Offensive Italians at the Oktoberfest

And to the knights in armour: I would be really curious, how you guys would behave if you
just make a short trip to a BeerFest, drinking loads of beer and being surrounded by girls that
are barely dressed and, in most of the cases, not behaving themselves like princesses, I would say ...
And then come on open your eyes, how many girls go there just have some fun and flirt with some random guy ...
This again doesn't justify any SERIOUS sexual harassment to a girl, and if i would see someone really misbehaving with my girlfriend
of course I would intervene, maybe just kissing her and show the stupid that there is no way ... and keep the situation cool
Everybody posting about sexual arasement, when 99% we are talking about this stupid and sometimes embarassing italian flirt flirt behaviour ...
For the remaining 1% of potentially dangerous situations for girls, I can bet whatever that Italians are not on first place ...
guaranteeeeed!

Tell me something. How the hell does a woman act like a princess?
I guess you are telling us that women who go to fest are all like whores? Good grief.
Italians are famous for groping. Visit Italy and you will have your buttcheeks pinched in nanoseconds. It does not matter if you are wearing a short skirt, long skirt, loose pants or tight pants.

Based on what exactly?

"Tell me something. How the hell does a woman act like a princess? "
By being a Media Whore, getting in a Mercedes, with a greasy midget and a hopped up driver and being spread across a French tunnel?

LMAO @ Seaking.

And that mentaility sir, is exactly why Italians ARE a problem at the Oktoberfest! Keep up the fantasy mate.

Eloquently put maddul.

Yes sir, i know and what I am just trying to say that this mentality doesn't led automatically to become a REAL
danger to anyone. And don't tell me that you habe see most of italians grabbing boops and asses, most of them will go for sure
for girls with stupid comments and given the inhabilty of english-speaking (as you can see) not more than that. This flirty flirty wathever
you can judge it as you want, but i don't think this should be regarded as a major problem. I would say to a girl going to a girl going next weeken to wiesn,
be prapered to meet a lot of italians, most of them will look at you as the last girl on earth and will make some stupid comment on you and try to hook you in any possible way.
Just don't give them too much space if you don't want to and just shout at them IF they are taking to much freedom.
If you find a nice group of italians be sure that you will have great time ... because they know how to party properly. Don't have prejudices ...

from oktoberfest.de:
"It’s hard to believe that the Schottenhamel tent, which in 1867 was just a small beer booth with 50 seats, has become the largest Wiesn tent with circa 10,000 seats. The Schottenhamel is the favorite hunting ground for Munich’s young people who meet there to drink and party".
"Mainly frequented by the younger crowd. A stylish sekt (sparkling wine) bar lends the Hippodrom a special flair. It is also highly recommendable for singles, as the flirt factor is one of the highest at the Wiesn."

so looks like flirting is a part of the game, or not?

BTW, i really got to know a lot of people during the last three wiesn, girls, guys, oomas and opas, german, americans, aussies, italians and whatever ... always had great time and never took any freedom to bother a girl apart from talking, cheering, partying ... And i am really the first one to laugh at stupid italians trying (with no hope) to hook a girl, but i never saw something potentially dangerous, sorry i stick on this point ... Only dangerous situation was last year when a nice guy from Boston and his girlfriend, both living in MUC), completely drunk and falling all the time, refused to get out of the tent and bothered us for more few hours, and finally menaged to fall and (by accident) crasching his maß agains my friend's nose ... The result was a broken nose!
But that's just about drinking, so i assume is not dangerous and well tollerated, right? and don't tell me is an isolated case ...

Habediehere !!!

radiation, you do realise that groping and inappropriate potentially dangerous behaviour does occur? Several times I've had my breasts grabbed, my skirt lifted up, my bum spanked and on one occasion was even pinned against the wall with the guy licking my neck while I was waiting for the bathroom and only let go after stomping really hard on the guys foot.

I've met nice Italians too who I shared a dance and a mass with but all of the above were also Italians so you can't say it doesn't go beyond innocent flirting.

Come on, i just ment that you should admitt that there are also a lot of girls,
that are just hoping to flirt with someone (or more ...). Of course this doesn't justify any misbehaviour ...

"Visit Italy and you will have your buttcheeks pinched in nanoseconds" ... come on don't watch movies, visit Italy once ... it takes at least 5 minutes ...
"It does not matter if you are wearing a short skirt, long skirt, loose pants or tight pants". of course not, cause apparently you don't wear any shirt ...

