Zeitgeist - The Movie

Two hour documentary with comments and opinions about religion, astrology, politics, economics and the struggle for power.
Really worth to watch.
Take your time to watch it and comment here please.

Zeitgeist Movie

This is a movie that I think everyone would watch. It is free to watch & download. Wondering what other people might think of it...

The connection with tt? The film has a German name. That's about it.

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/


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I agree. Every human being on the planet should see this film and then do sufficient, NOT-ON-THE-INTERNET research. This means going to the library and perhaps purchasing scholarly research articles but it would be worth it.

I am buying 12 copies of the DVD and sending to family and friends immediately. Especially my Christian family members.

If 911truth was like Gillette Sensor, then Zeitgeist is like Wilkinson Quattro. Looking forward to Fusion.

A most interesting film. But for everything that rings true in it, there's something else which doesn't.

Is the film very new? There's not even a Wikipedia article on it yet, and it's not on imdb either. Or is that part of the conspiracy too?


What makes library research better than Internet research? If there _is_ some sort of conspiracy to keep this information hidden from the people, surely the Internet is the best way for dissenters to spread word of it (e.g. this film)?

Interesting: in Firefox, if I type "we are grateful" into my google search box, the quote from rockefeller comes up as the first suggested search. Apparently it's quite a popular search, although I hadn't heard it before.

The website states that the film intends "to inspire people to start looking at the world from a more critical perspective". That certainly means that you also shouldn't take the contents of the film for granted.

interesting and thought provoking of partly crap.

thanks for the heads up

anything to crack through the surface of the religious brainwashing that's been going on for thousands of years

the only way humans are gonna survive is to kill their gods and figure out how to look reality straight in the face without some platonic sugar coating

maybe it's anonymously released because they want people to simply watch the movie and think for themselves, rather than providing a target of association for the opposition to glom onto. for example a lot of michael moore's stuff is quite valid but his opponents attacked his own character as much as they did the movie

the anonymity of zeitgeist is brilliant innovation

Just spent two hours watching this. My head hasn't exploded yet, but I'm being careful not to shake it around too much just to be on the safe side. I don't actually know what else to say.

Yes, fascinating...and frightening too. I just finished watching all three parts myself. Much of what was covered I already know (the 911 conspiracies, the one world government, the Judeo-Christian parallels to Egyptian mythology, etc.), but there was plenty of other stuff in this film that intrigued me.

The transcript for the first part is available here: Part One: The Greatest Story Ever Told.

This shit is the most intellectually bankrupt material ever produced. Do yourself a favor and watch a real Zeitgeist Film.

Difficult to get excited by that one - under "About the Film" there are six subtitles and no content within each! Or perhaps that's an accurate description of the film?

That's it. I'm becoming a banker. Where do I sign up?Mwhahaha!

I just finished watching Zeitgeist and I feel a bit like GG. It gave me so many new things to think about, that I'm a bit gobsmacked. There are plenty of things in the movie I already knew to be true. I'd read the epic of Gilgamesh in college, for instance, so I already knew that the biblical story of Noah's ark had been lifted directly from that much earlier work. The only real difference was the God in the stories. Already an atheist, the other information on all the similarities of religions didn't surprise me much either.

The part that sticks in my craw is the incredible conspiracy necessary for the Federal reserve to have pulled off 9/11 as a means to incite fear, start profitable wars and erode our civil liberties. How could that be possible? How could so many people agree and conspire to such an evil plan? Impossible. But then, there is a lot of evidence that so much has been withheld and covered up. By the Bush administration, by the CIA. How did those buildings free fall like that, straight down, as if pulled down by a perfectly controlled demolition? How? And where was all the plane wreckage at the Pentagon? Bodies, but no plane parts? Very weird, yes. But what does that prove? We saw the planes go into the towers, at least. We know they did. So the lack of wreckage there can only be explained by the mountain of rubble that fell on them. But the Pentagon? I just don't know. And there are more than enough other inconsistencies in the official version to make you wonder. They don't amount to proof of anything, as far as I can see, but definitely enough to make you wonder, and know that something is very fishy about a lot of it, and it all does seem to lead back to the men who make the profit on it all.

