its hardly unique to Scotland and Ireland. Last Scot v England game I saw in a pub in a posh part of London and all the Aussies and Saffers were cheering on Scotland too and sticking a finger up at you sassenachs.

In fact I'm prepared to bet most of the world would support anyone but England! Certainly the world that used to be pink on the map!

Probably similar reasons to why you wont support France... and as Jamie implied, there is a fair bit to forgive yet

I (not a rugby fan but still applies) supported France in the world cup final funny enough (after we had made our usual early exit of course), why? Because a bunch of old men were showing the youngsters how it goes and the football was brilliant, I’m England till I die but I do support Eire Scotty land and Wales because it’s the right thing to do IMHO, what a dream to have all four in the semi-finals! ,I even give the Germans my backing when the game is right , But Bluedave is right nobody wants England to win I guess they just cant stand the English winning but its ok I can take it and when we do eventually win then its all the more sweeter
And as for the thread from� dustpuppy “ dear oh dear oh dear ..Who’s racist?

I had considered just writing "ahem" in response but I'll flesh it out - I'll bet you'll find the Irish/Scots crowd that does not support England is round about the same proportion as English folks who support anyone playing Germany ... and in my opinion for much the same reason.

how about the British Isles football / rugby team could it work ? ( we could finaly get a decent keeper at the very least )
@ thanks Yorkie Im not a rugby follower but I ll try and keep up

It's called The Lions and it works every 4 years!

u must mean the english, welsh and irish lions!

to be fair, and not for the first time, i have the same opinion about wales. i dont know, i just cant bring myself to support them. interested to know if this is a common scots/irish thing? most people i know wont support wales either.

I get wound up about England, cause of the media coverage I guess, you can have all the home nations in a contest and you'll hardly hear about anyone other than England. I guess it's normal cause of the size of population but it's hard to take the whole En-ger-land thing getting stuffed down your throat.

With Wales out, Scotland losing tonight and Ireland tomorrow, I guess this all becomes a matter of sour grapes gripes now.

I think the reason alot of people don't support them, is because they are always so cocky, if they win, you hear about it forever, if they lose they can't just be gracious loosers and accept that a game is a game and someone has to loose, they blame the defeat on anyone but themselves.

The second thing is, when they go to other countries, like Germany last year, they cause so much trouble, its actually disgusting, and they are so proud of it, they have a very poor reputation abroad, and they do nothing to help it.

I have nothing against English personally but i think when it comes to football that alot of them are the biggest shower of wankers (only for the reasons mentioned above)

and it's not a dislike against the actuall football team it's beacause of the hooligans associated with the team and the amount of trouble they cause.

well...that time that in Cornwall they didn't accept my pounds because it was written on them "bank of scotland", I opened my eyes...
are you surprised because the celtic people don't like the anglo-SAXONS?

Has nothing to do with scotland. it has to do with the fact that you have to take em to a bank to get them changed into coins that other customers will accept as scottish notes are so rare peoeple are not sure if they are genuine.

Damm Italy just lost that.

A vast generalization. Let's make similiar generalizations about other nationalities, shall we? Or shall we stop such racist crap now?

I have no comment on the supporting of various teams over others but I do agree 110% with the aforementioned vast generalisation. I've English friends who say exactly the same thing about their own too.

110% is a physical impossibility.

Having *enjoyed* the evening in a well know ex pat pub, I find it hilarious that English continue to feel hard done by the home nations. Every England fan I encountered tonight cheered Italy multiple times. Fine, it gave me a buzz to be honest. But no englishman should moan about it when the rest of the Isles cheer on ABE.

It's not racist, it's the way they conduct themselves abroad that does get them this reputation, and as i said before i know not all English people behave that way, so therefor i don't find that to be a generalisation.

To Schotte, yeah i am Scottish

Yeah i know, they get so worked up about it, yeah my msn is sazzy_princess@hotmail.co.uk, i'm from a town outside Glasgow. How long have you been in Munich?

P.S

you should empty your inbox

A Paddy walking through a field sees a man drinking water from a pool with his hand.
The Paddy shouts "Na ol an t-uisce, ta sé lan de chac bo". (Don't drink the water, it's full of cowsh * t.)

The man shouts back "I'm English. Speak English, I don't understand you".

The Paddy shouts back "Use both hands, you'll get more in".

Without wanting to generalise, what amuses me about the short-arsed, white skinned, gum decaying, ginger haired and rather ugly people from north of the border is that they are so jealous of their southern cousins.

I'm 6'4 and has been a while since ive seen a ginger.

politely fuck off!!!

you are right though, im jealous of baldie little bastards with cockney or other chav accents who are hated the world over and are frankly the most ill mannered people one could come across. tally ho.

even the german commentry for the rugby commented today on how australians hate poms. i bet aussies have lots to be jealous of you sassenachs as well, NOT!!!

and are colour blind and lack a sense of humour.