Here you state your point.


Here your contradiction. Why should a woman be worried to not give someone "much space", or think she is in fact doing so, given the fact that she too is there to have a few mass, and italians as you say are not at all dangerous? And just how much is "much space" in drunk italian mentality terms that is?


Conditio sine que non, it seems, italians take for granted as open free pans of hunting grounds for harrassing intoxicated women to the point it becomes offensive.
Ah yes, logic at its finest form there.


Of coarse if you ignore something then it doesnt exist. Perfect sense once again. Must be something typically italian that I cant comprehend. Like omerta'.
Have fun at the Wies'n mate.

Quite a lot of serious convictions being held on this thread - perhaps a few TT'ers should stage an anti-Italian demonstration at the Wies'n this weekend and see if the locals support it.

I visited Venice with my father when I was in 9th grade (around 13 years old) we were walking arm and arm down the street and I was wearing an admittedly shortish skirt when without my even fully comprehending what happened an old Italian man on a bicycle (!) rode by and managed to put his hands up my skirt, reach inside my panties and almost managed to insert his finger into my butt! He was long gone before I could even speak a word I was so shocked, my father asked if he had pinched my butt but I was too flabberghasted even to respond.

I've already this Oktoberfest had an Italian swinging a beer bottle at me (he missed) after I removed his hands from one of his female victims. I don't like to generalize, but the Italian Oktoberfest crowd does seem very willing to show off its behavioral problems.

In Venice, I had my buttcheeks pinched walking down the street.
In Milano, guys were trying to rub their palms on my butt.
What does wearing a shirt have to do with groping? No, I did not walk down the street naked if that's what you meant.
EDIT: Warning: Don't ever get on a bus in Venice. Men will try to grab your butt on the bus. I guess they think since the woman can't run away, they can get away with everything.

@ Radition

You seem to think that having a feel is a bit of harmless fun.

So how would you feel if i, as a male walked up to you,
slip my hand down the front of your lederhosen
and gave your little fella a quick fiddle??

Would you react calmly and say "please don't do that"?

I don't think so.

But hey, i'm drunk and it's the octoberfest so its ok is'nt it?

Of course I realize it ... I didn't say it's just "innocent" flirting, but in most of the cases i still note dangerous ... What you experienced and described above, and I am not at all justifing this behaviour, is as much dangerous as having a maß crasched on your nose? Of course this guy should have been trown out of the tent, but do you think he would have raped you there? I am sure i would get into troubles if i would see someone behaving like that, just to explain myself i don't think is normal ... I am trying to say that during oktoberfest there many other things that can be classified as dangerous and not for sure having
to cope with bunch of stupid italians ... And actually you menaged pretty well, the stomp on the foot is always a good move ... I would define dangerous if some nice behaving guy is poisoning your beer with whatever drug to make you stunned, like actually happened last year to a girlfriend of mine, now that i recall. BTW the guy was not italian and was just by chance that we could have helped her ...

can you see a bit my point?

Here is an idea. Send some Turkish guys over to the Italian tent. In approximately 5 to 10 mins a big fight will break out and everyone will be hospitalized. Problem solved.

Here's an idea, try and put the preconceptions to the back of your mind, go along, have a drink, come home. If a problem comes up, deal with it appropriately and without prejudice. I always find that walking into something like the 'fest with a head full of preconceived ideas only ever leads to more trouble.

And my 2c? Only had two problems of any kind at Wies'n, both times with Germans. Perhaps those cunts should be banned along with the Italians, Americans, Kiwis, Aussies and Swiss. In fact why just move the whole fucking thing to Brixton and be done with it?

That italians do infact harras and molest women at the oktoberfest, but of coarse are gentlemen enough to offer them drinks as opposed to spiking their drink and raping them in broad daylight?
Hmmm. Good point sir!

radiation, it would be wise of you to look up the definitions of "flirting" and "molesting". I did my share of flirting yesterday and had a great time, so did the guys. But not one of them thought it appropriate to grab my boobs (except Scogs and he's allowed to) just because I let them into my personal space.

By the way, they were all foreigners: Two Austrians, a Scotsman, five Northern Irishmen and a Preiß.

Telling them you're a nun works even better.


Happened to me once in Milan, too. The perps were wearing Celtic gear and speaking English, though.