So I still have a lot of questions, and I'll be watching for evidence. I think it's worth seeing just for that. It will make you think outside of the accepted version of events.

I'm off to check out the history of the Federal Reserve.

I found confirmation of this information in the film from Wikipedia:


This part I found in Wikipedia bothers me quite a lot:

"Our insanity is a perfectly natural adjustment to our environment"

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/742166/the_s...nfoil_hat_lady/

Thanks for that video, zemonkey. It looks like the tinfoil hat lady isn't so crazy after all.

Interview with Peter Joseph, creator of Zeitgeist, The Movie, on Revolution Radio (June 28th, 2007):

Further research has turned up:
Max burn temperature of jet fuel = 980°C
Min melt temperature of steel = 1370°C
...

I have found another explanation for the steel of the towers melting, called a eutectic reaction:


Apparently, the needed sulfur for a eutectic reaction to have happened could have been provided by acid rain and the burning of the plastics, etc, inside the building.
Does anyone here know anything about eutectic reactions?

Kat, I think TT already did the steel melting conversation pretty thoroughly. The topic is closed now, but you might wanna take a look here: 9/11 was an inside job. There are quite a few other 9/11 conspiracy theory topics on TT if you want to search for them.

I actually found the WTC bit of Zeitgeist to be pretty dull; most of it was just rehashing of old conspiracy theories that have been done to death in films like Loose Change. Not much (if any) new info there. And as I intimated earlier, the last thing I wanna do is start another TT discussion on that topic -- and I emphatically do NOT believe there is a 9/11 conspiracy or cover-up.

I did however enjoy the film's bits on Christianity and the Federal Reserve. While I'm not accepting any of it as 'TRUTH', it did indeed get me looking at things from a different perspective. I think a lot of what the movie covers has actually been around the Internet for years, and some of it has been around in various places for decades, if not hundreds of years. This is just one of the first films to put it all together in once place. And while I'm generally a tough sell on conspiracy theories, I think it's interesting to know what sort of theories are floating around out there and to have the whole New World Order idea put together in one easy-to-understand, semi-coherent format.

Bottom line: Zeitgeist is entertaining, if nothing else. It's the mother of all conspiracy theory movies. And if it gets people thinking and researching and questioning, well that's always a good thing.

Thanks GG. Drivin'West's post #40 on that thread pretty much cleared up my remaining doubts on how the buildings came down. Phew. A controlled demolition of the WTC towers was one conspiracy theory I really hated considering.
Edit: I do think that those who shouted 'LOONEY!' at those who considered the conspiracy theories before rejecting them to be absolute tools.

For me the post really didn't clear up the issue. I find exaggerations and leaps in logic within the post. I also continue to find the idea that these towers were brought down with purpose within the realms of logic and the presentable evidence.


Nice to hear considered logic for once...

It is also true that many people have an outright fear of considering the idea that their government would purposefully do them harm. However, these institutions have repeatedly proven that they have what it takes to follow their own agendas at the expense of someone else's life.

To the topic at hand...

Zeitgeist has some interesting points...

I hope this topic does not get closed by some over zealous moderator high on a power binge! (God forbid meaningful topics would be discussed).

Well I learned plenty about the Federal Reserve that I had never known before. I'm now interested in learning more about the institution behind the Euro. Does anyone know anything about that? Any similarities? Links?

Am watching it now. Halfway through, fascinating stuff as I love a good conspiracy theory.

Now, I´m really depressed, I was really miserable today already, but that has put the cap on it.

Poor Renia. I know what you mean. But I've decided the 9/11 part just doesn't make sense, and that's the part that's the biggest downer. The religion and fed reserve parts look pretty much on the mark though. Try to feel empowered.

I agree with you Kat about the middle bit being a bit iffy, but I still don´t like this feeling I have now of being a dumbed down puppet, and I will be sure as hell my kids are taught to think for themselves.

My husband has been paranoid for sometime about government record keeping/internet/banking.

I just finished watching a documentary called "Zeitgeist", http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5...hHpje2ALLuOzKAw

It's points on Religion where some I had never heard before, but by far seemed the most correct. It's research of 9/11 seemed to follow inline with others I've seen, with added information. It's review of the Federal Bank and the similarities it portrays between the early 1900 economic crash and today's United States economic crash are staggering.