Schotte, you've been doing well recently, don't let yourself down eh?

i did actually put a smilie face before your post dave.

thanks to the mod who removed it. very helpful.

On my website it says called me ENGLISH NOT BRITISH...if i have to fill out forms, i cross out where it says British and put English...I was born in a country called England not Britain...hate it when people called me British...Each time i write to the DVLA i put taffy (hate the welsh, just as much as they hate us)...Scots...dont get me started, im a Sheff Wed fan, biggest rivals are the Sheff Utd team, but if i saw one in trouble in a foreign country i would help...if they were Scottish i would laugh and walk past...hate the frogs and the argies too. On the back of my car, by law i have to have a GB sticker, but it aint as big as my ENG red n white sticker...

I might shag a frog bird if shes hot (a chick is a chick as long as it aint a minger) but the frogs hate us too...they hate me at the mcdonalds at Dunkirk...but i find them as nice as a shit in a hot tub

Hate the Oz too, they hate us...no probs. i can live with that.

Yanks i can get on with, even though most of them i have met are pretty stupid, Krauts...i like em, i didnt used too, infact i used to hate them more than anyone, to a point if i saw them in old blighty i would do a nazi salute and give them hell, that was until i dated one, and the family took to, i even told them about my hatred to them for 35 years, but then changed my mind, which they were fine about. Out of the few hundred i have met, only have a couple of bad run ins, with some skin heads in Cottbus and the odd bar in Dresden.

Back to jocks and sheep shaggers, wouldnt piss on em if they were on fire!

Jebus, what an ass-hole. Not very original the insults are they? You really must try harder.

When you say "they" are you talking about English men in general, English football supporters, all English sports fans, English working class, the BNP?

Good that Advance Australia Fair was written by a Scot...
We might well lose our next match, but you lot are going to get fucked over badly. Who's got an Australian shirt I can borrow?

BTW Vicar, if you read the post from the twat above, then i think my "generalisation" would be justified.

BTW Sheffield thingy or whatever the hell your name is, i couldn't be arsed reading it, are you just going into high school this term, or do you need to be kept back a year for your lack of maturity.

Get a sense of humour and grow up for fuck sake.

Have a nice day all

Nope, because you're grouping a lot of nice English people with the "twat". The danger being that when Mr Nice Englishman goes out for a drink he might just get beaten up for just being English. People should be treated on a individual basis and not judged by their nationality. End of sermon.

However I would agree with you that it was spiteful load of old cobblers by Mr Sheffield, designed no doubt to wind people up.

He he, are we now. Looking at the last performances of both respective teams it could go down to the wire again. Aus have been praticing drop goals. And yep your going to get tranched. Filleted and hung out to dry. Scots keep the rugby shirt industry in the black.

As for screaming for Italy, all psrt of the fun. I realy dont see the need to show support to other home nationals anymore, especialy when I can wind them up instead...

Less of the "nice" please sunshine or you're asking for a fat lip.

When it comes to the other home nations I have to admit my support runs along these lines:

1. Ireland - I will normally support them as a 2nd team. I have some irish roots and I like their attitude to life, rugby, drinking etc.

2. Wales - bloody hate them on the rugby pitch. Would support any team playing the Welsh. Fiji are my latest heroes.

3. Scotland. Errrrrrrrrrr. Generally I just feel pity, like a wounded dog that needs putting out of it's misery. Always amazes if they beat anyone, ever.

funny never count the irish in my must now cheer against list. i"m personaly gutted at how shite they have been this wrc. i may also break tradition and scream for the french.

I was talking about myself, at least.

Well done for eventually catching on that we don't need nor want English support and that its only England who goes on about not getting it from other people. Seen any other home nation bring up the subject? I brought it up last night in response to this thread, thats all. I much prefer not having it, makes when we crap all over you even better, and even when we don't, well, we're a tenth your size so bothered.

have you no morals???

the english change with the wind!!

Who do you actualy crap over though? You rested your full team and still couldnt get a try against italy. SFRU biggest joke in the game at the mo and their own worse enemy. Cant even fill your own stadium on a world cup game. Never mind. I only support Italy to wind kathrina and seb up. They will be ebaying AUS shirts right this minute i"m sure... I shall be making t-shirts with the only difference between the falklands and scotland is the english want to keep one of them...

comisserations to ireland.

return the favour for the last world cup...

nice one on the tshirts. frankly i'd rather have a couple of beers than some crud tshirt everyone is just going to look at you and think "tit".

dont get your last post, seemed pretty boring anyway.

anyone who's scottish that is. which is the desired effect, and to be quiet frank as if i give a damm. maybe we should just swap the malvinas for scotland straiht off, doubt anybody would notice the difference. apart from scotland suddenly being able to play rugby, that is.

the return favour is for the french screaming for england in the final. not quiet sure if they bought beers though ;-)

You know the problem with Britain??

It`s above sea level...