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Catholic church wants to cancel the MTV awards

...because the date falls on a "quiet" holiday

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Hazza
According to the news (which I could only find in German), the Catholic church here in Munich are against the MTV music awards being held, because it will take place on 1 November, a "quiet" religious holiday.

Winfried Röhmel, a church spokesman who you may remember was very outspoken about MTV's show, "Popetown" (and obviously has far too much time on his hands) said "Der Tag ist nicht frei, damit man da eine Party feiern kann" - translated "You don't get this day off to party".

Another smart move by the church...Way to turn young people off religion.

Related topic: MTV Europe Music Awards 2007 come to Munich
sarabyrd
QUOTE (sarabyrd @ Sep 13 2007, 4:23 pm) *
The Catholic church is demanding that the event is canceled as 1 November is All Saints and a high Catholic holiday, one of the days where loud music and dancing in public places are still banned (same as e.g. Good Friday). They are doing this to distract from the latest paedophile scandal in Riekofen to uphold the Catholic identity of Munich and Bavaria.

City hall is insisting that as the event is an indoors venue limited to a comparatively small attending clientel and as it is also an event of international importance cementing Munich's role as an important cultural venue it was correct to issue the permission in spite of the holiday character of the day.

Tabloids, Bayern3 radio and now Süddeutsche Zeitung as sources.

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"Das Feiertagsgesetz ist ein sehr wichtiges Gesetz, darüber sind wir uns einig mit der Kirche, wir ziehen an einem Strang", so Horst Reif als stellvertretender Kreisverwaltungsreferent. "Richtig ist aber auch, dass Artikel 5 die Regelung vorsieht, Ausnahmen zuzulassen." Eine internationale Veranstaltung dieser Größenordnung sei vergleichbar mit der Weltmeisterschaft oder der Olympiade. Schließlich werde sie in 169 Länder dieser Erde übertragen, unzählige Journalisten hätten sich bereits dafür akkreditiert, ganz zu schweigen von den Künstlern, die ihre Zimmer schon gebucht hätten.

Horst Reif, vice head of the Kreisverwaltungsreferat, agrees that the law on holidays is an important law but points out that Article 5 permits exceptions to the rule, comparing the MTV Music Awards with World Championships or the Olympics and mentioning the international importance of the event.
thefirelane
QUOTE (Hazza @ Sep 14 2007, 9:49 am) *
Another smart move by the church...Way to turn young people off religion.

Actually, I think any reason not to have the MTV awards is a good one.

(Edit: Which is right: "any reason not to have" or "any reason to not have"? Split infinitives? I'd speak the latter though)
Hazza
Personally I'm not really fussed about it. I'm not going there, I'm not going to watch it on TV, and I'm not going to any of the parties afterwards.

I just find it amusing that the church pulls shit like this and then wonders why young people aren't interested in religion anymore...
parnell
What I find amusing is people who are not , nor ever have been members of the Catholic church , seem to spend so much energy putting it down. Some would say it points to internal issues...
sarabyrd
Only when the Catholic church tells me as a non-Catholic how to live my life.
Hazza
I don't need to put the Catholic church down. I just have to point at various news articles to show it does a good enough job on its own...
thefirelane
QUOTE (parnell @ Sep 14 2007, 10:16 am) *
What I find amusing is people who are not , nor ever have been members of the Catholic church , seem to spend so much energy putting it down. Some would say it points to internal issues...

Yeah, I point out the hypocrisy of systematic cover-ups of child molestation because of my own mental deficiencies. I'm crazy like that.
parnell
QUOTE (sarabyrd @ Sep 14 2007, 10:18 am) *
Only when the Catholic church tells me as a non-Catholic how to live my life.

so you've been attending church lately then? if not how else would it "tell" you?
planetmoni
QUOTE (Hazza @ Sep 14 2007, 9:49 am) *
Way to turn young people off religion.

really?
mtv awards suck anyway (big style). it doesn't matter where they happen in europe, all host cities are interchangeable, locals don't get tickets, it doesn't add any glamour or pop culture to the place.
sarabyrd
It tells me not to dance on 1 November. Not that I have a date with John Travolta but if I feel like dancing I resent the church telling me that I must not.
parnell
@ sarabyrd
I advise you to dance on Nov 1st and see if any priests smite you... you might be surprised to learn that you are not as important as you think.
parnell
QUOTE (Hazza @ Sep 14 2007, 10:18 am) *
I don't need to put the Catholic church down.