Unfortunately, I fear the people who really need to beware here are not reading the forum. That is, young women who think it would be exciting to dress in the shortest skirt and lowest top possible and hit the tents, now that they're 16 and can drink beer legally. I wouldn't allow my teenaged daughter to go out the door at Oktoberfest time without a strict lecture on going in a group, not losing your friends or letting them get lost, and going to the loo in pairs (and going in the tents instead of the outside loos.)

Gentlemen, in regards to the harrassment and wading in where you're perhaps not wanted issue: before you come to the rescue, it's nice to ask the woman in question whether she's bothered or not, if it's not obvious. If you can manage to extricate her without a fight, let security know where the problem is. They'll keep an eye on rowdy groups who have been pointed out to them.

Out of all these replies, that's the only one that really touched my heart. Great reply, thanks made your post much better.
If i am here on this thread is maybe cause i really like to talk, that is the opposite of omertà. But yes you are right, we are all mafiosi in italy.

I believe you'd get your ass kicked doing that around here.

You are not mafiosi. You are M.A.C.H.O all the way.

LOL ...

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Telling them you're a nun works even better.
Happened to me once in Milan, too. The perps were wearing Celtic gear and speaking English, though.

That definetely proves that he was not italian ...

Somehow I knew someone would have played the m-card soon when talking about Italians. Very easy scapegoat.
I could go on as to how and why that was clearly not what was intended in my post but that would I guess, at this point, be rhetoric, and quite frankly I really don't care.
Vitia nostra regionum mutatione non fugimus.
Have a nice day.

I think the easiest thing would be for all Italians to wear an armband so that they can be easily identified at a distance and isolated from all the other impeccably behaved people - afterall this is Oktoberfest and we need to keep the sliminess and corruption to a minimum. I will e-mail Gauleiter Giesler and let you know what he thinks.

Good idea JW - perhaps wear an armband, and not allow them to walk on the sidewalk, thus keeping them away from the aryans, I mean locals.

i think I know the difference, but here nobody wants really to see the point ...

All Italians are milkmen at heart. They just need to find the road to Killeshandra, that's all.

@jimbo
I like your proactive attitude, but it doesn't solve the problem inside the tents. What about tents just for the Italians? That way they can keep to themselves and fondle themselves from morning to night and Oktoberfest will be 100% incident free.

Ja, ja, Benito aber you sure haf zee sillier trousers.

don't worry,
frankly I also don't care, was just pushing down your nice argomentations ...

In vino veritas

aya, Adolfo, I donna fancy yours mucha.

Adolf's actually saying: "Ja, ja - next time you vant to make an unvelcome advance, how about you try Poland instead of my vife?"

And JW, nice idea, but instead of tents why don't we make it more permanent - kind of like, I don't know, a camp filled with huts, and since they're a clean nation at heart install some showers for them too.

We could have a final Oktoberfest just north of Munich...

Hmmm, kind of Endloesung der Italienfrage?

Indeed! The Italian question

Yer only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!

(might be mixing my metaphors a bit here)

Right, stop this silliness - everybody else was having a nice racist debate.

I assume the yanks will turn up for the Oktoberfest around the end of next week then?

Please stop being right. It messes up my entire world view.

I hate myself for loving you, Jimbo. I really do.

ps - am actually starting to think there's something wrong with me: I spent almost two weeks in Italy a while back without being touched inappropriately and have never been groped at the Wiesn. Okay well I've never been groped at the Wiesn by anybody I didn't want to be groped by and that does include the 20-year-old Australian cutie a couple of years back. But anyway.

Edit: and actually I think that might have been me groping him. Oops.

Got any Italian in you?

*somebody else do the punchline - I'm off out for a smoke and a spot of shopping*

I can see the idea behind this thread. Let all the girls think they must only look out for Italians so they drop their guard with all the others. Makes a lot of sense.

Exactly, yourself included. What quite a few Italians at the Oktoberfest see as flirting I see as molestation. And being on the receiving end I draw attention to it and react accordingly.

Ugh, would you rather be groped by Mussolini or Hitler, or have good old down-home don_riina-esque goat-sex?

Isn't there also sheep sex recommended by Timmeh?

Already here, sadly. We sat next to a charming bunch on first Saturday who, when not yelling at each other like some sort of fucking gangsta types, were ordering beer at a crazy rate and some of them, the young and stupid, trying to drink it at that rate. They went quiet around 14:00, the first one threw up at 14:30, they all left shortly afterwards, surely some sort of record? They left a table full of untouched beer, too

Just out of curiosity, since everyone is making sweeping generalizations, what nationalities behave well at Oktoberfest?