For those who have seen it, what are your views? For those who have not seen it, please take the time to, then respond here.

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Thoroughly, completely and utterly debunked. Most insidious was the interspersing of occasional facts among all the lies, even in the first part about religion.

woof.

I have not done my own research on every part of this documentary, but obviously either have you. Did you even read the first link you sent beyond the first post? Im only 4 pages in and way more people are slamming the original poster than agreeing with. Lets here your point of view not just a regurgitation of anothers. I asked for YOUR views.

His bark is worse than his bite. But seriously a-n-u how can you be taking this blah-blah movie seriously??? South Park is where the truth's at.

yawn.

I don't have the time to do a full debunking of the lies that film has -- my employer unfortunately has the nerve to demand I put in a few hours a day doing company-related stuff. Yes, the first link goes to a forum where a bunch of conspiracy theory nuts posted; see the second link ("utterly") for the detailed debunking, complete with full references.

woof.

As a Bright i am not really concerned with the religious stuff. I just don't buy it plain and simple, but what was shown "seemed" logical" if true. But as for the 9/11 and Federal Bank stuff, c'mon how can you "yawn" this is not just a US think. It has global effects.


As i said, the religion stuff is not for me, but I'm always interested in all sides, so I will review both links thoroughly.


"Those who do not believe in concpiracy theory are those who have never looked into them."
- Unknown

False statement. I'm interested in the theory, but not the practice.

Can you point out lies in Part 2 or 3? I know time is not something you have a lot of, but I'd like to challenge your thought here. Please send your favorite points not links...yet.

i thought it was a good movie for the context of a super low budget and the way in which it was released on the net. i had already done some research on the origins of xianity, so none of that was new to me, however george carlin has been one of my favorite comedians ever since i was a kid, so it was cool to see his stuff in there.

of course there are a lot of people who would disagree with what the movie says. and it's hard to know everything about 911. how can we since the first thing they did was cut up all the wreckage and haul it off to the junkyard without a proper investigation.

i can see the rfid chips coming, and the dependency on a networked society for most people within our lifetime. i had known about the project for a new american century several years ago, and that clarified the 'zeitgeist' of the bush administration to me, and so it was possible to conceive that they had something to do with permitting 911 to happen the way it did. (interestingly the pnac went offline on 7 july)

i think there will always be a way to stay ahead of the death machine. for as much as the world shrinks, it will also fragment and the opportunity to live in smaller enclaves will present itself for those who prefer not to end up in a cattle wagon. but most people are really so submissive that they will follow the path of least resistance.

zizek stated that the biggest tragedy of the abu ghraib torture is not just that it happened (because it happens all the time anyway, the crushing of testicles and humiliation of political prisoners) but that the subject of torture is being discussed in such casual ways as it is (ie, what constitutes torture and how to redefine torture so that people will permit it to happen under different contextualization)

in this sense the real issues are not whether everything in the movie is "true" as truth is subjective in certain cases, but the ways in which people react to such ideas as it presents. for someone to just blow it all off, to me betrays a willful ignorance...

krostitzer - great post.

Didn't know this. Will have to do some research. You have any idea whats up?

not really... you might check out Enron - Smartest Guys in the Room if you haven't already... that movie really pissed me off, to see how they just fucked california.

Its two down in my cue. Right after "Control Room".

The more we see, the more we learn, the more we react, the more we win....

Part two.
Part three.

READ you fucking monkey. Someone has already done the research and I'm not going to copy all his extensive work into a post on this site. That's what hyperlinks were invented for.


And most of what was in that film was lies as well. You'd be hard-pressed to find a more anti-religion athiest on this site or even on the intartubes, but I not only won't promote a pack of lies no matter how closely it reflects my point of view, I will call it out for the bullshit that it is. There's enough to condemn religion already without resorting to lies.

and it's hard to know everything about 911
Only if you're willing to ignore people who are knowledgeable in all the various fields of knowledge necessary to understand what happened, from aviation to construction engineering. Yes it's easy for a layman not to understand or to be overwhelmed and misled but all the experts have busted every single fucking conspiracy hypothesis out there. Every. Single. One. It requires -- among other things -- a slight bit of knowledge about building materials; sheer strengths, demolition and architecture. I've already posted my debunking of all of DJ Crazy's bullshit.

the first thing they did was cut up all the wreckage and haul it off to the junkyard without a proper investigation.
WTF? It WAS investigated. For three fucking years.