Your endless posts on this and Mother Teresa (which was funny) provide ample evidence to suggest otherwise.

thefirelane
QUOTE (parnell @ Sep 14 2007, 10:24 am) *
@ sarabyrd
I advise you to dance on Nov 1st and see if any priests smite you... you might be surprised to learn that you are not as important as you think.

If you are going to try to argue that the catholic church (or its followers) does not try to influence political policy, this is an argument you will loose. Frankly, it is pretty stupid to try to make.
parnell
@ thefirelane

You would do me the favour of waiting until I make that or any other points before attacking that position. Kindly stay quiet until I do so.noob.
sharpe
QUOTE (thefirelane @ Sep 14 2007, 10:08 am) *
Actually, I think any reason not to have the MTV awards is a good one.

I would say any reason to turn young people off religion is a good one.
BadDoggie
Worst. Reason. EVAR!!!

The best reason to cancel them is that they completely suck. MTV has become totally irrelevant. They rarely ever play music, showing instead one poorly thought-out show after another which revels in human stupidity and general banality. As to the show itself, it's an hours-long barrage of jump cuts, made worse by the German influence. Not once does the same shot run for more than two seconds unless the camera itself is moving.

woof.
James_Runner
This should be a non-issue. The MTV awards (of questionable significance in my opinion) don't in any way prevent observant Catholics (and some Protestants, like myself) from observing All Saints Day. Likewise, the holiday shouldn't affect the MTV event. Live and let live.
thefirelane
Allow me to introduce you to the conversation:

QUOTE (sarabyrd @ Sep 14 2007, 10:18 am) *
Only when the Catholic church tells me as a non-Catholic how to live my life.

QUOTE (parnell @ Sep 14 2007, 10:21 am) *
so you've been attending church lately then ? if not how else would it "tell" you ?

QUOTE (thefirelane @ Sep 14 2007, 10:32 am) *
If you are going to try to argue that the catholic church (or its followers) does not try to influence political policy, this is an argument you will loose. Frankly, it is pretty stupid to try to make.

QUOTE (parnell @ Sep 14 2007, 10:34 am) *
You would do me the favour of waiting until I make that or any other points before attacking that position. Kindly stay quiet until I do so.noob.

You specifically stated that you didn't feel it was possible for the Catholic church to direct someone's life who doesn’t attend church. I pointed out that it was. You are implicitly making the argument I point out.

P.S. pwned!
parnell
QUOTE (BadDoggie @ Sep 14 2007, 10:38 am) *
Worst. Reason. EVAR!!!

The best reason to cancel them is that they completely suck. MTV has become totally irrelevant. They rarely ever play music, showing instead one poorly thought-out show after another which revels in human stupidity and general banality. As to the show itself, it's an hours-long barrage of jump cuts, made worse by the German influence. Not once does the same shot run for more than two seconds unless the camera itself is moving.

woof.

You clearly know the secret Catholic hand-shake , together shit television and music can be banished in full fell swoop of the crozier.
Hazza
QUOTE (planetmoni @ Sep 14 2007, 10:21 am) *
really?
mtv awards suck anyway (big style). it doesn't matter where they happen in europe, all host cities are interchangeable, locals don't get tickets, it doesn't add any glamour or pop culture to the place.

But they aren't really doing themselves any favours, are they?

And even if tickets were available for the event for locals, do you really think the church wouldn't react exactly the same way?
parnell
QUOTE (thefirelane @ Sep 14 2007, 10:40 am) *
You specifically stated that you didn't feel it was possible for the Catholic church to direct someone's life who doesn’t attend church. I pointed out that it was. You are implicitly making the argument I point out.

No I wrote "tell". Learn English. Good lad.
Hazza
When I used to own a pub, I was specifically told that I was not allowed to play ANY music on Good Friday (and told it would be a large fine if I did), because it was a Catholic quiet day.

Tell me how that wasn't the church telling me how to live my life (and run my business)
flogger
mtv cant do this. they havent paid their kirchensteuer.
boomtown_rat
well thats improved my view of the catholic church, as firelane says, any reason to get rid of that stuff is welcome

most people seem happy with the days off they get for 'religious reasons'
parnell
@ Hazza
Because it was not a priest nor any member of the Catholic church acting on behalf of the Church , but rather on behalf of the Bavarian/German state where you transacted your business informing you of your duty to conform with the law. Hope this helps.
planetmoni
QUOTE (Hazza @ Sep 14 2007, 10:42 am) *
But they aren't really doing themselves any favours, are they?

the church or religion, it's not a popularity contest. when someone is religious or decides to live life in certain way, then i would argue you base your choice on more meaningful and important things than getting pissed or going on a concert on 1 day out of 365.
boomtown_rat
QUOTE (sarabyrd @ Sep 14 2007, 9:54 am) *
comparing the MTV Music Awards with World Championships or the Olympics

oh dear blink.gif
MonksTown
QUOTE (parnell @ Sep 14 2007, 10:24 am) *
I advise you to dance on Nov 1st and see if any priests smite you...

Nope, they send the police round.
Plenty of bars and clubs have been busted on this over the years.

Damn you for being quicker Hazza! tongue.gif
thefirelane
QUOTE (parnell @ Sep 14 2007, 10:43 am) *
No I wrote "tell". Learn English. Good lad.

QUOTE (parnell @ Sep 14 2007, 10:47 am) *
@ Hazza
Because it was not a priest nor any member of the Catholic church acting on behalf of the Church , but rather on behalf of the Bavarian/German state where you transacted your business informing you of your duty to conform with the law. Hope this helps.

This is mind-blowingly awesome.

Let me see if I understand this correctly. Law X is passed due to lobbying by the Catholic Church (either directly to politicians, or through influence of members)

I am breaking law X. The police are the ones that come and “tell� me to stop. Since it wasn’t specifically a priest who showed up and told me to stop, in your mind, the Catholic Church isn’t “telling� me how to live.

Awesome.
Hazza
QUOTE (boomtown_rat @ Sep 14 2007, 10:46 am) *
well thats improved my view of the catholic church, as firelane says, any reason to get rid of that stuff is welcome
most people seem happy with the days off they get for 'religious reasons'

you think we wouldn't have any days off if there was no religion - and that we'd work 7 days a week? I'm quite confident we'd still have exactly the same number of holidays.

QUOTE (parnell @ Sep 14 2007, 10:47 am) *
@ Hazza
Because it was not a priest nor any member of the Catholic church acting on behalf of the Church , but rather on behalf of the Bavarian/German state where you transacted your business informing you of your duty to conform with the law. Hope this helps.

So you don't think that this directive ultimately comes from the Catholic church??
Eleanor Rigby
This stuff always makes me laugh. Poor, poor backwards Germany, still lets the big scary church bully it around. Even the neighbouring countries can see how ridiculous such laws are but one can only hope that one day she'll see the light.
parnell
QUOTE (MonksTown @ Sep 14 2007, 10:49 am) *
Nope, they send the police round.
Plenty of bars and clubs have been busted on this over the years.

Damn you for being quicker Hazza!

Agents of the law , presumably you support that?
Sin
QUOTE (BadDoggie @ Sep 14 2007, 10:38 am) *
The best reason to cancel them is that they completely suck. MTV has become totally irrelevant. They rarely ever play music, showing instead one poorly thought-out show after another which revels in human stupidity and general banality. As to the show itself, it's an hours-long barrage of jump cuts, made worse by the German influence. Not once does the same shot run for more than two seconds unless the camera itself is moving.

I'm with the dog on this one. MTV is just total wank. Bit like the Kafflick church.
parnell
QUOTE (Hazza @ Sep 14 2007, 10:51 am) *
you think we wouldn't have any days off if there was no religion - and that we'd work 7 days a week? I'm quite confident we'd still have exactly the same number of holidays.

Kindly post examples of countries with no Catholic background which have precisely the same number of holidays.

QUOTE (Hazza @ Sep 14 2007, 10:51 am) *
So you don't think that this directive ultimately comes from the Catholic church??

I imagine that you are well aware it ultimately comes from the people who occupy this state and who supported your business , who happened to be , by and large Catholics. Democracy you might call it.
Eleanor Rigby
Is there such thing as freedom of religion in Germany? What happens if my religion dictates that I have to dance on All Saints Day?
Eleanor Rigby
QUOTE (parnell @ Sep 14 2007, 10:53 am) *
Kindly post examples of countries with no Catholic background which have precisely the same number of holidays.