I'm with you on the torture though, and wringing my hands in the hopes that all the scum will be delivered to the Hague to stand trial for war crimes. And found guilty. And hung.

woof.

jeez, you're a condescending asshole. go learn how to have a civilized discussion. oh wait, you're bad doggie and that's all you're about, woof woof. piss off.

i won't even bother with you.

What economic crash? Hell, according to the definition of recession the US isn't in one.

Wow dude you really have bad social skills. Would you have said that to my face? I doubt since it's easier to behind a keyboard. But after researching your activity on this site and seeing how rude you are to MANY other posters on TT, what else should I expect. For the sake of humanity, please be nicer to me, the next person, and yourself. If you do, your words will be better received and your points more trusted. Right now all i can think is how much i don't want to believe you because of your tone.

Sending me 4000+ word article (Part Two) written by a site that tries very hard to cover their tracks about who they are as hard as they can gives me little faith. Did you read the article? Did you happen to notice all the blatant grasps of reality in the writing. Also the many references to being "just a coincidence". Websites like this do little to sway me. They are a good read, that's it.

Next your gonna point me to the 9/11 commission report for facts. I tried listening to that book on MP3. I really think it was intentionally made to be as boring as possible. I didn't finish it. And from Zeitgeist and other info i have read/seen, im glad i didn't. My assumption is many non scholars also failed to finish it.

As i asked from you... what are your specific points that you believe are not true? Let's debate points not the topic in whole. Can you debate?

Ok here is one for you. Are you a believer that the WTC (1&2) where brought down by planes hitting the towers? 9/11 commission report says the fires brought on by jet fuel caused the steel to become structurally unstable. Causing a "pancake" collapsing effect... at the rate of free fall... exactly the same way for 3 buildings. Every play Jenga? I have never seen the blocks fall the same way twice! And how does Jet Fuel which is basically Kerosene which burns in open air at roughly less than 500-C melt steel / weaken 1+ inch rivets enough to collapse the building.. again the same in WTC 1&2. Why did WTC 3 fall? A few small fires? OK now im totally confused.. Why doesn't my BBQ that has roughly 2000-C burning propane not melt the 1/8 steel grate that holds my meat? Now im no scientist but i cant wrap my head around that one.

Correct. By definition the US is not. But the definition was also set in the 20's before there was massive debt spread across the nation. The fact is you cannot deny that unemployment is very high, debt is high, home foreclosure is increasing at an alarming rate, and in the past 30 days like 20+ banks have been cobbled up by the Federal Reserve. My last point is so strikingly similar to what Zeitgeist showed in the film that took place in 1929 (date may be incorrect.). regardless of definition, the US is in financial trouble.

Check out http://www.trendsresearch.com, and/or watch YouTube vids on "Gerald Celente". He is a really smart economic trends forecaster.

Thank you, I think this 4 year-old level of understanding of physics speaks for itself. I really thought for a while about the truly best way to point out how stupid this is, but I was at a loss. Anything I wrote paled in comparison to these sentences themselves. Please continue. I look forward to further lectures on how your studies of paper airplanes prove supersonic travel simply isn't possible.

im not a physicist, scientist (not at least in this realm), biologist, or engineer. The Jenga reference was purely visual, OBVIOUSLY balsa wood Jenga blocks are not steel and concrete. The BBQ reference was just a thought i had heard that "seemed" to make sense and with a little learning of burn and melt research "seemed" even more logical. So how about some counterpoint besides my 4 year-old level understandings. How can buildings fall at demolition speed and visual? How can the science of chemical burn rate and steel melt rate be challenged?

Not my studies, but supersonic travel with a paper airplane is possible.

Seems like the TT gods wanted to merge my post with an older one of the same topic. Great idea.

For those who are interested in more Zeitgeist like documentaries, try Loose Change.