Canada, specifically Alberta has even more plus if any holiday falls on a weekend, you get the Monday after off in lieu.
MonksTown
It's a balance innit MrP. I DO support public holidays, natch.
Most people I know want to go out on the lash before a public holiday and then sleep it off.
But the whole point of this holiday is about rmembering the dead.

On balance the KVR has probably got it right this time and it's NOT very often I say that! laugh.gif

The church is just muck raking.
BadDoggie
QUOTE (Eleanor Rigby @ Sep 14 2007, 10:55 am) *
Canada, specifically Alberta has even more plus if any holiday falls on a weekend, you get the Monday after off in lieu.

Oh, SNAP!

woof.
parnell
@ ER
I imagine that , if you do within the confines of your house , that you may escape prosecution. For my part I'd grant you a Papal pardon , however please remember that "dancing" does not equate to "dry-fucking" and should bear some resemblance to the word "elegant". thx.
Hazza
QUOTE (parnell @ Sep 14 2007, 10:53 am) *
I imagine that you are well aware it ultimately comes from the people who occupy this state and who supported your business , who happened to be , by and large Catholics. Democracy you might call it.

Supported...hahahahahahahaha...I could have done much better without the "support" of the local authorities - especially when they tell you not to have music on certain days...

You'll also find that the concept of democracy is much, much older than Catholisism - and has nothing to do with it
MonksTown
QUOTE (parnell @ Sep 14 2007, 10:53 am) *
Kindly post examples of countries with no Catholic background which have precisely the same number of holidays.

I did a study last year comparing Bavaria and England.
In England if a holiday falls on a weekend you get it on the Monday and in Bavaria you just lose it.
The data I loked at it turned out that Bavaria in fact only had 1 more day a year over time or something.
Eleanor Rigby
QUOTE (parnell @ Sep 14 2007, 10:57 am) *
@ ER
I imagine that , if you do within the confines of your house , that you may escape prosecution. For my part I'd grant you a Papal pardon , however please remember that "dancing" does not equate to "dry-fucking" and should bear some resemblance to the word "elegant". thx.

I thought sex was allowed, just music and dancing is taboo?
parnell
QUOTE (Eleanor Rigby @ Sep 14 2007, 10:55 am) *
Canada, specifically Alberta has even more plus if any holiday falls on a weekend, you get the Monday after off in lieu.

Now really I do not wish to be the one to post up a definition of "exactly" to demonstrate how this is beside the point. That would be pedantic. Even for me. On a Friday.
Hazza
Why does god care so much if you dance and sing on a particular day anyway?

If he does, he's a prick...
sarabyrd
Only for procreative reasons, ER, not for fun.
sharpe
QUOTE (Hazza @ Sep 14 2007, 10:59 am) *
Why does god care so much if you dance and sing on a particular day anyway?

If he does, he's a prick...

You are talking about someone who throws people in flames, watch them burn and asking why he cares about you singing?
Hazza
QUOTE (parnell @ Sep 14 2007, 10:59 am) *
Now really I do not wish to be the one to post up a definition of "exactly" to demonstrate how this is beside the point. That would be pedantic. Even for me. On a Friday.

Nice one - way to go...only losers of an argument start getting pedantic on points.

You'll find that countries that are/were officially atheist (former communist countries spring to mind) also have/had their share of holidays
parnell
QUOTE (Hazza @ Sep 14 2007, 10:58 am) *
Supported...hahahahahahahaha...I could have done much better without the "support" of the local authorities - especially when they tell you not to have music on certain days...

I write "people" , you write "authorities" , if you cannot distinguish between the two then perhaps we should start with the alphabet.

QUOTE (Hazza @ Sep 14 2007, 10:58 am) *
You'll also find that the concept of democracy is much, much older than Catholisism - and has nothing to do with it

Age implies what exactly oh sage? Cannibalism is much older than Catholicism , what's your point exactly?
Eleanor Rigby
QUOTE (parnell @ Sep 14 2007, 10:59 am) *
Now really I do not wish to be the one to post up a definition of "exactly" to demonstrate how this is beside the point. That would be pedantic. Even for me. On a Friday.

Sorry, I don't understand this point, can you clarify?
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